Are any S&W revolvers currently made w/o locks?

[bjbard]

Does S&W make any current revolvers without locks?

Thanks in advance!

Brian

 

[Bobbysixkiller]

Some centennial j frames.

 

[john14_18]

Davidsons offers a 642 and a 442 with no internal locks

 

[L-2]

As mentioned, above, there are certain SKUs of models 442, 642, and the 640 Pro still being made without the internal locks.

The frames should/will have the "-1" numbering, e.g., "640-1".

Should a recent model S&W revolver, WITH A LOCK, end up being bought, do consider one of those plug kits on the market. Installing such a kit will involve some basic hand-tools (tools made for firearms work, preferred); ability to follow directions; some experience taking apart S&W revolvers can help; the chance of losing a small part or two (control of one's work area is important); and plan on ~$44/kit, delivered.

 

[michpatriot]

Both the 340PD and the 340MP can be had without the hole.

 

[shocker]

If the revolver has an external hammer, it will have a lock.

 

[Lobster Picnic]

The rimfire Centennial models 43c and 351c have no lock.

 

[Zipdog]

So what if we did a forum member buy of say 10,000 Model 19's with no lock do you think they would make them for us?

 

[shocker]

So what if we did a forum member buy of say 10,000 Model 19's with no lock do you think they would make them for us?

No.
NRA-ILA | Smith & Wesson Settlement Agreement

 

[shocker]

Delete duplicate

 

[BigBill]

I'll take the IL/mim revolvers no problem.

 

[redglare]

So what if we did a forum member buy of say 10,000 Model 19's with no lock do you think they would make them for us?

It's an interesting idea. More realistically, I've often wondered if a distributor could have a batch of no-lock guns produced, since the stupid agreement is obviously dead as a doornail, legally speaking.

 

[Fox4506]

I always wondered why some of the enclosed hammer models could be made without the lock. I skimmed over the agreement that shocker posted, and apparently DAO revolvers are considered safe because they are DAO and, as per the agreement, do not need a lock. SA/DA revolvers on the other hand need the lock, as per the agreement, because they are capable of single action. I did not know this before.

I wonder if S&W could make some DAO revolvers that are traditionally SA/DA...without the lock? Seems like this would satisfy the agreement. You could just replace parts to make it DA/SA again if you wanted.

Fox

 

[ladder13]

So what if we did a forum member buy of say 10,000 Model 19's with no lock do you think they would make them for us?

Part 1c of the agreement precludes that.
They could, and should, relocate the lock mechanism( a new one actually)under the grip thereby returning the profile of the guns to pre 2000 design, less elongated in the grip area.
That would mean a redesign of the IL, but...... with a little better QC and getting back to the old profile, they would be back in business selling tons of revolvers again.

 

[L-2]

Thanks for posting the link to the March 2000 S&W Settlement Agreement. I'd not known of this agreement, previously, and just never thought to look for or research the matter. I'm disappointed S&W fell for/caved to this agreement.

Item 1.c. seems to indicate ALL HANDGUNS (not just SA/DA guns) shall have an internal locking device. I didn't see any words exempting S&W from the specific models it now has which do not have the internal locks. Perhaps there was some later interpretations, as others have mentioned, regarding the DA-only models. I'm glad S&W has, at least, made those non-internal-lock models.

I also didn't see this agreement having any ending-date, which I found disappointing. I'm not astute enough to have an opinion as to the agreement's legalities. Apparently, S&W is continuing to abide with its agreement and the internal locks to the disappointment of many.

 

[redglare]

The agreement didn't stop Smith & Wesson from ditching the 10-round magazine limit.

 

[Fox4506]

3.Additional standard for revolvers. Each revolver make and model must pass a safety test. Each make and model must have a safety feature which automatically (for a double action revolver) or by manual operation (for a single action revolver) causes the hammer to retract to a point where the firing pin does not rest upon the primer of the cartridge. The safety device must withstand the impact of a weight equal to the weight of the revolver dropping from a distance of 1 meter in a line parallel to the barrel upon the rear of the hammer spur, a total of 5 times.

I took this to mean that DAO revolvers do not require the lock. I could have misinterpreted it though.

Fox

 

[Tilheyra]

While I am a bit late to this conversation, I figured it would be nice to include a picture of a 642 without a lock, so the OP (and others) can see a photo of one. I'm not sure of the exact date of production, but I purchased it new last summer.

 

[DeafSmith]

If the revolver has an external hammer, it will have a lock.

That explains it! I never see S&Ws with hammers that have no locks. I kind of see their logic (but I hate it anyway!)

 

[jack the toad]

Don't recall year of manufacture but the M29 Heritage I had came without IL and with forged hammer/trigger.