Backgroung Check delayed in AZ

[Arizona Commander]

So I went to my LGS of Friday and bought a used S&W revolver. I completed all of the paperwork and after about a 30 minutes was told my transfer had been 'delayed.'

OK, not real happy but its good to know they are actually checking. I received a call today (Monday) telling me I had cleared (no surprise to me). When I went to pick up my new revolver I asked the clerk if she knew why I had been delayed and she said she did not.

I began to tell her that I have multiple security clearances, USMS, ICE, DHS and was worried something may come up on my next renewal and she said this was probably the reason. She then told me that the 'Level 1' approvers could not see all of my information and the clearance needed to go to the 'next level' for approval.

I have had these clearances for years and never been delayed before. My clearances are not Secret or anything fancy/special and this sounds like BS to me. Thoughts?

 

[Muss Muggins]

Some nice fella' about your age, with similar other identifiers and a similar SSN, has decided to interact unfavorably with the criminal justice system since you last purchased a firearm. I've got my own doppleganger that occasionally causes me a minor issue, even with a UPIN . . .

Edit: She really didn't care about anything you were telling her about your past, and that conversation wasn't going to move things along any faster. "Oh, I'm sorry, you're a Navy Seal? Proceed, of course . . ."

 

[Arizona Commander]

I'm not a SEAl or even anything close (Bless those who are) just seemed kind of odd to me.

 

[H Richard]

It could have been something as simple as the computer was down for an update.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'm not a SEAl or even anything close (Bless those who are) just seemed kind of odd to me.

That was sarcasm.

 

[DWalt]

All should be aware that very recently the U. S. House has passed a bill which has the potential of slowing background check completions greatly. Hopefully it will get nowhere in the Senate. Does AZ have a law allowing concealed permit holders to skip the background check?

 

[eb07]

Get your concealed weapons permit and avoid the wait.

 

[df06]

It happens occaisonally. I don't have any special clearances. But I get a delay, including one on a shotgun two weeks ago.

 

[Arizona Commander]

All should be aware that very recently the U. S. House has passed a bill which has the potential of slowing background check completions greatly. Hopefully it will get nowhere in the Senate. Does AZ have a law allowing concealed permit holders to skip the background check?

AZ does, it also allows concealed carry with out a permit, I let mine lapse when they removed the requirement for the permit.

 

[Arizona Commander]

Get your concealed weapons permit and avoid the wait.

AZ does not require a permit to carry concealed. When they did I had one however even though the law did not require those with CCW's to go thru the Instacheck system most dealers did it any way, I think this was their way of trying to limit their liability in the event someone did something stupid (Remember AZ was ground Zero for Holder's ATF's Operation Fast and Furious).

 

[eb07]

AZ does not require a permit to carry concealed. When they did I had one however even though the law did not require those with CCW's to go thru the Instacheck system most dealers did it any way, I think this was their way of trying to limit their liability in the event someone did something stupid (Remember AZ was ground Zero for Holder's ATF's Operation Fast and Furious).

So what? I have had mine since 95. I get to carry in other states. I avoid waits for background checks. I can carry in restaurants that serve alcohol Since 95 I have never encountered one of those dealers you speak about. I'm in and I'm out as fast as the inspection, paperwork, and payment can be completed. No phone calls. No wait. Ever.

 

[Arizona Commander]

So what? I have had mine since 95. I get to carry in other states. I avoid waits for background checks. I can carry in restaurants that serve alcohol Since 95 I have never encountered one of those dealers you speak about. I'm in and I'm out as fast as the inspection, paperwork, and payment can be completed. No phone calls. No wait. Ever.

I am happy to hear your experience has been different than mine.

 

[doublesharp]

So what? I have had mine since 95. I get to carry in other states. I avoid waits for background checks. I can carry in restaurants that serve alcohol Since 95 I have never encountered one of those dealers you speak about. I'm in and I'm out as fast as the inspection, paperwork, and payment can be completed. No phone calls. No wait. Ever.

Do you get any break on the transfer fee?

 

[LVSteve]

You can be cleared to the nuclear command codes and it makes NO difference to the 4473 check if the "similar name with a record" event happens.

 

[Old TexMex]

Further inquiries would probably result in further delays next time round... sometimes it's best to just let sleeping dogs lie.
Might well have just been someone was out with the flu.

 

[Arizona Commander]

That I got delayed is not an issue for me, As I previously stated I am glad they are checking but I still call BS on the clerks statement that my background was delayed because of my previous clearance.

 

[Old TexMex]

"The pressure to surrender to external control will always be part of the human condition;
resistance to that pressure is part of what it means to be free."
(Scheflin & Opton, "The Mind Manipulators " 1978)

 

[g-dad]

AZ does not require a permit to carry concealed. When they did I had one however even though the law did not require those with CCW's to go thru the Instacheck system most dealers did it any way, I think this was their way of trying to limit their liability in the event someone did something stupid (Remember AZ was ground Zero for Holder's ATF's Operation Fast and Furious).

But, at least in NC (for now) having a CCP makes FTF transactions possible. No background check necessary. Already done when the permit was issued. YMMV

 

[Ματθιας]

Was the clerk you last talked to the one who actually did the initial check?

If not, she probably doesn't know nor care and was just giving you an answer, any answer, to get you to go away and stop asking her questions.

I wouldn't worry.

 

[Kanewpadle]

A background check must be done on each and every gun you buy from a dealer. Security clearances past or present mean nothing.

Delays can be caused for different reasons. As Muss said, some dummy with a name very similar to yours committed a crime. Or sometimes the folks at NICS are too busy or short handed to immediately process the checks. So they get delayed.

If the dealer is using the E-Check system, for all you know the dealers computer could have frozen.

Back when we called in background checks, every once in a while we were elevated to a tier two agent. That normally happen with common names like John Smith. That's were the UPI number helps.

 

[Arizona Commander]

Was the clerk you last talked to the one who actually did the initial check?

If not, she probably doesn't know nor care and was just giving you an answer, any answer, to get you to go away and stop asking her questions.

I wouldn't worry.

it was the same young lady and you are probably right, she just wanted to be done with me and on to the next sale. No worries here.

 

[pawngal]

Speaking as an FFL, (not in AZ) I have no access as to why someone is delayed or denied. In past experiences with NICS since the beginning, many of the delays I have had were former military or law enforcement or those with security clearances. Is that just a fluke? Maybe, but it is curious.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Speaking as an FFL, (not in AZ) I have no access as to why someone is delayed or denied. In past experiences with NICS since the beginning, many of the delays I have had were former military or law enforcement or those with security clearances. Is that just a fluke? Maybe, but it is curious.

Don't you love it when people demand you tell them why they were delayed or denied?

 

[Tom Beavert]

A background check must be done on each and every gun you buy from a dealer. Security clearances past or present mean nothing.

With an AZ CCW no background check is needed in AZ.
TB

 

[Arizona Commander]

When it was all done I got I got what I wanted (new to me 686-2) and I have been lied to before but it is what it is.....

 

[Arizona Commander]

A background check must be done on each and every gun you buy from a dealer. Security clearances past or present mean nothing.

With an AZ CCW no background check is needed in AZ.
TB

Based upon my own experience it depends on the dealer, some honor the CCW others don't.

 

[hoc9sw]

Based upon my own experience it depends on the dealer, some honor the CCW others don't.

I've helped out some in my LGS. If there is anything about a purchaser, even with CCW/CHL, that rings odd, no deal.
It could be an address conflict on docs seen, someone from another town with someone sitting in the car out front, cash payment, or just that the person isn't synced with the gun. Not sure how to explain that, but its there.

But a CCW/CHL speeds things up enough that I'd keep mine active even if not absolutely required for my situation.

 

[STCM(SW)]

CPP here is just a phone call, but the state is about to change that since the Dem's took the senate here....
Getting as bad as CA it looks like.

 

[JcMack]

Last month in Aurora Il. a convicted felon was able to buy a gun after he lied on a 4473. He obtained the gun 4-5 years ago and kept it at home until last month went he took it to work and killed 5 employees and wounded 4 police officers. Much was said about why he was able to buy the gun. Illinois politicians are unbelievable when they smell a possible gun infraction. They run around squawking like penguins bumping into each other fighting over a sardine. It turns out the felony was committed in Mississippi and the info was not reported to the NICS database.
Our Fed, State and Local governments will hunt and chase you down if you owe them a nickle in back taxes but their combined forces can't maintain an accurate data base that they hold over our heads as Gospel.

 

[Ackley1952]

Inefficiency and delay in government transactions? Surely your mistaken.