Are Glocks safe?

Timely discussion for me. I'm used to tossing my 642 in my pocket in a remora holster with no qualms because of the 10lb trigger pull. Just bought a P365XL w/o safety, and am nervous about carrying it without rigid holster. Thinking about a Tulster OATH IWB???
 
Glock already engineered a manual safety for their inclusion into the M9 replacement trials.

Unlike HK, who engineered a very nice 45 ACP pistol for the first aborted replacement and made it available to the public (HK45), Glock didn't make their 9mm manual safety (military compliant) available to the civilian market.

Glocks are Glocks and the difference is no manual safety.... ever. It's a marketing thing. Notice that S&W or Sig don't play those games.

If you can put a man on the moon...never mind.

The “classic” Sigs, the big boxy ones with the sheet metal slides, did not have external safetys as I recall. Only decocking levers :)
 
Too many chicken littles out there. sa revolvers & derringers with out trigger guards, Mexican carry, da revolvers in pockets with out holster, Glocks are all unsafe. Safties will get you killed, no rounds in the chamber, no humor, no fun, THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING.
If it makes you uncomfortable dont do it, other wise rock on.
 
Glocks and other similar pistols are carried by hundreds of thousands around the globe. They are not inherently unsafe but require holsters and gun handling tuned to their type.

If you are not quite comfortable with this get yourself something else you have more confidence with.

Don't let a "good price" push you into something you are not confident about.
 
The “classic” Sigs, the big boxy ones with the sheet metal slides, did not have external safetys as I recall. Only decocking levers :)

Correct, P series don't have safeties. I've owned 220, 229, and 239. That's why I like the design for carry, no safety and a hammer. Personally I think auto design hit it's peak with the P series. Hard to improve on that. I'll buy any 9mm or 45 ACP P series Sig if the price is right. Unfortunately they have been increasing in price since Sig decided to concentrate on the striker market and abandoned most of the P series models. I'm always looking for those.
 
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If the following as been posted before, forgive me.
Remember that NO firearm is totally safe, if they were they would not serve their intended use.

Now what makes Any firearm safe is the proper usage by the person who is using it at that second.

I am not a striker fired pistol fan by any means, so I tend to stay away from them. But I understand that is me who may be unsafe not the firearm. If I were ever to own a striker fired firearm I would be willing to learn how to safely carry and use one.
 
That's a training issue

Correct! The only accidental discharge I witnessed with a Glock was from an older officer who came off the qualification firing line to the cleaning area. A live round was still in the chamber. He took out the empty magazine but didn't check to see that the pistol was clear and pulled the trigger to begin cleaning. Fortunately the pistol was pointed down and into a bucket of sand when when it discharged. No injuries thank goodness.
 
Saw it today and fell in love.
The trigger felt fine.
Now I just got to wait for the stupid Illinois saxafraxin', waxin' 3 day waiting period to be up.:confused::(:mad:

I had a professor in college who used to say he never met a gun he didn't like. That's how I feel about this Glock. And we need more teachers like him.
 
Max,

With my Gen 5 Glocks (including my 26), I do 3 functional upgrades:
1) I install an extended slide release,
2) I install a set of Talon (rubber texture) grips, and
3) I replace the plastic Glock sights. My 26, 42, and my inbound 30 wear TruGlow fiber optic sights.
 
I believe that about every Negligent discharge, and that’s what they are, has been caused by the operator doing something unsafe or negligent.
I know of none caused by a broken part, but maybe that’s happened.
This applies to ALL guns.
Some guns are less forgiving of negligence, but most all require it for a discharge.
Buy the gun you want and train up on it. Thoroughly. If you find that it requires more training than you’d like to invest to be safe with it I’d be willing to bet you’re not going to be totally safe with any gun.
It’s a total commitment
 
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There have been some good points made above. I'll add some additional information.

First off, Glock is solely responsible for the accurate labels of negligent/unintentional firearm discharge. Accidental discharge has been limited to an incident caused by a mechanical defect in the firearm. This was driven by the liability insurance carriers for law enforcement. As an example, by about 2005, DC Metro police averaged one (now) negligent discharge a month for 14 years. It's safe to say that Glock-and under trained users-lead the universe in negligent discharges.

I just tried looking in my LE Instructors books to see when keeping your trigger digit off the trigger until you'd made the decision to shoot and were in the very act of intentionally doing so* was added to the basic safety rules and can't find anything definitive, but figure it's about 1990 or so. No, that isn't gonna get you killed.

I'll join the guys who suggest that if you're going to tote a Glock you need to do several things:
Replace the plastic front sight with steel.

Get a holster that covers the trigger guard and don't ever pocket carry without one. Put the gun in the holster, then both in the pocket.

Do the NY-1 trigger (about 8 lb) conversion.

TRAIN UNTIL KEEPING YOUR FINGER OUT OF THE TRIGGER GUARD UNLESS INTENTIONALLY FIRING A SHOT IS HABIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is a slide endplate made that has a button that can be depressed to block the striker while holstering. Might be worth consideration.

* Square range version is "off target, off trigger".
 
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I carried a 1911 of some configuration cocked and locked for probably 25 of my more than 36 years in LE. I had several folks point out the fact that the hammer was cocked and several said, "Isn't that dangerous" I said, " yes it is, it is supposed to be". They are all dangerous if you don't know the proper manual of operation. Glocks and most of the striker fired genre are pretty much the same mode of operation with the trigger dingus. keep your finger away from the trigger when not intending to fire, never carry it without a proper fitting holster and be extremely cautious when reholstering to make sure nothing interferes with the trigger mechanism. If you do all those things, you are good to go.
 
I've got a chance at a good buy on a Glock. But they don't have external safeties and the trigger pull is lighter than my J frame in DA.
I'm sure this has been discussed to death and I'm not trying to stir the pot but I'm tempted by this good deal. And sometimes it would be nice to have 10 + 1 without a reload instead of the 5 my j frame gives me.
Another con is I would need a good holster and wear it on my waistband instead of in a pocket like I'm used to. I'm afraid I might buy it and not use it much for that reason.
It's a Model 26 which is a bit bigger than my S&W 638. I don't feel operation of the pistol would be an issue. I've been around guns all my life. But I'm having doubts. Seems like there's too much chance for Murphy's Law to take hold, what with a relatively light trigger pull and no external safety.

Thoughts?
I haven't read any of the other posts, but I'll keep it simple.
You seem hesitant. If that's the case, pass on it. Given the reasons you mention, I don't think you want to decide "after" you buy it that you aren't comfortable carrying it or don't trust it.
Glocks are a dime a dozen, so if you decide down the road, after trying one out at your local range that is, there will still be a ton of them out there.
 
I've got a chance at a good buy on a Glock. But they don't have external safeties and the trigger pull is lighter than my J frame in DA.
I'm sure this has been discussed to death and I'm not trying to stir the pot but I'm tempted by this good deal. And sometimes it would be nice to have 10 + 1 without a reload instead of the 5 my j frame gives me.
Another con is I would need a good holster and wear it on my waistband instead of in a pocket like I'm used to. I'm afraid I might buy it and not use it much for that reason.
It's a Model 26 which is a bit bigger than my S&W 638. I don't feel operation of the pistol would be an issue. I've been around guns all my life. But I'm having doubts. Seems like there's too much chance for Murphy's Law to take hold, what with a relatively light trigger pull and no external safety.

Thoughts?

Glocks don't have EXTERNAL safeties but they are safe nonetheless. Glock design makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the striker to contact the primer unless a human finger is pulling the trigger. When partially cocked, the striker still resides over a frame ledge that will not allow the cruciform to drop. Unless the trigger is deliberately pulled, the striker CANNOT accidentally release - though I am sure know-nothings with attempt to disagree.
IF a Glock shoots you in the leg, it was YOUR FINGER than caused it, not any design defect of the gun.
The BEST way for professionals to carry a Glock is in a holster that blocks trigger access and HOPEFULLY the person doesn't draw the pistol using the TRIGGER!
 
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Firearms are simply tools. Unless you have been or are a “ mechanic” of some trade and use hand and power tools you might not be able to relate. Have seen far more “ accidents” with hand and power tools than with any firearm. It’ s the USER, not the tool that causes any “ accident”.
Training and Learning to Apply training is the KEY!
Sadly most LEO’s for the past many years are not “ Gun People”, they only carry because they have to. I fondly remember all LEO’s I knew 40-50 years ago many were shooting/ gun show buddies and yes even ATF agents. Like much of todays society the old ways of being raised around firearms, being taught by father, uncles and grand fathers is a thing of the past. Service in Armed forces is not required either or as in the Navy firearm training is brief and only in basic. Learned this from grandson who knew more about firearms and safety than his instructors.
Tried a glock when they first “ came out” and didn’t like the way it pointed or trigger due to being a 1911 , Hi Power or revolver guy. Thats just me and many of my “ gun buddies” today love and carry glocks.
“Each to his Own” is an old saying that guess applies here.
 
Glocks don't have EXTERNAL safeties but they are safe nonetheless. Glock design makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the striker to contact the primer UNLESS A HUMAN FINGER IS PULLING THE TRIGGER.

I added emphasis above. That's obviously not true as any object that manages to enter the trigger guard and press the trigger to the rear while depressing the "safety" will fire the gun. There are documented cases of that.

That said, the majority of cases where guns went off when they shouldn't are due to folks having their trigger digit where it wasn't supposed to be. There are phyisological reasons for some that. These include startle response and sympathetic muscle action.

We’ve all experienced startle response, you hear a loud noise or see an unexpected motion and your muscles tense and you may jump. Sympathetic muscle action is simple, if you tense the muscles of one hand, the muscles of your other hand will also tense, or tense further. In either case, if your finger is on the trigger, you may well hear the loud noise of a negligent discharge.

There's also another factor to consider, it's called trigger verification reflex. Research has shown us that under stress, even highly trained and experienced people will put their finger on the trigger, sometimes with surprising force, when they shouldn't. It's thought that, at a deep level under stress, the brain wants to make sure your finger can find that trigger.

The key here is to train, train, train to keep that trigger finger away from the trigger unless you're intentionally firing a shot. The fact that it's very difficult to do that even with a lot a training suggests that short travel, light weight triggers aren't a good idea in a defensive firearm.
 
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