I know, but the scope doesn't sit directly on the rail. There's an interface, with rings, etc, and heights and angles vary, and that's what I was referring to . . .
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I know, but the scope doesn't sit directly on the rail. There's an interface, with rings, etc, and heights and angles vary, and that's what I was referring to . . .
Yep, Zombie John is a braver man than I, to be dropping the hammer on a 500 that isn't right.
You wont get a replacement gun for an out of time gun that can be corrected. You wont get a replacement gun because your scope does not align with your POI. Rings and scope are suspect here and the factory has nothing to do with that if they are not S&W items. Send it back for the timing repair. Be sure you have proper rings, center the scope back to mechanical zero and sight it in at 25 yards before you venture further. Tell the forum what rings and scope you are using with a pic if possible. Nobody here knows your knowledge base or abilities. A handgun, especially a 500 is a very hard gun to master for a novice.
Two times back to the factory for a complicated issue is not abnormal. The rep on the phone can't do anything more than arrange payment for your shipping.
Send it back again, with a detailed letter of what you want looked at.
Unless they find a serious issue, they are not going to offer a new gun. But the gunsmith looks only at the item you detail. I've sent guns back five and six times before magic happened, and they found the issues.
Send it back again, with a detailed letter of what you want looked at.
Unless they find a serious issue, they are not going to offer a new gun. But the gunsmith looks only at the item you detail. I've sent guns back five and six times before magic happened, and they found the issues.
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Yes. As said in my OP, I shimmed the scope and was able to make it work. Cut up a Coke can and used that in between the rings and scope.
That was also before I noticed it was out of time.
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I understand that no one here knows me. That does make internet troubleshooting frustrating sometimes.
Scopes used were Bushnell Trophy Handgun 2-6x32 and Nikon Force XR 2.5-8x28. Rings used were basic Weaver rings and three Nikon S-Series rings.
All ****s were from a rest at anywhere from 20 to 60 yards.
All combinations ended up with the Nikon and Bushnell scopes printing 1" or so patterns right on top of each other.
All patterns started out 2-3' low until walked up to within 2-3" of point of aim. That was when both scopes ran out of elevation.
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Here's the video that got me to looking at mine to see if it was in time or not.
Before I sent it in, mine was like this guy's gun. Out of time even with no drag on the cylinder.
After I got the gun back, it locked up every time even with some drag on the cylinder.
After shooting 9 times, my gun is again like the guys gun in this video, but this time some drag is required to make it happen.
If you tell me I'm overreacting, I'll be happy.
Here's the video that got me to looking at mine to see if it was in time or not.
Before I sent it in, mine was like this guy's gun. Out of time even with no drag on the cylinder.
After I got the gun back, it locked up every time even with some drag on the cylinder.
After shooting 9 times, my gun is again like the guys gun in this video, but this time some drag is required to make it happen.
If you tell me I'm overreacting, I'll be happy.
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Zombie;
Over the years, I have seen both rifles and revolvers have problems with POI when using scopes. A good number of years ago, I discovered Burris Signature Rings. The rings have offset inserts that allow you to zero properly in spite of scope, mount, platform incompatibilities. I have NEVER had those rings fail to solve the problem. They are not terribly expensive, either.
Just be sure to get the correct model for your particular mount and you are "good to go". All Burris dealers should have those rings. Get a set of extra inserts because they have differing amounts of offset.
Signature Rings™ | Burris Optics
Good luck and do NOT loose hope - those rings will solve your scope problem.
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Over the years, I have seen both rifles and revolvers have problems with POI when using scopes. A good number of years ago, I discovered Burris Signature Rings. The rings have offset inserts that allow you to zero properly in spite of scope, mount, platform incompatibilities. I have NEVER had those rings fail to solve the problem. They are not terribly expensive, either.
Just be sure to get the correct model for your particular mount and you are "good to go". All Burris dealers should have those rings. Get a set of extra inserts because they have differing amounts of offset.
Signature Rings™ | Burris Optics
Good luck and do NOT loose hope - those rings will solve your scope problem.
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They don't look like they fit picatinny rails. I guess I could buy a mount that those fit to go on my rail.
Yeah, I hope.....
...I hope you get back a masterpieces of the gun maker's art. They probably didn't even check the timing. The shim may be 'tacky' but if it's fixed, doesn't how and now shoots on target I consider it fixed. The timing is a different issue. Tell them about that problem specifically.
...I hope you get back a masterpieces of the gun maker's art. They probably didn't even check the timing. The shim may be 'tacky' but if it's fixed, doesn't how and now shoots on target I consider it fixed. The timing is a different issue. Tell them about that problem specifically.
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Zombie;
They DO have a model that fits Pickatinny rails. Download the PDF in the link for further information.
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They DO have a model that fits Pickatinny rails. Download the PDF in the link for further information.
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Awesome. Thank you!
It seems ok to you that it had to go back 5-6 times to get it right? That would sour me on any manufacturer for a very long time.
