Bad first range report

[longhornfan69]

Went to the range today to shoot my brand new M&P 45c and at 5 yards it is shooting about 6" low but I am getting a good grouping, I shot about 125 rounds and just can't figure it out. I pulled out my 9c and hit everything dead on. Anybody else experience this??


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[Houdini1953]

What grain and brand ammunition were you using? Remember also that you might be aiming improperly. The M&P aim should be all three dots right over the intended target plus with it being a new weapon you might be anticipating the recoil, which with a 45 M&P is a push back at you instead of a snap upwards like the 40, to me there is no recoil with a nine or at least I know what it is gonna do and is mild.

Try shooting 230 grain plus try too keep in mind that different caliber weapons need different consideration. Probably putting more rounds through the weapon will train you how to get dead on, at least that is how I have found it with all the different calibers that I shoot!

 

[longhornfan69]

What grain and brand ammunition were you using? Remember also that you might be aiming improperly. The M&P aim should be all three dots right over the intended target plus with it being a new weapon you might be anticipating the recoil, which with a 45 M&P is a push back at you instead of a snap upwards like the 40, to me there is no recoil with a nine or at least I know what it is gonna do and is mild.

Try shooting 230 grain plus try too keep in mind that different caliber weapons need different consideration. Probably putting more rounds through the weapon will train you how to get dead on, at least that is how I have found it with all the different calibers that I shoot!

I am shooting Federal 230 gr fmj and Winchester Ranger T 230gr +p, and all three dots lined up over the target is how I have been shooting. Guess I may need to put a couple hundred more down the pipe and see how it does, I had to stop because frustation was setting in.


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[TNDave]

Hard to say but mixing a few dummy rounds into your mags might be interesting

 

[Houdini1953]

So this is a new gun and possibly has the gritty trigger that some M&P's have, I have two M&P45 and the trigger on both of them is pretty much alright with me. I have just been shooting the 45 now for about three months but 9mm's since 1982 and it is much like a 22 pistol to me so I am just now getting used to the 45 as well as the 40 cal and 357SIG which is different from the 357MAG revolver.

Give yourself more time with your new weapon and if it is a consistent problem then perhaps let S&W know about it and get it fixed by them, you should be happy with any M&P that you have and with most shooting habits correct then you might have an issue.

By the way welcome to the forum any and all contributions are appreciated and have a safe and pleasant Easter weekend and day!

 

[stoneman]

A good friend of mine had the exact same problem with a .45c...turns out that S&W put the wrong sights on her before it left the Mother Ship. As we did, have a buddy shoot it too and see if he comes up with the same thing.

 

[longhornfan69]

Well I went back to the range this morning and still was hitting low and now to the left with my 45c so I pulled out my 9c again and was hitting dead on, so I had one of the shooting instructors shoot my 45c and he hit dead on. He told me that my trigger felt kind of gritty and tight and said that I just need to dry fire it when I am at the house to help break the trigger in, so turns out it was just me.


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[DCWilson]

I had a similar experience when I first started shooting my 4006 -- it hit significantly low and left. At least part of the problem stemmed from the fact that my grip left too little finger contact on the trigger, and all of my hand-muscle motions acting together were pushing me off POA. Adjusting the axis of the gun in relation to the long bones in the palm of my hand helped quite a bit, but there is still some improvement to be made.

I would agree that smoothing out a gritty trigger could help the situation.

I don't shoot semiautos a lot, as I prefer revolvers. But my experience has been that any new auto requires a slightly different grip from what I have used before on other models. That is a much less severe problem with revolvers, for some reason.

 

[kris7047th]

Hard to say but mixing a few dummy rounds into your mags might be interesting

Yup .. sounds like some flinching/ mashing the trigger is going on.

 

[kris7047th]

I had a similar experience when I first started shooting my 4006 -- it hit significantly low and left. At least part of the problem stemmed from the fact that my grip left too little finger contact on the trigger, and all of my hand-muscle motions acting together were pushing me off POA. Adjusting the axis of the gun in relation to the long bones in the palm of my hand helped quite a bit, but there is still some improvement to be made.

I would agree that smoothing out a gritty trigger could help the situation.

I don't shoot semiautos a lot, as I prefer revolvers. But my experience has been that any new auto requires a slightly different grip from what I have used before on other models. That is a much less severe problem with revolvers, for some reason.

No .. holding the grip correctly is the same on any gun. But a proper grip varies with the type of gun. With a semi auto you don't cup & saucer. Thumbs should be along the slide which helps to reduce recoil by reducing muzzle flip.

 

[youseemym&p]

also the location of your finger and the speed that you squeeze can easily make a right handed shooter shoot left and low.

i learned this about 3 years into shooting when a buddy of mine from tri-county swat saw me shoot. i was using the part of my finger between the 2nd and 3rd knuckle *i have big hands* and i was pulling the trigger instead of squeezing. i was told to use the pad at the tip of my finger and squeeze gently till she popped

not saying this is your issue haha as you probably know the above mentioned. but seeing as the topic as trickled to grip and such i figured i would throw it out there

 

[Moonman]

Trigger finger position due to hand size and YOUR VISION of how you see the sights especially if you wear glasses and are older to boot. My hand and vision shoot LEFT of the center target area, and I adjust the sights for ME.

 

[g_conway]

Put it in a gun vise. Aim, shoot, it's you or the gun.

 

[Fastbolt]

Going from a 9mm up to a .45 is going to subject you to more recoil force (and felt recoil, naturally). This could easily result in you developing a bit of an anticipatory flinch and jerk in the trigger press. A right-handed shooter typically gets low/left hits when this happens (unless they're using a lot of excessive support hand pressure, or have long fingers and really curl the trigger off to their right).

I've had a lot of folks nod their heads when I say that to them in person, standing on the firing line, but obviously not really believe it ... until I slip in a Dummy round without their noticing it and they shove their guns down & off to the side when the gun doesn't go bang.

 

[TSQUARED]

An individual's grip on a gun and their reastion to the recoil makes a huge difference in point of impact with a fixed sighted gun.