Barred from concealed EDC at home

Even if Madam Zelda looked into her crystal ball and told me I'd never need to use a gun in or around my home, I'd still drop an LCP in my pants pocket in the morning and leave it there till bedtime.

Carrying an LCP goes unnoticed to me just as my wallet. I'm in and out of the house through the day. I'd have to remind myself to disarm every time I walked in the house, and then I'd end up forgetting to put it back in my pocket when I left the house again. Since I don't suffer any mental hangups about gun carry nor am physically bothered by it... there's just no reason to repeatedly arm and disarm myself as I go about my day.
 
hdwhit said:
I have authored and help implement security plans for numerous churches in the Dallas suburbs. On any given Sunday, somewhere between 5% and 35% of the people in attendance are armed. Even so, if someone comes in and wants the collection, we would hand it over with no resistance. The last place we need a gunfight is in a crowded church santuary where the backdrop to any shot is liable to be your "brother or sister in the Lord".



If someone from another faith shows up at our church, we'll offer them a donut and a cup of coffee.

Sectarian violence is so far down our list of likely threats that it hardly merits consideration.
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You don't need firearms to protect the collection plate or THINGS. If you use firearms it should be (ethically, and legally in the places I currently live and have lived in the past) to protect PEOPLE. All threats aren't sectarian.

Scumbag walks into an AME church in SC, kills 9 wounds 3. If my family members or freinds were going to a service or study, I would want someone there whom I trusted to be armed, even if the majority of the parishoners trust in God to safeguard them and feel it unneccesary.

( I don't trust. Twenty plus years on the job nearly caused me to loose all faith. Listening to high church officials LIE and close my Parish and make a deal to redevelop the home of a vibrant community for PROFIT. That is what did me in.)
 
Church security starts outside. Counting on armed parishioners or security volunteers inside the structure is--literally--an act of closing the barn door after the horse has been stolen. If guns inside the church/temple/mosque are of any use, then you are already having a Very Bad Time.

Clear inside, secure all entrances, establish a perimeter, and then control access. Lay eyes on everyone coming in, keep close watch on newcomers. Keep people moving to minimize the crowd on the way in. If you're going to have a problem, have it outside.
 
I carry everywhere. At home a 442 is always in my pocket. No one can see it. My wife knows I always carry. If she said something against it. I would continue to carry anyway. If she insisted I guess I would have to make here an offer she could not refuse. You don't sign my paycheck you don't tell me what to do. Oh ya I'm retired, knowone tells me what to do.
 
If I am awake I have my EDC on me almost always....very very rare to not have gun on my person if it is legal.

All one has to do is scan the news for home invasions....

But I respect that some folks like to pick and choose when they carry - there choice....
 
dlombard said:
#1, having a backup gun makes a lot of sense to me because if your primary gun goes down for any reason (fails during a trip to the range requiring a trip to the gunsmith) or you need to switch to another one because the one you're using has failed in the middle of an actual confrontation, NOT having it would be bad. 2nd, just because someone you live with has one doesn't mean it's yours. It's theirs and it's their responsibility to maintain control over it at all times including knowing where it is and preventing anyone who has not been expressly authorized to use it from doing so. Therefore, If you're going to have a backup gun, it can't be someone elses, right?

Last but not least, I've read about people who will EDC at home rather than hope they can get to the room with the gun in it in time if one (or more) assailants breach your windows or door, or (even more silly) hide one in every room. A full sized sidearm for OWB EDC at home isn't comfortable or always suitable (i.e., if you have company), so some people IWB EDC at home. Even if you might have a full-size firearm locked up bedside for when you aren't wearing it (sleeping in bed).

Do you? If so, how did you convince the person or people you live with the reasoning behind doing this?

I ask because I tried to have this conversation over the weekend and I got a lot of unexpected feedback. Like, "it's excessive" specially since it's just a two bedroom apartment, and like they're being policed in their own home. Reactions that struck me as very weird. I got questions like, "how many guns are enough?"

At the end of the day, while I am gonna have a spare, if these are the rules, then these are the rules and I'll follow them. But I was just shocked at the response my proposal to EDC at home received... We both have one, we've both gotten training, visit the range from time to time. I didn't think this was going to be that strange of a thing to want to discuss, but the reaction was pretty angry so I just wanted to share my story here and find out if anyone has had a similar experience and if they've ever come around?

What if your husband told you, "if you carry all day at home, I'm moving out."? Or wife for that matter?
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You poor *******, move out or procure a pair of testicles and EDC them.
 
dlombard said:
#1, having a backup gun makes a lot of sense to me because if your primary gun goes down for any reason (fails during a trip to the range requiring a trip to the gunsmith) or you need to switch to another one because the one you're using has failed in the middle of an actual confrontation, NOT having it would be bad. 2nd, just because someone you live with has one doesn't mean it's yours. It's theirs and it's their responsibility to maintain control over it at all times including knowing where it is and preventing anyone who has not been expressly authorized to use it from doing so. Therefore, If you're going to have a backup gun, it can't be someone elses, right?

Last but not least, I've read about people who will EDC at home rather than hope they can get to the room with the gun in it in time if one (or more) assailants breach your windows or door, or (even more silly) hide one in every room. A full sized sidearm for OWB EDC at home isn't comfortable or always suitable (i.e., if you have company), so some people IWB EDC at home. Even if you might have a full-size firearm locked up bedside for when you aren't wearing it (sleeping in bed).

Do you? If so, how did you convince the person or people you live with the reasoning behind doing this?

I ask because I tried to have this conversation over the weekend and I got a lot of unexpected feedback. Like, "it's excessive" specially since it's just a two bedroom apartment, and like they're being policed in their own home. Reactions that struck me as very weird. I got questions like, "how many guns are enough?"

At the end of the day, while I am gonna have a spare, if these are the rules, then these are the rules and I'll follow them. But I was just shocked at the response my proposal to EDC at home received... We both have one, we've both gotten training, visit the range from time to time. I didn't think this was going to be that strange of a thing to want to discuss, but the reaction was pretty angry so I just wanted to share my story here and find out if anyone has had a similar experience and if they've ever come around?

What if your husband told you, "if you carry all day at home, I'm moving out."? Or wife for that matter?
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Stage a mock break in and show them the need.
 
I only occasionally carry in the house, usually after I've carried outside.

That having been said, most of the time I'm at home, there's a loaded handgun and at least one reload less than a foot from me.
 
Every case is individual and, for sure, every home "partnership" is different from everyone else's. Especially if we are comparing anything in California with so much of the rest of the country. Just a wholly different outlook, that's my guess. ICBW.

As for me, with only two dogs and a pet snake (small, in a tank, not meandering around) to keep me company, nobody tells me I can't EDC at home and I do. Always. In the distant past I never stepped out of my doors to even toss trash without a gun and that graduated into ALWAYS with me at home. My last human companion, wife number 3 to be precise, was totally disinterested in whether I carried a gun or not (she carried one in her car and sometimes in her purse like lots of good West Texas ladies, way before anyone heard of a Texas carry permit) and I certainly do not permit my current companion to have an opinion on the subject in my house. I encouraged her to have her gun available in her house and it bugs me that she doesn't, actually.

And, yes, I do have one under my pillow. At no time do I ever find myself more than a foot or two from a loaded weapon. Paranoid? Probably. Have you read the news lately? I think paranoia is allowed.
 
I rarely carry inside my house, only because I have little kids that jump on me, and I don't want to have to explain why I have a gun on (haven't gone through that discussion yet nor am I quite ready- kids are 6 and 4 and while they know I have guns, I ask them not to discuss it outside the house). However, if I am outside my house, in the yard, especially at night when I am working on cars or something, I usually carry- we have bears, coyotes, and you never know if a non friendly visitor stops in. We had a few drug deals in my safe rural neighborhood, and I feel better safe with my EDC than sorry if I need it...
 
hdwhit said:
I have authored and help implement security plans for numerous churches in the Dallas suburbs. On any given Sunday, somewhere between 5% and 35% of the people in attendance are armed. Even so, if someone comes in and wants the collection, we would hand it over with no resistance. The last place we need a gunfight is in a crowded church santuary where the backdrop to any shot is liable to be your "brother or sister in the Lord".



If someone from another faith shows up at our church, we'll offer them a donut and a cup of coffee.

Sectarian violence is so far down our list of likely threats that it hardly merits consideration.
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Myself, and I am pretty sure a few others carry at my church- I have not discussed it with my pastor, but when I get a chance I may.. We have a couple law enforcement officers and ex military in out congregation, so I am pretty sure I'm not the only one that carries...
 
I fall into the camp that concealed is just that. What's in my pocket isn't anyone else's concern.
My wife and I also don't issue ultimatums to one another. Neither of us wants that kind of a relationship.
 
hdwhit said:
I have authored and help implement security plans for numerous churches in the Dallas suburbs. On any given Sunday, somewhere between 5% and 35% of the people in attendance are armed. Even so, if someone comes in and wants the collection, we would hand it over with no resistance. The last place we need a gunfight is in a crowded church santuary where the backdrop to any shot is liable to be your "brother or sister in the Lord".



If someone from another faith shows up at our church, we'll offer them a donut and a cup of coffee.

Sectarian violence is so far down our list of likely threats that it hardly merits consideration.
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On request, I headed a committee to develop an overall safety plan for our church. It was divided into 4 areas: 1. Weather related. 2. Medical 3. Fire and finally 4. Violence. After doing research for weeks, inspecting all areas of the facility and coming up with a written plan, there was never any meaningful action taken. Our president is an active duty police officer and his solution is to call 911. He also doesn't believe he needs to carry a firearm off duty.
 
BE Mike said:
On request, I headed a committee to develop an overall safety plan for our church. It was divided into 4 areas: 1. Weather related. 2. Medical 3. Fire and finally 4. Violence. After doing research for weeks, inspecting all areas of the facility and coming up with a written plan, there was never any meaningful action taken. Our president is an active duty police officer and his solution is to call 911. He also doesn't believe he needs to carry a firearm off duty.
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Your situation really puts me at a loss for words. I literally have nothing to write except for being astounded, confused, aghast, and perhaps constipated. I got nothing!! :rolleyes::rolleyes: hardcase60
 
BE Mike said:
After doing research for weeks, inspecting all areas of the facility and coming up with a written plan, there was never any meaningful action taken.
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Sounds like 90 percent of my time once I got to wear a white shirt, and why I did not stick around to make it 30.

An active duty officer who feels no need to carry off-duty, do you live in Shang-ri-la or does he live in La-la-land?
 
We live in a total back woods area.State forest on 3 sides and a driveway that is almost .5 mile long to a hard road.There have been active bear,cyote,wolf,and a mountain lion (or cougar as the DNR calls it) sightings . This area,between Traverse city ,Clare,and Alpena, is the Meth capitol of northern michigan(not my assesment).Almost every night there is a meth lab bust or find.Even though it is a beautiful area with many recreational opprotunities,it is not all that it seems to the casual visitor.I have carried since the mid 60's,when the only way to do it was either illeagally or with a card signed by the county sherrif makeing you a "part time special deputy".Since my dad was a DS and the sherrif lived across the street from us,I did not have any problem getting that card!I grew up in a very safe urban enviroment,but I always seemed to work,and eventually own a bussiness in a getto.When my wife and I retired,we moved here.That was almost 20 yrs ago and I can honestly say that niether one of us has ever faced a serios threat,unless you ask my wife about the badger in wyoming (1970) that she somehow got between her den and her(badger)while deer hunting.The badger was promply dispatched by a 7 mm mag at 15 paces!None the less we have both carried most of our adult lives,and do not ever leave the house w/o our edc.I built a nice(IMO) range with 10 and 50 yd target frames and a backstop that would challenge a .50 cal.We both shoot a couple times a week,sometimes together,sometimes not.When we come in the house,my edc goes on my computer desk,hers on the table infront of her chair.My 39-2 is under my pillow,edc next to it at night, and there are 2-ar pistols in the bedroom.So,are we paranoid? Maybe,but we are both still alive and when someone knocks at the door,one of us has thier edc in hand.Nieghbors (we actually only have 2) and friends are used to it and ignore it.First time visitors,usually become a bit edgy,but thats OK,we have never been drawn down on!We have been together since 1967,and the weapons have never been an issue between us,unless it was because of a lack of them at any given time.Our 2 sons grew up with both pistols and long guns everywhere in the house and were shooting as soon as they were old enough to hold them.There was never any issue with them,however both nancy and I know that if we did that today cps would have our kids and we would be in jail.Its a sad thing but a reality.Oddly enough,niether one of them has anything other than a casual intrest in guns now that they are adults.As I sit in the famly room right now,watching "naked & afraid",I can count 3 handguns,2 of which are only an arms length away.We have no edc problems in our family or marrige and never did!
 
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