Armed robbery in Ohio

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Following is a link to footage of an armed robbery in Ohio; mods please remove if not allowed. First, the reporter interviewing the shop owner calls it a shotgun. The robber used what clearly looks like a rifle. Secondly, it looks like the shop owner's pistol (Glock?) sticks open about a half inch after he fires the shot. Does it look that way to you?

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Look like a failure to feed as I could not see a case protruding from the ejection port. The slide looked to be to far to the rear for a stovepipe, so probably a failure to feed.
 
Borderboss said:
For all the comments I see from Glock people about how super reliable Glocks are, every day I see some video like this where the Glock has failures to feed. Many times it's a badge cam video. I'm not so sure the wonder Glocks are as reliable as stated.
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I would definitely be looking into my weapon and/or ammo choices. I'm sure that this can happen with any pistol. It's like finding a snake in your house. If I found a snake in my house, I would be constantly on guard and wondering where the others are hiding. If I had a malfunction like this in an actual self-defense situation, I'm not sure I could carry with peace of mind afterwards (or at least for a very long time)!
 
At first the talking heads say "rifle" then later "shotgun". Maybe they picked that up from Mr. Patel who has a bit of an accent. I can't tell if he said "shotgun" or "short gun".
 
Watching the video it looks like he had his support hand right up behind the slide when he fired (and then quickly jerks it away as it gets smacked), causing the malfunction. I have little but respect for Glocks, but if you've got something where it shouldn't be you can absolutely induce a malfunction.

Crummy screenshot here.

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waffles said:
Watching the video it looks like he had his support hand right up behind the slide when he fired (and then quickly jerks it away as it gets smacked), causing the malfunction. I have little but respect for Glocks, but if you've got something where it shouldn't be you can absolutely induce a malfunction.
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I've always found Glocks to super reliable. I agree that it looks like his left hand caused the malfunction.
 
waffles said:
Watching the video it looks like he had his support hand right up behind the slide when he fired (and then quickly jerks it away as it gets smacked), causing the malfunction. I have little but respect for Glocks, but if you've got something where it shouldn't be you can absolutely induce a malfunction.

Crummy screenshot here.

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Most definitely looks like the support hand caused the malfunction. Thanks for pointing this out!
 
Another cause of malfunctions for Glocks, or any other semi-auto for that matter, is a bad magazine. Most of the Glock problems I've observed (not gun manipulation related) were caused by after market magazines or by out-of-spec ammo.
 
minconrevo said:
Another cause of malfunctions for Glocks, or any other semi-auto for that matter, is a bad magazine. Most of the Glock problems I've observed (not gun manipulation related) were caused by after market magazines or by out-of-spec ammo.
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I teach firearms at a community college police academy. We can point out the firearms that will not make it the 800 rounds fired during the week. With Glocks it is almost always aftermarket parts. Magpul magazines generally do well, but aftermarket springs, back plates, slide stops, and such are the kiss of death.
 
minconrevo said:
Another cause of malfunctions for Glocks, or any other semi-auto for that matter, is a bad magazine. Most of the Glock problems I've observed (not gun manipulation related) were caused by after market magazines or by out-of-spec ammo.
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For sure. I've also seen issues related to aftermarket fire control parts. Glocks tolerate change rather well, but the further you get from the originally manufactured configuration the more likely something weird will happen.

In this case though, it looks to be software vs hardware, and a great example at that. I'll preface this by saying I'm glad it all worked out the way it did. Mr. Patel is safe, his business proceeds remain with him, the suspect is in custody.

Mr. Patel got lucky. He drew on a person who had a shotgun pointed at him, who didn't fire. He drew, had his hands in the wrong place, and fired. That shot missed. His misplaced support hand caused his pistol to fail to return to battery. He then appears to attempt a followup shot or two (I may be wrong on that), and continues moving the pistol to cover the robber as the robber retreats. At no point does he attempt any remedial action to get the pistol running again (likely as simple as racking the slide). Thankfully the robber was less interested in winning than Mr. Patel was, and Mr. Patel gets to be a local news hero. I think we all have plenty of examples of stressful situations (I'm hoping most of ours aren't gun related) where we succeeded, and where we choked. In this case we get a good, teachable example of things that can go wrong in a defensive shooting.
 
Good example of why I carry a 642-1 . I could see myself doing that with an auto ....well, truth be told, I do carry a SA 380 in front pants pocket in warm weather, due to being lazy .....
 
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waffles said:
Or, yaknow, learn to use the pistol he has.
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Now, that's a novel concept......but I don't want to rag on this poor guy too much.
I've been thru a couple defensive courses and been familiar with autos since mid seventies, and I don't know how I'd react under duress. I have a friend who is a retired cop and DEA agent who has been in five gun fights, and he said he was rattled every time. It's just that by training his reaction was second nature.
 
rogerwnuss said:
Now, that's a novel concept......but I don't want to rag on this poor guy too much.
I've been thru a couple defensive courses and been familiar with autos since mid seventies, and I don't know how I'd react under duress. I have a friend who is a retired cop and DEA agent who has been in five gun fights, and he said he was rattled every time. It's just that by training his reaction was second nature.
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Rote training, repetition, over and over again until the muscles remember and you react without thinking beyond making sure you are in a fight.
 
I would suspect that Mr Patel bought the gun and learned enough from either the salesperson or YouTube to be dangerous. I would seriously doubt that he had much, if any, range time looking at how he is grasping the Glock.

Sadly, I have been a safety officer at club open houses where neophyte shooters have shown up with guns they've never fired, and seen too many that would have incurred thumb injuries by holding their pistols like that!

I wonder how Mr Patel's thumb feels!
 
The Son's buddy bought a Sig 320 a few years ago. I got home from a work trip & he asked if I'd look at his gun, all jammed up.

With effort I was able to clear the gun. The 1st thing I noticed was a bone-dry action. The 2nd thing was very dry steel cased 9mm ammo with cases almost like very fine sandpaper, opposite of slippery.

I field stripped the gun, cleaned & lubed everything. I later reported my findings, no problems since. If one took an oiled cloth to the steel cased ammo, they slid much better. Of course that wasn't essential if the action was lubed.

Just saying, never know why a gun jams from a video.
 
tlawler said:
I bet he went out and bought a revolver right after.
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And a new pair of underwear!!

I've been shooting a long time, with many different types, and brands, of guns. On the rare occasion, I've had malfunctions with some of them, but never with a Glock. Those things feed anything, and keep on ticking.

With autos, my malfunctions have almost always been magazine, or ammo related. With proper care and diligence, one can pretty much eliminate those issues. Poor gun handling, grip, and/or lack of training and practice are a whole other situation!
 
lots of things seem to go wrong when your life is threatened . I suggest range time .
 
I perceive Glocks are susceptible to limp-wristing

Borderboss said:
For all the comments I see from Glock people about how super reliable Glocks are, every day I see some video like this where the Glock has failures to feed. Many times it's a badge cam video. I'm not so sure the wonder Glocks are as reliable as stated.
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My first time trying a Glock 19, it jammed. I was relatively new to semi-auto pistols. The owner, who let me try it, identified I was limp-wristing. Once I understood, I was able to shoot it fine.

I don't disparage gunmakers, it's our choice to purchase or not. Glocks are serviceable weapons. It's up to each person to choose what's right for them. None of my other semi auto pistols are so sensitive, so no Glock for me.
 
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