avoid buying overpriced ammo from gun broker

Did anyone else hear Banjos when Glockboy talked?

Ok seriously through this I am quite surprised how many "gun Owners" really must stop at Wally World on the way to shoot. My brother inlaw yesterday told me about his box of 50 22 he had and told his son not to shoot unless its worth shooting at its too valuable right now

Over the years I am in a store I see a fair deal on ammo I pick up a box or two a good deal maybe 10 Today I am set I dont need to pay the high prices. I have shared with a few friends (and share with me) who needed ammo and either said just replace it to me when you can or I know the LGS is selling this for XXX when he gets it take your choice.

I was at a store today and they had brass 9mm for 9.95 they had a two box limit OK I got my 2 if there was not a limit I would have bought 5 or 10 this is my target price for 9mm I have a couple Colt ARs in 9 with quite a few Semis and its easy to burn lots AND FUN TO BURN LOTS.
But am am slowing down I have bought stored cared for this ammo its for me and my family to enjoy
Hank
 
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We must its growing
Kinda like does anyone care about Springer someone must its been on for 20 years (OK you got me if I am in my office working its on)
Please keep it a secret
Hank
 
perfectcircle1 said:
Does anyone care about this thread?

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Apparently so, there have been 60+ responces.

I'm in no way individually wealthy, when I decided that I wanted to add an AR to my collection, I started picking up 223 before I even recieved the rifle.

I was fortunate and picked up 300 rounds from Cabelas right after Thankfiving for $99.00.

I returned a week later and picked up another 300 for the same price.

Since then, I pick up a box here and there when I can find it at my LGS, gun show, or WalMart and I've added 600+ more rounds to my cache.

No huge outlay of cash, just being diligent and made buying ammo a priority. I've sacrificed many a fast food lunch the last few months and instead used that to purchase ammo.

It can be done without resorting to buying from the inflated secondary market.
 
KJM said:
Got no ammo either,huh?
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Nope. I've got plenty. In fact, I dumped a bunch of 9mm duty ammo I no longer had a need for at my LGS before the panic buying started, and probably not a moment too soon either.

Sorry guy. You were hoping I was the grasshopper and not the ant, weren't ya? :D
 
unbrkn said:
Only reason I am upset is because I am a new gun owner, and have only put 50 overly priced reloaded rounds through it, because I can't find ammo to shoot, and ranges charge WAY too much for theirs. It actually makes me want to sell everything I have, and just forget I was even interested in my rights as an American.
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Waaaa Waaa Waaaa. Now your rights are being trampled on because ammo costs more? :confused:

Ammo is available. Period. If you want it, pay the going rate! Everyone who is buying ammo is paying the going rate, whether they buy from Walmart or gun broker.

But if you want to sell that new gun of yours, I'll give you 50% of what you paid for it. It is used after all.
 
CoMF said:
Nope. I've got plenty. In fact, I dumped a bunch of 9mm duty ammo I no longer had a need for at my LGS before the panic buying started, and probably not a moment too soon either.

Sorry guy. You were hoping I was the grasshopper and not the ant, weren't ya? :D
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No...but now I see more clearly.

You sold YOUR ammo BEFORE the price rise and are upset you missed out on a great opportunity.
 
KJM said:
No...but now I see more clearly.

You sold YOUR ammo BEFORE the price rise and are upset you missed out on a great opportunity.
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Nah. I still made a good chunk of money from selling 50+ boxes at $10 a box, plus I was happy to do business with the owner of my LGS who's been really good to me over the years. He also deserved to make a profit by virtue of being the owner of a brick and mortar business who actually reinvests his profits into capital (i.e. his business) unlike opportunistic scalpers who are looking for short term gains by feeding off of the desperation of others.

Anything else you'd like to add? Your assumptions are most entertaining.
 
CoMF said:
... I was happy to do business with the owner of my LGS who's been really good to me over the years. He also deserved to make a profit by virtue of being the owner of a brick and mortar business who actually reinvests his profits into capital ...
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So:
By not forcing the store owner to purchase his stock at the going rate (the market price) you are subsidizing him "for the good of the public."

Or:
You are simply helping out a friend in need - which I think all of us would do in a heartbeat.:D
 
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CoMF said:
Nah. I still made a good chunk of money from selling 50+ boxes at $10 a box, plus I was happy to do business with the owner of my LGS who's been really good to me over the years. He also deserved to make a profit by virtue of being the owner of a brick and mortar business who actually reinvests his profits into capital (i.e. his business) unlike opportunistic scalpers who are looking for short term gains by feeding off of the desperation of others.

Anything else you'd like to add? Your assumptions are most entertaining.
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Yeah..let me know next time your "LGS" who has been so "good to you over the years" sells to you at cost.

Anyone who had the brains to lay out x amount of dollars, and is now selling at a profit is smart, not feeding off the desperation of others, as no one has to pay a nickel more than they want to. ( ie: free market)

Anything else you'd like to add? Your opinion of how markets work are most entertaining.

I see you are of the "buy high, sell low" mentality.

And who, by the way, gave you authority to proclaim who "deserves" to make money on ANYTHING?
 
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I just don't like the people who have no firearm background going and buying all sorts of ammo for the purpose of resale online. it is hard for me to find ammo because when the store opens, i'm at work. by the time i'm off, no ammo. I live in Illinois so you cannot buy ammo online. the store is my only option. now if I were to get a ffl, it could be shipped to me.
 
I stocked up on 40 S&W before everything got so crazy. I'm a pretty new shooter and need the practice. I'm not going to sell any for any reason. Not buying either, unless It's a great buy.
 
In the summer of 2011 and 2012 (hopefully this year too) I used to flip vintage Honda motorcycles. I could buy a CB900 custom for a couple hundred bucks, put a few hours of work into it, and spin it for +/- $1,000. A profit of $800 is great, at least for a side-job.

Ammo is the same way. If you can buy it for $10 a box and sell it for $30, by all means do so. If you are concerned about the gouging, do what I did and either A) Stock up after this storm rolls over, or B) start reloading and stock up on supplies.

I listed up five boxes of 9mm Tulammo on Armslist with "make offer" as the price. I paid $10 a box and was willing to sell it all for what I had paid. I got 20+ emails offering $20/box. THEY offered it, not ME. If one person offers you $10, and the other offers $20, who are you going to sell it to?

I do partly agree with you though- if people stopped feeding into it, the market would eventually flood with ammo, making it become cheaper. Its all about supply and demand, and what people are willing to pay.
 
blujax01 said:
So:
By not forcing the store owner to purchase his stock at the going rate (the market price) you are subsidizing him "for the good of the public."
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More like for the good of his business. Added foot traffic is meaningless when you've got nothing to sell.

blujax01 said:
Or:
You are simply helping out a friend in need - which I think all of us would do in a heartbeat.:D
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I repay those who are good to me; it's the least I can do.
 
KJM said:
Yeah..let me know next time your "LGS" who has been so "good to you over the years" sells to you at cost.
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Not at cost, but damn near cost, especially when I make big purchases. Always has, still does. Jealous? ;)

KJM said:
Anyone who had the brains to lay out x amount of dollars, and is now selling at a profit is smart, not feeding off the desperation of others, as no one has to pay a nickel more than they want to. ( ie: free market)
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Anyone who cleans the ammo shelves of a brick and mortar for the sole purpose of auctioning it all off on Gonzo Broker for 2-3x retail price or more is a greedy opportunist. You'll get no sympathy or praise from me for doing that, and you can be rest assured that I'll encourage others not to do business with you.

KJM said:
Anything else you'd like to add? Your opinion of how markets work are most entertaining.
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My opinion is also more educated and informed, but I'm glad you at least find it entertaining.

KJM said:
I see you are of the "buy high, sell low" mentality.
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I bought the overwhelming bulk of my stores back before the panic when the prices were some semblance of "normal." I'll leave others to judge the merit of your statement.

KJM said:
And who, by the way, gave you authority to proclaim who "deserves" to make money on ANYTHING?
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The first article of the Bill of Rights, that's who. Get used to it.
 
The "debate" thus far...

On the one hand, you have the folks who are bitter (and perhaps rightfully so) because they came into the game too late and are now are forced to hunt for ammo or buy it at grossly inflated prices.

On the other hand, you have the curmudgeons who, predictably, dismiss the former as a bunch of whiners and go on to extol the "virtues" of being a greedy profiteer under the guise of "capitalism" and then proceed to defend such behavior as if it were sacrosanct.

Meanwhile, the people who try to bring some reason into the mix and present some very sound and well thought-out posts get squelched out by the humdrum of the arguments from the aforementioned groups.

Before this thread gets a lock put on it, I'm just gonna close with the following:

Is there anything stopping you from going out, buying up all the ammo you can find, and selling it for inflated prices on the secondary market? No. Should we vote with our wallets and not support these people, even if it means that we probably won't be able to buy any ammo in any meaningful amounts for the forseeable future? ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY.

Now... If you were smart, you would've steadily built your stores piecemeal while the prices (and people) were mostly sane. If you waited until now to do this, you've only got yourself to blame when all you can find are bare shelves or insane listings on auction sites. If you're buying up ammo en masse to build your stores quickly because you lacked the foresight to do it gradually over the years, you're adding to the chaos and compounding the "problem." Is there anything stopping you? No, but I reserve the right to criticize you for failing to plan ahead like you should have.

If the price is too high, then you should not buy.

If we all abided by this simple maxim until the storm has been weathered, I think it would do a world of good for our collective sanity and well-being.

We're done here. Mods, slap the lock on.
 
You may be done. Others of us may not.

How you choose to feel about the ammunition situation and how you choose to define the lines between socialism, capitalism and profiteering is your own opinion and you are welcome to it.

However - when you start to preach about how we should do this or how we would be better off if only we thought and acted like you gets into a completely different territory. To those who choose to have a differing opinion You hurl insults and apply derogatory labels. And when you take that tack, I choose the obviously intelligent solution:

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My Russian mail-order bride's mother has the daily job of going to various gunshops and WalleyWorlds shopping for ammo when the trucks arrive. She does a great job and she says it makes her feel like being back home in the old days in the USSR when she had to wait in long lines to get a little bit of meat at the markets. She has decades of experience with that sort of thing.

P.S. - no, I'm only kidding. I don't have a mailorder bride and dont have a Russian mother-in-law !

These kinda threads are good for b%tching & moaning, but little else. (And I like to b%tch & moan sometimes as much as the next guy.) People will place a value for ammo or anything else, and pay what its worth to them personally. And the price is set by supply & demand. If your supply is in pretty good shape, you may not be willing to pay as much as a guy who didnt stock up. If you come to this forum, you have enough resources to have a computer and pay for the internet service. You have enough resources to own a firearm or two or three. If youre short on ammo you may decide to eliminate the $5 cups of Starbucks or the monthly cable t.v. bill if ammo is a high enough priority for you.
My supply is in pretty good shape; I havent overpaid for any of the ammo I bought since the panic. But there's some 22LR that I wish I had picked up earlier that some of my CZ rifles like. Can't find it online anywhere except at auction sites. Auction prices are above what I'm willing to pay so far. I'm hoping to score a brick or two from my regular sources. But the auction prices on this stuff is slowly heading down, and there's a price I'm willing to pay for it. That price is quite abit above what it went for 6 months ago. I can choose to pay that higher price or gamble that the supply will become available some unknown time in the future.
Everyone else makes these same kind of calculations for themselves when buying anything. Some guy writing 'don't buy X' isnt going to change those personal calculations.
 
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erick1987 said:
if anyone is buying overpriced ammo from gun broker, AVOID buying overpriced ammo from them or other auction sites. this is great insight on why things are the way the are. :mad:

The Ammo Shortage is an Illusion - YouTube
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Didn't watch the video because its nothing more than a bunch of crybabys who are too lazy to get out there and find the ammo they need and blaming others because they cant find ammo. Its out there and all you have to do is get off your backside and go get it.

If this disabled old woman can wait outsde of an Academy with her walker, for 2 hours before it opens at 8am in the January cold and wind you young bucks can do the same thing. I swear what a bunch of lazy wussies.
 
ladyT said:
Didn't watch the video because its nothing more than a bunch of crybabys who are too lazy to get out there and find the ammo they need and blaming others because they cant find ammo. Its out there and all you have to do is get off your backside and go get it.

If this disabled old woman can wait outsde of an Academy with her walker, for 2 hours before it opens at 8am in the January cold and wind you young bucks can do the same thing. I swear what a bunch of lazy wussies.
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Or some people, like myself, work long before 8 am until long after the stores are closed. Guess I shouldn't be able to shoot because I'm so lazy.

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ladyT said:
Didn't watch the video because its nothing more than a bunch of crybabys who are too lazy to get out there and find the ammo they need and blaming others because they cant find ammo. Its out there and all you have to do is get off your backside and go get it.

If this disabled old woman can wait outsde of an Academy with her walker, for 2 hours before it opens at 8am in the January cold and wind you young bucks can do the same thing. I swear what a bunch of lazy wussies.
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yea, I took off work to stand in line at cabelas for an hour while it was snowing and I got some ammo. I got lucky but i'm not going to use all my vacation time to find ammo when I can be spending it with my family. i'm 25 and work full time. lay off grandma.:D this is a thread for your opinion, not to judge us.
 
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CoMF said:
Now... If you were smart, you would've steadily built your stores piecemeal while the prices (and people) were mostly sane. If you waited until now to do this, you've only got yourself to blame when all you can find are bare shelves or insane listings on auction sites. If you're buying up ammo en masse to build your stores quickly because you lacked the foresight to do it gradually over the years, you're adding to the chaos and compounding the "problem." Is there anything stopping you? No, but I reserve the right to criticize you for failing to plan ahead like you should have.

If the price is too high, then you should not buy.

If we all abided by this simple maxim until the storm has been weathered, I think it would do a world of good for our collective sanity and well-being.
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This is where I'm at. I'm old enough to remember the Gun Control Act of 1968. I got caught light on primers in 1994, but had enough to ride it out. I didn't allow it to happen to me again in 2008 or 2012. My wife, my adult children, and I can shoot at our current rates for a couple of years, and that includes some organized competition.

I feel for those shooters that came into this late. All I can say is don't let it happen to you again and don't pay ridiculous prices. This too shall pass.
 
I bought my sd40 at the end of december and it was my first common caliber purchase. I have a mosin that I can still buy all the ammo I want for. Im basically screwed, I was worried that i couldnt get ammo for my cc class. I actually had to wait till another class date because I couldnt replace what I was going to shoot for the class. Its taken me almost 4 months to get a few hundred rounds stocked up without paying a buck a round for fmj's. Im all for making money, but when it means someone cant take a simple nra firearms safety course because of some tool walking around the gun store with a wheelbarrel full of ammo, I have a big problem with that.
 
Well, there's Reality and theres what we'd like to be reality.

I can buy the 22LR ammo I want in the case quantity I want and have it in hand in about a week or so after paying for it.
But its gonna run me more than $65+ per brick.

I can pay that and have the ammo. Or I can choose not to pay that and keep my money.

I can 'hope' that it becomes available by the summer at lower prices than $65 per brick. But that means having little of it to shoot today, as my stocks arent great. Some are confident that the ammo situation will improve. Maybe . . . maybe not. "Normalcy bias" is believing tomorrow will be like yesterday. Its usually true . . . and sometimes it isn't.

What is NOT reality is being able to buy that same 22LR ammo today at the $30 a brick price I paid 6 months ago. All the whining I may do about that won't change that fact one bit.

But, so far, I havent been willing to pay the price to get that 22LR ammo.

If I want the ammo Now, I have to offer a guy enough money to coax him to let go of some.
I have ammo (and guns) that I'm not willing to sell at current market prices, even though they are high. I'd rather have the ammo than the money, and I'm sure other guys think the same.
 
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