APEX DUTY CARRY RUINED MY MP 9C HELP!

[Watchdog]

As for your piece of **** 9c, post it up for sale in the for sale section with detailed photos...heck you might be able to get a few bucks for it "to cut your losses" if you haven't botched it up too much.

Best laugh I've had all day so far. Thanks for that. If you stick your head out the window, you can probably still hear me laughing.

 

[marathonrunner]

Someone mentioned and agreed the slave pin was difficult. On the Shield, I found a sure way to get it to line up. I found that inserting with the slave pin first, into the lock block, then inserting the unit as a whole but making sure the slave pin is not aligned with the holes. Then once I get the lock block seated which it goes in like butter, then I hold the trigger and I start to eye both left and right side. Once I do that, then I insert the pin and with a gentle touch, I am able to get it to line up perfectly. However, the sear housing block on the Shield is a witch to get in. The 9c is easy but regardless how careful you are, the polymer section where the sear block sits, it gets nicks and gouges. I guess there is no way of avoiding that but it bugs me because any nicks or gouges I feel can create an unsafe condition as the sear I am thinking can eventually pop out. Myabe I am just overthinking.

 

[TYSTYX]

I think you should give up gunsmithing all together :/

 

[AGoyette]

Marathonrunner,
I was the one who mentioned the slave pin. Putting it in the block is the easy part. It does it job well and holds everything in place like it is supposed to. Pushing it out with the pin, then it can get to be a pain. You are supposed to put the slave pin in before you install the trigger block. It is there to hold the trigger return spring in place.

 

[PAFMAN3]

After reading your Apex difficulties here and elsewhere I suspect the issue is something with you, not the gun or parts. After you jammed a FS/Compact Apex kit into your Shield and wondered why the slave pin was so long, you should have turned your guns over to a 'smith for the remaining work. Sorry to be blunt, but it's the truth.

I have Apex poly triggers in three guns, and they all work fine. And yes, Glocks are sensitive to finger placement, too.

I installed the poly trigger kit with no issues.

sounds like user error

 

[marathonrunner]

ok, well let me ask anybody this who has worked on the 9c. I still have the problem of the polymer trigger catching on the frame. I did the mod that apex told me to do which is take a fine grit sandpaper and sand the front of the trigger face where it contacts the front frame. that improved it where I can now shoot the gun, but unless my finger pad is square on trigger, it will catch. As long as I am square on trigger, it never catches but my Glock pistols and even the shield does not do that. I can be off center and does not catch. Does anybody have another way of remeding this/

 

[Hillbilly77]

ok, well let me ask anybody this who has worked on the 9c. I still have the problem of the polymer trigger catching on the frame. I did the mod that apex told me to do which is take a fine grit sandpaper and sand the front of the trigger face where it contacts the front frame. that improved it where I can now shoot the gun, but unless my finger pad is square on trigger, it will catch. As long as I am square on trigger, it never catches but my Glock pistols and even the shield does not do that. I can be off center and does not catch. Does anybody have another way of remeding this/

First....

STOP COMPARING YOUR M&P TO A GLOCK. IT IS NOT A GLOCK.
Like I posted earlier, if you want your gun to be a Glock, you have to buy an actual Glock.

Second, at this point, I recommend that you re-install the factory trigger and make sure that the factory trigger functions properly.
As long as the whole trigger mechanism still works, maybe try more of the fix Apex suggests.

You said that some sanding made it better.
Would more sanding make it even better-er?

 

[Pef]

Sooooo....you buy a replacement action kit for your M&P 9c, then gouge the frame while swapping and replacing parts, and the gun is a piece of doody. Oh, and the M&P is not a Glock.

Gotcha.

 

[Doug M.]

I don't recall ever hearing of a problem with APEX parts in the M&P line. At all. While the "reset" upsets some, I know of no trainer in the field who advocates shooting to the reset - that is a target shooting based training scar and needs to be overcome.

From what I am seeing here, you made an error making a change that was not likely needed, then damaged stuff trying to address the error. I have found that my best gunsmithing tool is a check, and that is often true of many of us. The first step might have been to try to ascertain just what if anything was wrong with the pistol as it was. As said above, just about all modern pistol triggers are hinged, so I cannot see what the issue was with that aspect of the M&P. Most of the reports I have seen from the LE/hard use community indicate that the inherent accuracy of the 9C is at least as good if not better than the full size.

While it may have been facetious, I think there is a lot of value to the suggestion of offering it for sale here, and posting lots of pictures.

 

[Kanewpadle]

I am sorry if I offended anybody who owns a SW. I am just frustrated that things went south for me. If the SW was anything like a Glock I would have never modified it but the triggers on MP's are awful. My shield is the exception but only after I spent dollars to get it tricked out. Now I got the best of both worlds, a gun that has great ergonomics, is smaller than Glock and now shoots just as well. Wish I could say same about 9c.

I really don't think you have offended anyone so don't worry about that.

Sorry to be so blunt. Just the way I'm am. I feel the obvious must to be pointed out.

Sounds to me like you're not really quite sure what kind of gun you want. That's understandable. Instead of wasting your money and getting frustrated, go to a range and rent some guns.

Without seeing the gun in person, I don't think anyone here can help you. Take the gun to a gunsmith. Be forewarned that he may decline because you already worked on the gun. He has to consider the liability and the potential of making things worse.

 

[Pierre330]

I have the FSS with aluminum trigger installed in both my 9s (full size and compact).

They both went in without an issue. Well I assume there was no issue since I had a gun smith do it because I have no/minimal knowledge on such things at this point

 

[PastureOfMuppets]

Apex Carry Trigger didn't ruin your gun, you did.

Once you get the gun back to shootable, I would go right back to the beginning of the story where the trigger is the reason your groups are terrible.

That's not the reason. A better trigger will just cover the reason up to a point.

 

[icemn]

Well, assuming this is a serious thread, the trigger is supposed to catch on the frame when pulled incorrectly. It is a trigger inertia safety feature in case the gun is dropped. Nothing wrong with the gun or apex, rather user error. 'Nuff said.

 

[AGoyette]

As I said before.. I have installed the polymer trigger and the DCAEK kit in 2 M&P9c's and had zero issues with either one. I also agree with post #29 where Doug M said; "Most of the reports I have seen from the LE/hard use community indicate that the inherent accuracy of the 9C is at least as good if not better than the full size."
I think my 9c is more accurate than my 5" Pro.

 

[marathonrunner]

OK Guys, I gave up on the polymer trigger and left the duty carry intact. The stock trigger is now back in and it is just as light as my Shield with all the stock OEM return trigger spring. It now feels good. I had to close the bar loop a bit because as I pulled the action back, it was dragging a bit but since closing the loop it is back to as it was. I guess the gouge doesn't affect the gun and is cosmetics. My shield, where you insert the sear housing, that too is gouged. There is no way to avoid gouging that as it is way too tight and even Apex told me that is a very tough fit and hard to line up without scuffing.

I will still stand by my word the stock trigger on MP's are really horrible. For 21 feet yes they are fine but anything beyond that no way. I will probably sell it to Cabalas and then get a Glock 19

 

[AGoyette]

From what you have said marathonrunner, you will be happier with a glock. I wish you the best and happy shooting!

 

[Ksimons]

Did you ever think to call or send you M&P to APEX. It still will not be a GLOCK...
When I did my first duty kit I bought the APEX armorers block and it is very handy.

 

[PAFMAN3]

I will still stand by my word the stock trigger on MP's are really horrible. For 21 feet yes they are fine but anything beyond that no way. I will probably sell it to Cabalas and then get a Glock 19

What is your intended purpose of the weapon ? These are not target guns, they are duty/combat/self defense weapons.
I shoot a M&P 40 and a Glock 22 Same but different, when I put lead the down range it's me in the end when it comes to accuracy not the gun. Best of luck and enjoy your Glock.

 

[Watchdog]

I will probably sell it to Cabalas and then get a Glock 19

Well, now. I'm sure glad we got that cleared up.

Nothing more to see here, folks...move along.

 

[larry1096]

The good news is, even after CORRECTLY installing the Apex kit, it STILL wouldn't have been a Glock...this lets you just cut to the chase.


Larry