Ar15 unpleasant recoil?

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I can already see you tough guys getting ready to have a field day but hear me out.

I can shoot hundreds of rounds through a mosin nagant comfortably so I don't believe I'm recoil sensitive. But sometgimg about the ar recoil is well uncomfortable. Shooting a bolt action .223 is almost as recoil free as a .22 Its almost imperceptible but the ar seems to "sting" or have a certain sharpness to it. I'm kind of wondering If it's thr textured stock on it. Does anyone have some input?

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Dfresh15 said:
Man up...the evil rifle has tiny recoil
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I can shoot a mosin or 3" 12 gauge slugs comfortably. In fact I could shoot larger.

That being said it may very well be muzzle blast. It's sort of a shock feeling

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Severely overgassed?

I can't relate.

Even this with its complete lack of stock and super short gas tube is not bad:
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Shoulder, it's more of a unpleasant feeling in thr general area. It's hard to explain

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Can't relate my friend.
Never heard of a 5.56mm being hard on a shooter thru
an AR15. Or any rifle.
Try a different hold and snuggle it up tighter
to your shoulder.
If you can shoot 3" 12 gauge slugs with no problem then
i am at a loss to explain this.

Chuck
 
Rastoff said:
Where is this feeling? In your cheek or in your shoulder?
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This was a problem for me. I used to think 12 gauge shotguns were just plain unshootable. I tried fancy recoil pads. I tried light loads. Turns out, they didn't fit me and the stock was impacting my cheekbone every shot. It made recoil *unpleasant.* I finally found a shotgun with enough drop at the comb that made shooting a 12 gauge tolerable. (Wood stocked Remington 870). Now I shoot a wood stocked Remington 20 gauge that I would call pleasant.

Learn from my experience; figure out where it is unpleasant and work from there. Rastoff is on the right track.
 
I might need to tuck it in harder. I don't usually hold it as tighylu as bigger guns. So I may just need to play around.

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If the stock is adjustable, try different lengths. It may just not fit you right.

FWIW, AR15's are what I use for teaching new shooters after they have graduated from rimfires. With proper hearing protection, of course. They are loud, particularly with 16" barrels and flash hiders or muzzle brakes.
 
iron6 said:
Shoulder, it's more of a unpleasant feeling in thr general area. It's hard to explain
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When I hear a complaint like yours, I immediately think of gun fit. The AR fits almost no one, but it's not as critical as a shotgun because of how it's used.

How do you mount the gun? There are different ways to shoulder the gun. One is to have your head erect and just the toe in your shoulder. Another is to put the full pad along your shoulder and bring your head down to the stock. From an accuracy standpoint the first is best because the shooter is most relaxed in that position. From an aggressive standpoint the second is better because the shooter will be able to control the rifle better for multiple follow up shots.

Check to see if the stock is hitting your collar bone.


Waywatcher said:
Now I shoot a wood stocked Remington 20 gauge that I would call pleasant.
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Shotguns are a different animal. As the guns come from the factory they fit almost no one correctly. Finding the correct fit for a shotgun is rarely about a new pad. Most often they have the wrong pitch. It took a long time, but I finally broke down and had a custom stock made. Now I feel almost no recoil from my shotgun.
 
MichiganScott said:
If the stock is adjustable, try different lengths. It may just not fit you right.
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Where do you have your stock set? If you have it extended to far, it could be causing you to over extend and force the butt off the shoulder and onto the collar bone. The factory stock has somewhat aggressive checkering on the butt, so this could become uncomfortable. Try shooting it at different lengths, or try a pad.

There has to be something going on, the AR platform just doesn't have any recoil to speak of. As a Drill Sgt. and instructor, I'm one of those guys who fired from the chin and the nuts. My voice hasn't gotten any higher and there's no wire in my jaw. Have faith my friend, we'll get it figured out. :D

Good Luck and good shooting.
 
Did I miss it, or has nobody asked what type of stock he's using?

If it's one of the chintzy, standard M4 stocks, you might wanna consider a Magpul CTR or MOE. Also, I believe companies make hydraulic buffers to take the spring out of the equation, if it's that "action" that's bothering you.
 
Rastoff said:
Yes, this is an important question.

This stock...
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...will have a different feel than this stock...
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Bonus points if you can see why.
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The upper is a fixed stock?

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DPMS stock is designed to hook into the armpit, the Tapco is designed to ride higher on the shoulder.

If I win do I get to choose door number 3? ;)
 
BluGrass said:
The upper is a fixed stock?
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No, they are both adjustable for length.

gunny4053 said:
DPMS stock is designed to hook into the armpit, the Tapco is designed to ride higher on the shoulder.
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Well, sort of. The most important difference is pitch.

The DPMS (top) has negative pitch and the Tapco (bottom) has positive pitch. I don't know what the designer was thinking when they were created, but they represent different philosophies.

The DPMS is more comfortable for a shooter with an aggressive, forward leaning style. It is much better suited to someone shooting prone. The Tapco is better suited to a more upright stance and quick movement.

The Tapco is the most common pitch in the AR world. The DPMS is unique and rarely seen. Is one better? That depends on the shooting style of the shooter.

gunny4053 said:
If I win do I get to choose door number 3? ;)
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Sorry, no doors. :(
 
My suggestions:

1. Find a stock & pad that fits you just right.

2. A compensator.

3. An AR-Restor hydraulic buffer.

Just my 2¢.
 
Stock to shoulder fit on an AR is sorta different than other long guns. Most of my long gun experience has been with shotguns and shooting clays and dove. And as most of you know, If a shotgun don't fit, you can't hit... Much of anything. For the past seven years or so my rifle experience has been with pre 1900 types. Winchester 1873s, Marlin 1894, Sharps, High Walls, etc. Some have a straight (Shotgun) butt plate, others a crescent butt plate. Both require a little getting used to. Then I bought an AR and found that it is an entirely different animal when it comes to fit and proper way to mount the rifle.

After that somewhat long winded introduction, what I guess that I'm trying to say is that an AR can take a little getting used to if you are not familiar with the way they fit. In other words "Get a Little more time behind the trigger before you go dumping $$$ into mods that may not be necessary.

Now if I would only follow my own advise.
 
Ok. If it hurts past the point of what a 12 guage would,you are pulling our leg or something is broke. Something in your shoulder (or that area) ? Been hit,crashed or fell down ??? Joint problems ?? If not. Unload your weapon. Make it safe and break it down. Take the lower and pull the buffer and recoil spring and take a look down the hole and see if anything is down there. Stand it butt side up and see if anything falls out. Is the spring kinked or look "funny" ? Buffer in pieces,chunks or broken ? Take your upper and pull the BCG and charging handle out. Any parts missing or broke ? You build this weapon or buy it ? Some one else build it ? Store bought factory build ? Pawn shop bought ? New ? Old ? Used? We Need More Info.

I too watched a Drill Instructor fire an M-16A1 w/20 rd. mag from his groin on full auto and not flinch or twich a hair. Then scream at the top of his lungs AIRBORNE !!!! and (by then it was reflex and fear) we all yelled back ALL THE WAY DRILL SERGEANT !!!! .....thinking to myself wow, and I only have 3 more years to go....
 
It may actually be muzzle blast that you are not accustomed to. If you can, have someone shoot the gun while you are standing to the left, parallel to the gun at about 5' distance. I get an incredible shockwave when this happens at the rifle range when someone shoots their AR next to me. It can be distracting, but you get used to it.

The AR also has a lot more moving things going on automatically when shooting compared to a bolt action or pump shotgun, so it may all that other movement that make it seem like "more recoil".

At least for me, a full power .308 bolt gun (Remington 788), Mosin Nagant or non-gas operated shotgun will make my shoulder sore well before my AR does.
 
AR15 too blasty? Well it does have a sharpness near the front.

Depending on which state you live in the solution can be simple.

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Suppressors if you can own them are an amazing thing and will make your AR a dream to shoot. You may notice more gas in the BCG but it's worth the trade off.
 
MichiganScott said:
If the stock is adjustable, try different lengths. It may just not fit you right.

FWIW, AR15's are what I use for teaching new shooters after they have graduated from rimfires. With proper hearing protection, of course. They are loud, particularly with 16" barrels and flash hiders or muzzle brakes.
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Doesn't A R stand for Awful Recoil???????
 
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