Ar15 unpleasant recoil?

[Rastoff]

The upper is a fixed stock?

No, they are both adjustable for length.

DPMS stock is designed to hook into the armpit, the Tapco is designed to ride higher on the shoulder.

Well, sort of. The most important difference is pitch.

The DPMS (top) has negative pitch and the Tapco (bottom) has positive pitch. I don't know what the designer was thinking when they were created, but they represent different philosophies.

The DPMS is more comfortable for a shooter with an aggressive, forward leaning style. It is much better suited to someone shooting prone. The Tapco is better suited to a more upright stance and quick movement.

The Tapco is the most common pitch in the AR world. The DPMS is unique and rarely seen. Is one better? That depends on the shooting style of the shooter.

If I win do I get to choose door number 3?

Sorry, no doors.

 

[JaPes]

My suggestions:

1. Find a stock & pad that fits you just right.

2. A compensator.

3. An AR-Restor hydraulic buffer.

Just my 2¢.

 

[bhayles]

This stock...

...will have a different feel than this stock...

Bonus points if you can see why.

Because the lighter color has lighter recoil?

 

[uncledoggle]

Stock to shoulder fit on an AR is sorta different than other long guns. Most of my long gun experience has been with shotguns and shooting clays and dove. And as most of you know, If a shotgun don't fit, you can't hit... Much of anything. For the past seven years or so my rifle experience has been with pre 1900 types. Winchester 1873s, Marlin 1894, Sharps, High Walls, etc. Some have a straight (Shotgun) butt plate, others a crescent butt plate. Both require a little getting used to. Then I bought an AR and found that it is an entirely different animal when it comes to fit and proper way to mount the rifle.

After that somewhat long winded introduction, what I guess that I'm trying to say is that an AR can take a little getting used to if you are not familiar with the way they fit. In other words "Get a Little more time behind the trigger before you go dumping $$$ into mods that may not be necessary.

Now if I would only follow my own advise.

 

[Dezfan]

Recoil on an AR15?

What's that?

 

[Maddmax]

Ok. If it hurts past the point of what a 12 guage would,you are pulling our leg or something is broke. Something in your shoulder (or that area) ? Been hit,crashed or fell down ??? Joint problems ?? If not. Unload your weapon. Make it safe and break it down. Take the lower and pull the buffer and recoil spring and take a look down the hole and see if anything is down there. Stand it butt side up and see if anything falls out. Is the spring kinked or look "funny" ? Buffer in pieces,chunks or broken ? Take your upper and pull the BCG and charging handle out. Any parts missing or broke ? You build this weapon or buy it ? Some one else build it ? Store bought factory build ? Pawn shop bought ? New ? Old ? Used? We Need More Info.

I too watched a Drill Instructor fire an M-16A1 w/20 rd. mag from his groin on full auto and not flinch or twich a hair. Then scream at the top of his lungs AIRBORNE !!!! and (by then it was reflex and fear) we all yelled back ALL THE WAY DRILL SERGEANT !!!! .....thinking to myself wow, and I only have 3 more years to go....

 

[rsrocket1]

It may actually be muzzle blast that you are not accustomed to. If you can, have someone shoot the gun while you are standing to the left, parallel to the gun at about 5' distance. I get an incredible shockwave when this happens at the rifle range when someone shoots their AR next to me. It can be distracting, but you get used to it.

The AR also has a lot more moving things going on automatically when shooting compared to a bolt action or pump shotgun, so it may all that other movement that make it seem like "more recoil".

At least for me, a full power .308 bolt gun (Remington 788), Mosin Nagant or non-gas operated shotgun will make my shoulder sore well before my AR does.

 

[BlueOvalBandit]

AR15 too blasty? Well it does have a sharpness near the front.

Depending on which state you live in the solution can be simple.

Suppressors if you can own them are an amazing thing and will make your AR a dream to shoot. You may notice more gas in the BCG but it's worth the trade off.

 

[BillyMagg]

If the stock is adjustable, try different lengths. It may just not fit you right.

FWIW, AR15's are what I use for teaching new shooters after they have graduated from rimfires. With proper hearing protection, of course. They are loud, particularly with 16" barrels and flash hiders or muzzle brakes.

Doesn't A R stand for Awful Recoil???????

 

[cyphertext]

Doesn't A R stand for Awful Recoil???????

No, Absent Recoil.

 

[rwsmith]

Aha

The OP mentioned that he shot a .223 bolt rifle, so I don't believe muzzle blast is the problem, even though the blast can be shocking if you're unfamiliar with it. I agree with fit most likely being a problem, but does anybody think thatf there isn't something about the buffer that's not buffering, too?

 

[CrustyShellback]

Sorry, I'm another that can't see why/how you would have an issue with the recoil, from a .223/5.56, especially the AR platform. Its literally a springy feeling, *SPROING*.

Also, a .223 bolt action, is going to have significantly more kick, than an AR. All the force of the recoil, is pushing back into your shoulder. The only dampening, really... is a recoil pad in that case. My Stevens .308, now that kicks like a horse, kicking thru your shoulder. Bipod helped, considerably, but still. Not a fun rifle to shoot (and expensive), for more than a few groups.

However, I do see the need for a buttpad on the ARs, just simply for shoulder seating/placement and retention... I've got a Tapco Intrafuse buttpad ($10), that just slips right on. Its a nice thick, pad... though not the softest rubber. Its still pretty substantial and has a bit of a curve on the back. It feels and seats, real nice up against where, I like to hold my rifle.

EDIT: Yeah, I know... the .308 isn't that big a cartridge. After having my chest cracked open, the wrong type of big rifle recoil, is very unpleasant. I do not like shooting bolt actions anymore, because of it.

 

[rojodiablo]

Man up...the evil rifle has tiny recoil

Agreed. Rub a little M.A.N. on it, and the pain will go away.

In all seriousness, the recoil IS different because of the weight of the bolt going rearward, then forward with force. Also, with wooden stocks, and synthetic full length stocks, the buttstock DOEs divert energy differently than an AR, which has no such deadening material from stem to stern. But seriously; it's nothing to run 500 rounds and not have a sore shoulder.

The doctors' remedy for AR15 pain? A prescription of 3" 12ga. mag goose loads of 1-5/8oz tungsten. Shoot 20, and call me in the morning.

 

[MichiganScott]

The doctors' remedy for AR15 pain? A prescription of 3" 12ga. mag goose loads of 1-5/8oz tungsten. Shoot 20, and call me in the morning.

I've always believed that I was pretty much recoil proof having shot two boxes of 300 grain .375 H&H off the bench one day while working up handloads. I just fired my son-in-law's fixed breech turkey gun with 2 oz. max lead loads. That got my attention.

 

[bhayles]

I've always believed that I was pretty much recoil proof having shot two boxes of 300 grain .375 H&H off the bench one day while working up handloads. I just fired my son-in-law's fixed breech turkey gun with 2 oz. max lead loads. That got my attention.

Like you, recoil has never bothered me much...though when deer season came around zeroing my .300 Win Mag wasn't real fun each year...except once.

My grandfather had a double barrel 10 guage. Several years after his death I was going goose hunting for the first time and borrowed it from my grandmother.

Well, unbeknownst to her or anyone else, my grandfather had decided that if anyone ever stole it they should pay at least SOME price, and since most folks pull the forward trigger first, then the rear trigger on a double, he had rigged it so if you pulled the rear trigger then the front everything went normally, but if you pulled the front trigger first you got both barrels at once.

Oooops!...

 

[rojodiablo]

Like you, recoil has never bothered me much...though when deer season came around zeroing my .300 Win Mag wasn't real fun each year...except once.

My grandfather had a double barrel 10 guage. Several years after his death I was going goose hunting for the first time and borrowed it from my grandmother.

Well, unbeknownst to her or anyone else, my grandfather had decided that if anyone ever stole it they should pay at least SOME price, and since most folks pull the forward trigger first, then the rear trigger on a double, he had rigged it so if you pulled the rear trigger then the front everything went normally, but if you pulled the front trigger first you got both barrels at once.

Oooops!...

Yes, a lot of good select trigger shotguns have that ability. And yes...... I got caught by a double gun (12ga.) that did the exact same thing. Hard on a 14 year old shoulder......

 

[rojodiablo]

Severely overgassed?

I can't relate.

Even this with its complete lack of stock and super short gas tube is not bad:

To be fair, a good 30% of the powder from that cartridge is burning outside that short barrel.....Hell, I can see the tip of the bullet sticking out of the muzzle, fer crying out loud!!

 

[gunny4053]

OK, iron6, fess up. It's been a couple weeks and the rest of us have discussed this at length, so have you figured it out?

 

[AFischer]

My Sport II stock sucks.

I don't know why but when I shoot my Smith & Wesson M&P sport II. The stock digs in to my solder. Which is uncomfortable but not unbearable. My friend who owns a really nice AR-15 shot it and said the same thing. The M&P Sport II is a very nice AR-15 but it's stock is just ****ing awful.

 

[Kadonny]

Throw a different recoil pad in it and see if that helps. Limbsaver and a bunch of others make slip ons.