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Rule3 said:
Good grief, do we really need to "relive" the atrocities of the Nazis past?? Get enough bad news every day

Please don't quote those who can not remember the past..........

Tune into Marksville LA. (Today)
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Your reply seems a bit histrionic to me. I don't think the OP was suggesting that anyone relive the atrocities. Nor did it require such a response.

Like many other days (of remembrance) which are commemorated, it is something worth remembering and learning from.
 
Like so many other incidents in history modern teachings would rather you not know about.

The truth is, humans are not really that nice to each other. There have always been oppressors, and the oppressed. The degree of oppression has always been dictated by the oppressed's ability to resist.
 
Rule3 said:
Good grief, do we really need to "relive" the atrocities of the Nazis past??
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Unfortunately, yes we do, as one means of ensuring that we never allow it to happen again. As long as there are Holocaust deniers in this world, as long as there are young people who are unable even to place WW2 in the correct century, much less remember the horrors that the Nazis perpetrated, as long as there are those who, knowing all that the Nazis did, still display the swastika, yes we do.
 
blues7 said:
Your reply seems a bit histrionic to me. I don't think the OP was suggesting that anyone relive the atrocities. Nor did it require such a response.

Like many other days (of remembrance) which are commemorated, it is something worth remembering and learning from.
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You know what the OP was "thinking"

"I'm sure there's a lesson about resistance to genocide and the disarming of citizens in there somewhere."

Such a bright cheery subjectGuess I am just tired of all the horrible stuff in the news lately. I do not need anymore horrible stuff from 75 years ago.

Perhaps just remember the whole Holocaust every day, every minute say 1933 to 1945?

Just saw on the Discovery channel or History the Nazis where all Meth Heads.
 
Rule3 said:
You know what the OP was "thinking"

"I'm sure there's a lesson about resistance to genocide and the disarming of citizens in there somewhere."

Such a bright cheery subjectGuess I am just tired of all the horrible stuff in the news lately. I do not need anymore horrible stuff from 75 years ago.

Perhaps just remember the whole Holocaust every day, every minute say 1933 to 1945?

Just saw on the Discovery channel or History the Nazis where all Meth Heads.
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Not to sound rude but, you have no clue do you? Forget history, the past CAN and WILL be repeated.
 
Rule3 said:
You know what the OP was "thinking"
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He seems to have a pretty good grasp of it.

Rule3 said:
[/I]Such a bright cheery subjectGuess I am just tired of all the horrible stuff in the news lately. I do not need anymore horrible stuff from 75 years ago.
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The internet is full of cute cat videos and meme posters, if that's what you're interested in.

Rule3 said:
Perhaps just remember the whole Holocaust every day, every minute say 1933 to 1945?
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Or you can forget the whole Holocaust.

Rule3 said:
Just saw on the Discovery channel or History the Nazis where all Meth Heads.
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Hitler certainly was. Fortunately for the rest of the world, it negatively impacted his judgment.
 
Rule3 said:
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[/I]Such a bright cheery subjectGuess I am just tired of all the horrible stuff in the news lately. I do not need anymore horrible stuff from 75 years ago.

Perhaps just remember the whole Holocaust every day, every minute say 1933 to 1945?
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Actually, this is exactly what's needed for people these days who are constantly whining about how horrible things supposedly are and who manage to scare themselves into believing we live in terrible times:

An occasional reminder from history what it really looks like when times are actually terrible and horrible things do happen.
 
50 years ago I heard Yevtushenko recite his poem at Princeton University.
I like to quote the line uttered by the Walter Matthau character in "Fail Safe".
"How far do you think Hitler would have gotten if every Jew he went after had a gun in his hand?!"
And:
"History repeats itself. The plot never changes, only the cast of characters."
 
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chopshopcop said:
Someday, probably sooner than you think, someone will be asking why we commemorate 9/11
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Sadly true.

History--real, carefully researched, warts-and-all history from various viewpoints, not watered-down, sugar-coated, prettified history promoting a single narrow world view, is a priceless treasure.

To the degree that we ignore it, we risk even greater disasters.

It's not necessary for those of us who aren't full-time historians to obsess about it 24/7/365, but we had damned well better not forget it or fail to study it.

Here endeth the rant by a former history major. :)
 
shouldazagged said:
Sadly true.

History--real, carefully researched, warts-and-all history from various viewpoints, not watered-down, sugar-coated, prettified history promoting a single narrow world view, is a priceless treasure.

To the degree that we ignore it, we risk even greater disasters.

It's not necessary for those of us who aren't full-time historians to obsess about it 24/7/365, but we had damned well better not forget it or fail to study it.

Here endeth the rant by a former history major. :)
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Some people want to erase history, because they'd like to repeat it.

I'm always amused by the revisionists and deniers. They can't seem to be able to choose between "It never happened!" and "I wish it had been more successful!"
 
I have studied world history a lot, and I am always surprised why the jews holocaust is always remembered, and others like the Armenian, the Tutsi in Ruanda, the cambodian under Pol Pot, the numerous under the USSR, the gypsies, and ton of others, are always forgotten. Still searching why the jew holocaust is usually the only one considered, like if they where the only valid victims on this world.
 
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JavierLaurido said:
I have studied world history a lot, and I am always surprised why the jews holocaust is always remembered, and others like the Armenian, the Tutsi in Ruanda, the cambodian under Pol Pot, the numerous under the USSR, the gypsies, and ton of others, are always forgotten. Still searching why the jew holocaust is usually the only one considered, like if they where the only valid victims on this world.
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Quite simply, the modern and larger mass exterminations were committed by regimes which still exist, although slightly tidied up in their presentation. The Chinese, the Soviet socialist and their modern day practicioners, but todays "liberal" refuses to recognize the ongoing slaughter and quest for global tyranny.
[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE[/ame]

Venezuela, Honduras, Syria, even Mexico. One might even consider the overall bodycount in Americas major cities....
 
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Rule3 said:
Good grief, do we really need to "relive" the atrocities of the Nazis past?? Get enough bad news every day

Please don't quote those who can not remember the past..........

Tune into Marksville LA. (Today)
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I think it's important to commemorate such events, and yes, to remember them. And just because you are tired of hearing that famous quote, doesn't make it less valid...
 
One of the most powerful books I have ever read is Justice at Nuremberg, by Robert Conot. It is THE definitive account of the war crimes trials which took place after the war. It is exhaustively detailed, and the author explains that this was necessary so the reader would truly understand what happened.

The massacre at Babi Yar is a heartbreaking part of this book...you will weep when reading about it. But it will illustrate for you, like nothing else I've ever read, what happens when people surrender their consciences to the State, and believe that following orders is a higher priority than anything else...

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JavierLaurido said:
I have studied world history a lot, and I am always surprised why the jews holocaust is always remembered, and others like the Armenian, the Tutsi in Ruanda, the cambodian under Pol Pot, the numerous under the USSR, the gypsies, and ton of others, are always forgotten. Still searching why the jew holocaust is usually the only one considered, like if they where the only valid victims on this world.
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Some of us know about all of those.

The Shoah is remembered largely for its size, geographic scope and comprehensive nature.

I don't recall the Turks demanding that the Germans send their Armenians to Anatolia to be exterminated during WWI.
 
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