Assault Weapon Ban Petition

With the new laws here a few years ago I registered my sgaias, registered my large capacity magazines, traded in my semi auto rifles that had flash hiders. Not in a few years these laws will be repealed? Then the cycle will start again but I'm buying nothing I'm done.
 
The latest news on this is apparently from around June 18 of this year.

The South Florida Sun Sentinel published a scathing, nauseating, and inflammatory editorial that states in part, "People of Florida, it's up to you. You have the power to help restrict killing machines known as military-style assault weapons..." And so on and so forth.

The hard truth these anti-gunners are having a problem facing up to is that this petition has stalled and will go nowhere.

They still need over 600,000 signatures, and a new Florida law (HB5) that was signed into law last month by Governor Ron DeSantis will make it even harder for the petition to advance.

Quoting from the Sun Sentinel:

"The new state law makes it illegal for citizen initiatives to pay petition-gatherers by the signature, which will further drive up costs. It also requires petition-gatherers to register with the secretary of state, placing another hurdle before those who want to help. And it imposes fines of $50 for every form not submitted within 30 days and $1,000 for forms not returned, creating a chilling effect on those who might want to volunteer." Well, boo-hoo-hoo.

BAWN seems to have gone mostly silent since last month and the signing into law of HB5. They're begging for more money, but donors aren't stepping up.

My opinion is that this petition initiative is on its deathbed. But Florida gun owners still need to stay on top of the situation just in case.
 
Sorry to pop into this thread so late. The present situation suggests that the risk to assault rifles will be federal vs a state-by-state; so much more difficult to ward off this particular effort.

I've been reaching out to legislators, echoing the words of the Lt. Governor of TX recently, since 2012 about 'these guns are not new, it's the first-persons shooter games that are new -- and the mass stranger shootings began when the latter were introduced, not when the guns appeared'.

Something is going to be legislated away; that ship has sailed. Time to choose (and yes, I appreciate that one is a Second Amendment issue and the other is a First Amendment issue). But something's gotta give, I've stayed away from all of USA since 2015 after the Vegas massacre in 2017. And don't plan to return.
 
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I've heard from a buddy that FL is considering a Plan B, which is to criminalize possession of any external magazine with a capacity of over 5 rounds for a center fire rifle or shotgun, 10 rounds for a center fire pistol. They'd have a fair market value buyback of high-cap magazines from individuals, with a max of 10 or 12 mags. Dunno if it's true or conspiracy theory, but it would be consistent with the 90s AWB plus would shut down the 5th Amendment issue (unlawful taking w/o fair compensation).
 
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You can't "buy back" something you never owned in the first place . . .

Edit: The 1994 ban really didn't "criminalize" anything, it just banned new manufacture and sale for civilian use after a certain date. Everything you owned on a date certain you could keep, and you could still buy high capacity magazines manufactured before that date. Pre-ban high capacity magazines were mighty expensive during those years. New manufacture high capacity magazines were marked "For Law Enforcement Use Only," but even those are now circulating in civilian possession after the expiration of the ban in 2004 . . .

I've heard from a buddy that FL is considering a Plan B, which is to criminalize possession of any external magazine with a capacity of over 5 rounds for a center fire rifle or shotgun, 10 rounds for a center fire pistol. They'd have a fair market value buyback of high-cap magazines from individuals, with a max of 10 or 12 mags. Dunno if it's true or conspiracy theory, but it would be consistent with the 90s AWB plus would shut down the 5th Amendment issue (unlawful taking w/o fair compensation).
 
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Sure , keep on trying the same things, the voter demographics keep changing in-between.
Exactly. And demographics in key states are changing very rapidly these days. :(

Thank God I am old. Hopefully, I'll be dead and gone before the 2nd Amendment is abolished by one means or another. :o
 
You can't "buy back" something you never owned in the first place . . .
The fallacy of the "buy back" scheme. No, you did not buy your firearms, magazines, or ammo from the government, so it is not a buy back. It is the use of tax payer funds to take property from the possession of citizens with compensation.

Fair market value? Who determines that? Seems to me a lot of gun buy backs involve $50 to $200 per firearm, with "assault rifles" getting the $200 tag. Are you telling me that a S&W Model 5906 is worth only $50 to $100 or a functioning AR-15 is worth only $200 in a fair market? I think not.
 
You can't "buy back" something you never owned in the first place . . .

Edit: The 1994 ban really didn't "criminalize" anything, it just banned new manufacture and sale for civilian use after a certain date. Everything you owned on a date certain you could keep, and you could still buy high capacity magazines manufactured before that date. Pre-ban high capacity magazines were mighty expensive during those years. New manufacture high capacity magazines were marked "For Law Enforcement Use Only," but even those are now circulating in civilian possession after the expiration of the ban in 2004 . . .

I suggest (seriously) looking at the NZ law, recently enacted. One of the standouts in it is banning firearms CAPABLE of receiving a large capacity magazine, not those HAVING a large capacity magazine. Of course that's anything with a removable magazine; and perhaps including tubular magazines that can be changed out.

I'm not here arguing their point. I'm making my own point: the Feinstein version could never work because she didn't know how to write it in the first place; thumbhole stocks came out immediately to counter it, for example. The NZ folk put more thought into theirs, and someone at the federal level in USA could surely be clever enough to cover all the bases effectively.
 
I don't give a bloody snot what New Zealand or Australia's position is on this issue . . .

I suggest (seriously) looking at the NZ law, recently enacted. One of the standouts in it is banning firearms CAPABLE of receiving a large capacity magazine, not those HAVING a large capacity magazine. Of course that's anything with a removable magazine; and perhaps including tubular magazines that can be changed out.

I'm not here arguing their point. I'm making my own point: the Feinstein version could never work because she didn't know how to write it in the first place; thumbhole stocks came out immediately to counter it, for example. The NZ folk put more thought into theirs, and someone at the federal level in USA could surely be clever enough to cover all the bases effectively.
 
I suggest (seriously) looking at the NZ law, recently enacted. One of the standouts in it is banning firearms CAPABLE of receiving a large capacity magazine, not those HAVING a large capacity magazine. Of course that's anything with a removable magazine; and perhaps including tubular magazines that can be changed out.

I'm not here arguing their point. I'm making my own point: the Feinstein version could never work because she didn't know how to write it in the first place; thumbhole stocks came out immediately to counter it, for example. The NZ folk put more thought into theirs, and someone at the federal level in USA could surely be clever enough to cover all the bases effectively.




Does NZ and Australia have a 2nd Amendment. How about a 3rd, 4th and 5th??


How are those gun regs working out for you all down under??
 
To be frank, poorly-written laws are as damaging to gun rights as well-written ones. In attempting to ban AR-15 pistols here in NY, they managed to ban a lot of 5-shot .22LR/.32 Long bullseye pistols, because the magazine is forward of the trigger.

In short, no new gun laws works fine for me.
 
Rise above your baser instincts for a change. Simply giving you something to look forward to :-)
I hope you're wrong. We've made great sacrifices to bail out the UK in the past. In spite of our problems, we take great pride in not being subjects.

We have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights and that's our highest law in the land.
 
He knows. He used to live here. And make holsters for guns . . .

I don't owe you an explanation; but because we disagree so often on this forum especially about so-called appendix carry, I'll offer the following.

I've been an active member of the firearms industry in USA since 1970; and throughout the '70s, '80s, and '90s appeared at all the major and even minor industry trade shows. NSGA, SHOT, NRA, various police shows, etc. I was chief operating officer for the Bianchi Cup tournament that created professional pistol shooting; i.e., as a money-maker for shooters.

So since living here I have become like the story of the chap who went to sleep for a hundred years and woke up to a different world. But in my case 'it' changed in just_ten_years.

So the USA that I left in '99, was like this: SHOT show did not permit paramilitary exhibits of any kind and even the word 'assault' was not permitted in any signage. This led my first customer for my Nichols Innovation service to change their name from Assault Systems, to Shooting Systems.

There were no silencers available for sale to civilians. The bump stock didn't exist nor was it contemplated. And no intelligent person was ever seen, nor photographed even, carrying a pistol across the belly and muzzling the crotch. Never. None.

Now we're at 1999. Then while I'm living in Victoria Australia until 2010, where even blue guns are illegal; it all changed. So I 'woke up' in 2011 when I moved north to Queensland where they are legal, and reengaged with the shooting community via online, to get up to speed on the state of the art. Hybrid holsters had appeared, otherwise nothing had changed there (today the change is that Safariland has dumped Kydex and shifted their production to full injection molding; sensible because Bill Rogers was always a plastics-only man).

The first shock was belly carry proliferating, incorrectly called appendix carry (which actually is over at 2:00 not 12:00). It took me enduring lots of abuse before I worked out what the conflict was: terminology. Hey, take all the warning labels off and let God sort it out; if that's how shooters want to work it, good on 'em. But I took the decision to make no holsters that could even be carried at the belly. Then I took the decision to make no holsters for striker pistols without external safeties, because I'd worked out that holster makers had taken on the responsibility for making them safe as with 1911s; but that's not possible -- covering the guard or having a strap didn't add back the safety that was missing.

NOW -- during that interval I discover that you all have legalized all kinds of craziness that is well outside of the craziness of silencers and bump stocks in the gun world: the opiod crisis didn't exist in '99, nor was marijuana being sold on street corners in Vegas, nor was being a pornography performer something to put on one's Facebook page, nor were some other things legal that I'm not even allowed to mention here or be called a name.

THAT's how far my beloved USA has slid down the slippery slope. But when I was back in 2015 with my Aussie bride I still was thrilled to be there. OK, I was frankly offended by many of the displays at SHOT. My focus in gunleather has been to promote the sporting use of handguns, and to respect law enforcement's need for handguns in their work and support them.

But I look at the defensive carry subforum here and I wonder: have you all really created a world where you NEED a pistol? Whose dumb idea was open carry? Whose really dumb idea was open carry of assault rifles. Yours (not you, MM, but 'you' who were in charge of USA 1999 to 2019). You all have really made a mess of it.

Now I'm reading posts that deny there is any CAUSE of this? We can agree that assault rifles are not the cause. But there is a cause. So I look at this, like fire. What does it take to make fire: fuel, air, and a spark. We can argue about which the following are, but as with fire, take one away and there can be no fire: human, firearm, active shooter game.

We could eliminate humans. I'm not for that. It's been suggested that we get rid of young males because they're in all these shootings. I'm not for that and they're not the cause. OK, say Democrats, guns are of course used in all these shootings; easy, get rid of them. Again, not the cause. A rifle standing in its rack next to a young man and the rifle will not cause him to go kill strangers. But where did he GET the idea that killing strangers for fun is a good idea? The writings of the Columbine shooters (look at the Wikipedia entry for their dialoges) say: the game Doom, and the film Natural Born Killers.

The natural extension of that has been the Call of Duty Fantasy called out in more recent mass killings.

So: if you all (I'm doing everything I can by writing to politicians and press in USA; and so far Mr. Trump and Mr. LaPierre have listened to me) don't work out the ACTUAL cause (the left-leaning press is shouting that the video game thing is just an excuse by gunnies) you WILL lose the ability to protect your family.

I don't have it here, since the mass shooting here in '99. Now New Zealand doesn't have it since the mass shooting there. And this morning I get told by the construction site next door that their new units, and a nearby house of my neighbors, has been broken into (burgled). Don't got there, chaps, don't let your guns disappear because you haven't worked out the actual cause.

I see on forums that you all don't want government interfering in your lives. I respect that, and boy do I agree. I've been voting 'right' since Nixon. But you all let it get out of control when you let silencers and bump stocks into your world, without saying, 'hey, keep those out of my gun shows. They're a bad idea in my community'. So government is going to step in and 'fix' it for you; and you've only yourselves to blame.
 
Duly noted . . .

I don't owe you an explanation; but because we disagree so often on this forum especially about so-called appendix carry, I'll offer the following.

I've been an active member of the firearms industry in USA since 1970; and throughout the '70s, '80s, and '90s appeared at all the major and even minor industry trade shows. NSGA, SHOT, NRA, various police shows, etc. I was chief operating officer for the Bianchi Cup tournament that created professional pistol shooting; i.e., as a money-maker for shooters.

So since living here I have become like the story of the chap who went to sleep for a hundred years and woke up to a different world. But in my case 'it' changed in just_ten_years.

So the USA that I left in '99, was like this: SHOT show did not permit paramilitary exhibits of any kind and even the word 'assault' was not permitted in any signage. This led my first customer for my Nichols Innovation service to change their name from Assault Systems, to Shooting Systems.

There were no silencers available for sale to civilians. The bump stock didn't exist nor was it contemplated. And no intelligent person was ever seen, nor photographed even, carrying a pistol across the belly and muzzling the crotch. Never. None.

Now we're at 1999. Then while I'm living in Victoria Australia until 2010, where even blue guns are illegal; it all changed. So I 'woke up' in 2011 when I moved north to Queensland where they are legal, and reengaged with the shooting community via online, to get up to speed on the state of the art. Hybrid holsters had appeared, otherwise nothing had changed there (today the change is that Safariland has dumped Kydex and shifted their production to full injection molding; sensible because Bill Rogers was always a plastics-only man).

The first shock was belly carry proliferating, incorrectly called appendix carry (which actually is over at 2:00 not 12:00). It took me enduring lots of abuse before I worked out what the conflict was: terminology. Hey, take all the warning labels off and let God sort it out; if that's how shooters want to work it, good on 'em. But I took the decision to make no holsters that could even be carried at the belly. Then I took the decision to make no holsters for striker pistols without external safeties, because I'd worked out that holster makers had taken on the responsibility for making them safe as with 1911s; but that's not possible -- covering the guard or having a strap didn't add back the safety that was missing.

NOW -- during that interval I discover that you all have legalized all kinds of craziness that is well outside of the craziness of silencers and bump stocks in the gun world: the opiod crisis didn't exist in '99, nor was marijuana being sold on street corners in Vegas, nor was being a pornography performer something to put on one's Facebook page, nor were some other things legal that I'm not even allowed to mention here or be called a name.

THAT's how far my beloved USA has slid down the slippery slope. But when I was back in 2015 with my Aussie bride I still was thrilled to be there. OK, I was frankly offended by many of the displays at SHOT. My focus in gunleather has been to promote the sporting use of handguns, and to respect law enforcement's need for handguns in their work and support them.

But I look at the defensive carry subforum here and I wonder: have you all really created a world where you NEED a pistol? Whose dumb idea was open carry? Whose really dumb idea was open carry of assault rifles. Yours (not you, MM, but 'you' who were in charge of USA 1999 to 2019). You all have really made a mess of it.

Now I'm reading posts that deny there is any CAUSE of this? We can agree that assault rifles are not the cause. But there is a cause. So I look at this, like fire. What does it take to make fire: fuel, air, and a spark. We can argue about which the following are, but as with fire, take one away and there can be no fire: human, firearm, active shooter game.

We could eliminate humans. I'm not for that. It's been suggested that we get rid of young males because they're in all these shootings. I'm not for that and they're not the cause. OK, say Democrats, guns are of course used in all these shootings; easy, get rid of them. Again, not the cause. A rifle standing in its rack next to a young man and the rifle will not cause him to go kill strangers. But where did he GET the idea that killing strangers for fun is a good idea? The writings of the Columbine shooters (look at the Wikipedia entry for their dialoges) say: the game Doom, and the film Natural Born Killers.

The natural extension of that has been the Call of Duty Fantasy called out in more recent mass killings.

So: if you all (I'm doing everything I can by writing to politicians and press in USA; and so far Mr. Trump and Mr. LaPierre have listened to me) don't work out the ACTUAL cause (the left-leaning press is shouting that the video game thing is just an excuse by gunnies) you WILL lose the ability to protect your family.

I don't have it here, since the mass shooting here in '99. Now New Zealand doesn't have it since the mass shooting there. And this morning I get told by the construction site next door that their new units, and a nearby house of my neighbors, has been broken into (burgled). Don't got there, chaps, don't let your guns disappear because you haven't worked out the actual cause.

I see on forums that you all don't want government interfering in your lives. I respect that, and boy do I agree. I've been voting 'right' since Nixon. But you all let it get out of control when you let silencers and bump stocks into your world, without saying, 'hey, keep those out of my gun shows. They're a bad idea in my community'. So government is going to step in and 'fix' it for you; and you've only yourselves to blame.
 
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