Arizona CC Laws

[ENGINE18]

SB 1108 and HB 2347 are up for a vote very soon. They are both somewhat the same in that they remove the permit requirement to carry concealed. Both are expected to pass. Prohibited carry laws appear to remain the same; felons, domestic violence.

A good thing, other than the possibility of untrained individuals walking around with firearms. As there are less that 200,000 issued permits out of millions of potential permits, that probably won't happen.

What say you?

http://www.azcentral.com

 

[Hoplophile]

According to Lott's research, there is no difference in accidental or "bad" shootings in states that require x-amount of training versus zero training.

I lived in WA state for 15 years -- no training required. Bad shootings (by licensees) were very rare. About like in states like AZ, which require training.

And yes, I support training and believe in training. I'm an NRA-certified instructor. But I don't believe the state has a right to require "training" to exercise a constitutional right. Kind of like poll tests and poll taxes, which the SCOTUS deemed unconstitutional decades ago.

 

[ENGINE18]

I agree Hop, it just got me to thinking. I've seen some real nutjobs get reamed out by the Rangemaster and so far they have all been non-CCWP folks. I just hope all goes well.

 

[jkc]

As a former AZ CCW instructor, I'm glad to see that the licensing requirement is apparently about to be eliminated --- the dollop of training to get a CCW never amounted to much in the first place, certainly was inadequate to guarantee any proficiency --- and was never more than a sop to the opposition. Even the association of police chiefs has given up its opposition. You'll still be able to get a permit, should you want one, but looks like you soon won't be required to have one. About time!

 

[DonD]

The marksmanship requirements initially proposed for CCW in NM were in some respects as stringent as they were for the Albuquerque PD. They backed off considerably and now they're rather wimpy. Anyone who can't pass the current qualification requirements has no business carrying a gun.

I guess it might be good to point out that a couple years ago, a CCW holder shot and killed a guy in a local Walmart. He was also a reserve cop, about 70 yrs old. An estranged husband was trying to knife his ex who was working at the deli counter. He observed it and shot the guy. The woman's daughters were interviewed on TV saying the guy was a hero that he saved their mother's life, which he did. Haven't heard of any misconduct by NM CCW holders nor has my cop son. Don

 

[AZretired]

You will still need to get an AZ permit if you want to carry outside the state and iff they drop the training requirement it could affect who we have reciprocity with.

 

[RufusG]

I'm going to keep my permit. I like not having to have a background check on the odd occasion I buy a gun through a dealer, plus it's a nice tool to ease concerns on FTF transactions. Plus the aforementioned reciprocity.

 

[2000Z-71]

I'll be keeping mine as well. It's nice to be able to carry when I travel to Colorado. I just have concerns of what may happen to reciprocity with other states if either measure becomes law.

 

[Jamesaritchie]

SB 1108 and HB 2347 are up for a vote very soon. They are both somewhat the same in that they remove the permit requirement to carry concealed. Both are expected to pass. Prohibited carry laws appear to remain the same; felons, domestic violence.

A good thing, other than the possibility of untrained individuals walking around with firearms. As there are less that 200,000 issued permits out of millions of potential permits, that probably won't happen.

What say you?

http://www.azcentral.com

Training is a good idea, but certainly should never be a requirement to practie a Constitutional right.

And just how much training do you now need in Arizona to carry a weapon in the open? What, it takes more training to carry one concealed?

 

[running iron]

It looks like a done deal to not need a permit to carry a concealed weapon now in Az. I too have been thinking about this and have asked a few sheriffs how they feel. They have all said they like the idea because here in Coconino county, the second largest in the U.S., there is just not enough cops to patrol the vast area. So they are glad to have the good guys armed as well. I hope they are right because even though the training is not much, at least they go over when you can use deadly force. I hope that now people don't draw a weapon to intimidate other people just because they can. I guess we will see how things go. I would at least like to see a little book go out with a new handgun on the laws of when deadly force is acceptable. There are a lot of irrational people out there now days. It's good to hear that in others states that have the same set up, things are about the same. Maybe people will show more respect knowing the other guy might be armed too. I too will keep my permit for all the reasons already stated

 

[PDL]

I'll be keeping mine as well. It's nice to be able to carry when I travel to Colorado. I just have concerns of what may happen to reciprocity with other states if either measure becomes law.

I suspect you'll find that if you don't have a physical permit, you'll get treated like VT residents. Seems like only FL and ID honor their 'non'-permit status.

 

[44forever]

The marksmanship requirements initially proposed for CCW in NM were in some respects as stringent as they were for the Albuquerque PD. They backed off considerably and now they're rather wimpy. Anyone who can't pass the current qualification requirements has no business carrying a gun.
Don

The NM qualification is less about marksmanship than it is about having the instructor access gun handling. I have never seen a student who couldnt get the 18 out of 25 hits required.

 

[Beans]

I suspect you'll find that if you don't have a physical permit, you'll get treated like VT residents. Seems like only FL and ID honor their 'non'-permit status.

I have mixed feeling about the Proposed AZ law on carrying concealed.
Arizona is an open carry without a permit state and this suits me just fine.
The removal of the requirement of a permit to have a concealed weapon will eliminate some of the problems of having a gun concealed ( out of sight) in a vehicle with a unpermitted person is in that vehicle.
For example. The driver, which has a CCW permit, has a gun in the console or glove box and a passenger in the same vehicle doesn't have a cc permit. The driver stops at a local convenience store exits the vehicle and the passenger stays inside the vehicle. It is my understanding that "Without" the driver in the vehicle the passenger could be arrested for having a concealed weapon without a permit.

The new Arizona law would eliminate this problem.

My concern is "reciprocity" I intend to keep my CCW permit in force and hope the other states don't over react to the loss of the requirement for the state CCW permit.

 

[PDL]

I have mixed feeling about the Proposed AZ law on carrying concealed.
Arizona is an open carry without a permit state and this suits me just fine.
The removal of the requirement of a permit to have a concealed weapon will eliminate some of the problems of having a gun concealed ( out of sight) in a vehicle with a unpermitted person is in that vehicle.
For example. The driver, which has a CCW permit, has a gun in the console or glove box and a passenger in the same vehicle doesn't have a cc permit. The driver stops at a local convenience store exits the vehicle and the passenger stays inside the vehicle. It is my understanding that "Without" the driver in the vehicle the passenger could be arrested for having a concealed weapon without a permit.

The new Arizona law would eliminate this problem.

My concern is "reciprocity" I intend to keep my CCW permit in force and hope the other states don't over react to the loss of the requirement for the state CCW permit.

That's an interesting twist I hadn't heard. In most cases I'd have thought that CCW permits covered your possesion of the weapon, not just in your immediate vicinity.

 

[AZretired]

Current Az law is confusing on this but I believe that if the pistol is in a holster or gun rug while in the console or glove box, you are ok without a permit.