APEX DUTY CARRY RUINED MY MP 9C HELP!

[marathonrunner]

Guys, I have always gotten great advice from this forum. I bought a MP Compact 9mm and I hated the hinged trigger. It was awful and my groups were terrible. I bought the Apex Duty Carry enhancement along with the aluminum trigger. I ended up having to return the aluminum trigger because the pita pin would not move, thus I was unable to connect the trigger bar. I then bought the "glock like" polymer version but now even after doing the trigger mod where you sand trigger, the trigger still catches on frame. To make things worse, I ended up gouging the inside of my frame, now I have to buy a new frame. I doubt SW will warranty that and my delima now is, do I cut my losses and just throw this pistol away, have it destroyed or do I buy a new frame, and put everything back to stock? I don't want to spend anymore money on this gun as it is a piece of ****. I should have bought the Glock 19 and now I totally regret it. I just don't know what direction to go. It seems the apex will not work in this gun either. The darn safe action like glock feature keeps getting hooked on frame. It won't if I am very careful to completely press the trigger to disengage it. I am even thinking about removing that dumb safety all together.

 

[Llando88]

1. Sell your M&P for market price in current condition.

2. Buy a Glock 19. It's a fine pistol.

 

[RobzGuns]

Call CS, get the frame replaced and ask them if you put all the original parts in the box with the frame, if they'd reassemble it.
Since they seem to require people to send the entire firearm to replace minor parts, My guess is that they'd probably WANT you to ship all available parts, so that they could ensure that the firearm was assembled properly.

Once you get it back, sell it and get the Glock.

 

[marathonrunner]

I will probably do that. I did the same mod to my Shield using the aluminum trigger and it works great. Unfortunately not so well with the 9c.

 

[S&W Fan]

Wow, sorry to hear about this. I had the Duty/Carry kit installed in the 9C I had, no problems. Wanted to sell the Compact to get a Full Size, armorer pulled the Apex kit out, put in the standard parts. When I got the full size the armorer installed the same kit in it, absolutely no problems.

Hope you get it worked out.

 

[mafbloggerdanny]

im curious as to how this could happen? can you post pics? if anyone else out there is considering attempting to install these parts themselves they might want to know how to avoid having something like this happen to them

 

[marathonrunner]

pics

im curious as to how this could happen? can you post pics? if anyone else out there is considering attempting to install these parts themselves they might want to know how to avoid having something like this happen to them

The Duty Carry kit works perfect no problems to speak of. Where the wheels fall off is when you try to replace the stock trigger. The Aluminum trigger, there is a "pita" pin that has to be hammered down and it connects the bar connector to trigger. Unfortunately some are easy to hammer in, others require you to put trigger in vice and squeeze it down. Trying to do that without putting dents in trigger good luck! The polymer trigger version is simple and easy to attach, unfortunately, even doing the "bar loop mod" as instructed, the "glock like action safety"still catches on the frame. Yes I did also do the using a fine file to shave off the opposite end of trigger where it butts up against front frame, the safety still catches on the frame, thus instead of getting a smooth pull, it catches and won't release until your finger is square on the trigger. Never had this happen with any of my glocks. I have no choice but to put the stock trigger back in and that hinged trigger really awful. My shield went fine and the aluminum works great. No hangups period. Way better than my glock. but this has been a disappointment. Someone else from another thread said the polymer trigger was designed for the FSS model of apex. I will never buy another Apex product again. I had my Glock triggers replaced with aftermarket, so much simpler. I would not advise anybody to attempt this mod with the 9c. I would send it directly to apex and have them do it. There is so many ways you can screw up. For instance, the duty carry comes with a sear spring that you replace with the OEM. but when you replace the trigger with the polymer, you have to use the sear spring that comes with that one to replace the sear spring you just did with the duty carry. also, getting the front lock block is a nightmare and does not go in and out easily. also, the slave pin is another nightmare and will take many attempts to get it to line up. I wiggled trigger assembly, moved it back and forth, still difficult.

 

[HeavyDuty Ken]

After reading your Apex difficulties here and elsewhere I suspect the issue is something with you, not the gun or parts. After you jammed a FS/Compact Apex kit into your Shield and wondered why the slave pin was so long, you should have turned your guns over to a 'smith for the remaining work. Sorry to be blunt, but it's the truth.

I have Apex poly triggers in three guns, and they all work fine. And yes, Glocks are sensitive to finger placement, too.

 

[vipermd]

I agree with you do not buy any apex products, let your gunsmith buy them and put them in correctly. S & W owes you nothing, you made the mistakes then compounded them, leave installation to someone who knows how to do it correctly. I have some very specialized skills, gunsmithing is not one of them, I have learned some expensive lessons and now so have you. DIY is great if you have the tools and knowledge, but my " gunsmithing" goes to my gunsmith. Glock triggers are designed to have your finger " square" on it. Be Safe,

 

[AGoyette]

I have 2 9c's and I have installed the duty carry kit and polymer triggers on both. No filing needed on either one. As a matter of fact the only M&P that possibly needed filing was the husbands Pro that I put the FSS kit in with the aluminum trigger. I took it apart to take photos for Apex and when I put it back together, suddenly the issue was 90% gone. I don't know what I did differently, but something was different. I prefer the polymer triggers over the aluminum triggers. As stated above, the pin on the aluminum triggers is a royal pain to get to move. The polymer trigger is much easier. Also, the triggers that are with the FSS kits are different than the other Apex triggers. We bought a CORE that had the competition kit in and had issues with it. I bought the FSS kit to replace the competition kit. I called Apex to ask if I could use the Apex polymer trigger that was already installed and I was told, No, the ones with the FSS kit are slightly different and are designed to be used with the FSS sear, etc. that really changes the timing on the gun. I now have installed 2 DCAEK kits, 2 polymer triggers, and 3 FSS kits. I have not had the issues you have had. I will agree that the slave pin is a pain, but that is on the gun, lining everything up. It would be a whole lot worse without the slave pin. I end up using a punch and moving it around in the hole to line everything up. It seems to help.

 

[Arik]

Maybe find a local gunsmith to do the trigger?!

I wouldn't worry too much about the gouge in the frame unless it's ginormous and effects function somehow. My carry gun has gouges everywhere from years of carrying and doing random stuff.

 

[Hillbilly77]

now I have to buy a new frame.

The frame is the serial-numbered part of the gun. If you can find a new frame, it will probably require an FFL transfer & a new NICS check.

I ended up gouging the inside of my frame,

.....it is a piece of ****

That is not the gun's fault.
The gun isn't a "piece of ****" because you did a modification that damaged the gun.

I doubt SW will warranty that

The warranty doesn't cover damage caused by unauthorized modifications. Technically, you voided the warranty as soon as you installed Apex parts.

I bought a MP Compact 9mm and I hated the hinged trigger.....

I then bought the "glock like" polymer version....

I don't want to spend anymore money on this gun as it is a piece of ****.

I should have bought the Glock 19 and now I totally regret it.

....safe action like glock feature

It sounds like you bought an M&P expecting it to be a Glock.
If you expect a gun to be a Glock, you should buy a Glock.
The gun isn't a "piece of ****" - you simply bought the wrong gun.

It seems the apex will not work in this gun either.

I'm wondering if you installed the Apex kit properly?
I have installed Apex parts in three different M&P pistols (a FS40, a 9c, & a 9Shield) and never had a problem with any of it.

 

[cciman]

User error vs. "stinking *** gun problem".

I agree with previous posters that the parts user is suspect.

I've installed both the DAEK and the polymer trigger kit- neither were hard to install, and fit fine, without any need to modify the trigger or frame for the trigger to work normally. There is a disclaimer in the instructions that suggest professional help.

Very unethical to modify the gun, damage the frame and expect SW to replace it under warranty.

I suggest putting the original parts back in, test function, and trade for a G19 if it still works. Or send it to SW, and have them replace factory parts, and test gun, and send back the Apex parts.

Unethical to sell the trigger at this point, but you can sell the DAEK.

 

[OldLawman]

I have installed the carry kit in several Shields, with no problem. When I tried to install the aluminum trigger, it was difficult. The I saw that Apex also sells a little fixture to hold the trigger while driving out the pin. Works perfectly.
I actually switched back to the polymer factory trigger, as I did not like the sharp edges on the inner piece of the trigger, It needs to be beveled slightly.

 

[marathonrunner]

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Well my Shied was difficult but after installing the aluminum trigger along with duty carry it was perfect. The polymer a different story and some do require frame mods or trigger mods, others don't. Some require trigger loop mod, others don't. I will be for future reference, let the gunsmiths do it.

I am going to go back to Glock pistols. They are just better guns and shoot better than MP's. My Shield I love and it shoots better than my Glock's but the 9C, I just don't know which way I want to run with it.

If I leave the duty carry kit installed, I will have to go back to the stock hinged trigger as the polymer clearly will not work. Yes it works but it catches and that can be annoying. I am expecting a smooth trigger, not one that will hesitate because it catches. If I go back to stock hinged, then the gun will only be marginally better than stock. If I retain the apex polymer, it will only be good for plinking. I could never carry something for protection that may not work. I could also remove the safety off the polymer and it will function like the stock trigger, only for sure I will never be able to use this for defense. Then again, I am considering going back to stock and then trade it in and cut my losses. I also had a problem with my Gun smoke edition Deep wyatt under cover .38. revolver. When I got it, it would bind every 10 shots and lock up. Then I accidently dropped it and it got worse from there. Never again will I buy a smith after this.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Amazing. You abuse/modify a gun and the gun is a *** because it doesn't work?

When you come to the realization the you are the problem, I think you will have better luck with guns.

And I got news for ya, almost all triggers are hinged or pivot in the some manner. Off the top of my head, only the 1911 trigger is different.

 

[marathonrunner]

I am sorry if I offended anybody who owns a SW. I am just frustrated that things went south for me. If the SW was anything like a Glock I would have never modified it but the triggers on MP's are awful. My shield is the exception but only after I spent dollars to get it tricked out. Now I got the best of both worlds, a gun that has great ergonomics, is smaller than Glock and now shoots just as well. Wish I could say same about 9c.

 

[vipermd]

You are missing the point. Whether I like sw,ruger,glock,colt,etc is not based on anything you say! It is YOUR fault, not S&W, that you damaged the gun, if you did not like the trigger, do not buy it! If you are unable to put an aftermarket part in correctly, get someone who can, but do not disparage any product/company due to your inability to do it correctly. Be Safe,

 

[NCW Ray]

Just curious, how many days of handgun shooting and gunsmithing do you have under your belt?

You've already posted your solution to your problem and I quote "I am going to go back to Glock pistols."

As for your piece of **** 9c, post it up for sale in the for sale section with detailed photos...heck you might be able to get a few bucks for it "to cut your losses" if you haven't botched it up too much.

 

[Watchdog]

I am sorry if I offended anybody who owns a SW...If the SW was anything like a Glock I would have never modified it but the triggers on MP's are awful.

You're sorry, but you continue to razz on Smiths? Okay.