Basic Revolver Questions (newbie question)

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Hello everyone. I am new to guns in general and I have been reading about guns, ballistics, have taken my CHP class, etc. I am seriously considering the SD9VE as my first "do it all" handgun for concealed carry, car defense, and apartment defense. That being said however I am not against a revolver. I have some newbie questions.:

Why pick a revolver over a semi auto?
Why are revolvers so expensive compared to a semi auto?
The SD9VE hold a lot more ammo than a revolver, is this really an issue in the real world?
I tried a Taurus 85 snubby and it was hard to shoot, so can you still conceal a 3-4 inch revolver for EDC?

Help me to learn, why would you pick a revolver over a semi auto in this day and age? I am not a collector, it will be carried and used. Thanks for the help.
 
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Why pick a revolver over a semi auto?

Frankly, I think the reasons favor the autos. Get a quality auto known for their reliability and there are few reasons to opt for a revolver.

I opted for a revolver solely because I like them not for any perceived advantages.
 
I can't say that I completely agree with gr7070. Not that I don't own or haven't carried autos for quite a long time too. They both have their relative advantages and disadvantages. For me though, in the real world, and not the tacticool make-believe world of many, I think that the revolver does have a few advantage. Way too much to try to explain, but here's a LOT of info and opinions on this very subject, and a lot of revolver users explain their take on why they choose to do so:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/concealed-carry-self-defense/270760-revolver-carriers-speak-out.html

I'll also admit that in my younger days I was taken up in the high capacity craze of autos and that's all I cared to own, carry or shoot for a number of years. Then I discovered that I actually enjoyed revolvers. Then, as I became more familiar and knowledgeable about them, I began to see things from a different perspective and which really served me best in the real world, rather than some imaginary scenario. Not saying that I have it right or even all the answers. It's just my opinion, so there you have it.
 
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One of the reasons a revolver is interesting to me is somehow in my mind I have this thought of a revolver being a little more mechanical in nature in how it works and a semi auto being more like a machine. Maybe this is way off base. I understand the thought about having more ammo and faster reloading for the "fire fight" that people seem to think will happen. I am not sure I go with that idea, I dunno. The one thing that I think about with a revolver is that I can target shoot for fun with 38 loads but carry more powerful 357 mag loads for defense. If I get say a 9mm semi auto, that is all I can shoot. Does that really matter?.....I do not know. Most of the pocket snobby revolvers I have seen has no sights or sights that are useless for target practice at the range and I have not shot a revolver with sights on it. I understand in theory why a revolver could be more reliable than a semi auto. Why is a revolver so expensive? I would be looking for a "do it all" revolver for concealed carry, car protection, and apartment defense. With that in mind, which revolvers would be a good starting point to look at? K frame maybe? I have medium sized hands.
 
A valid case can be made for both revolvers and semi autos.

If you're interested in a S&W semi auto, I would suggest you pick the newer models/M&Ps. Don
 
I began my LEO career when revolvers ruled in the late '60's and had to use my issued .38 in the line of duty more than once. Simply put it just works and there are no worries about the kind of malfunctions a semiauto can produce. I do have couple of autos, one being my service weapon, the Glock M23, but don't carry them.

My small 442 fits in a pocket, offers sufficient power and can be neglected for years (I don't neglect my weapons) and still work. My orbits are fairly safe in retirement and I do practice w/my 442 often.
 
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When I first decided to carry concealed I had certain parameters my concealed firearm had to meet. I wanted something reliable, can be pocket carried when needed, was in a caliber used by law enforcement and was fun to shoot lots at the range. I had decided on a 642/442 and coincidently someone at work had a 442 they bought in 1994, shot once, cleaned and put in a drawer. I bought it, made a few holsters and carry it daily.
 

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I have heard that a small J frame "pocket gun" is much harder to shoot than a semi auto. Is it harder to shoot then this newer generation of pocket 380 and 9mm semi autos such as the LCP and LC9? For a carry gun what are the pros and cons of a blued gun over SS or aluminum?
 
I don't think that there is a correct answer here. Most of my acquaintances carry a semi-auto, I prefer a revolver. I think the most important issue is what are you the most accurate and comfortable with. Only you can decide what is best for you. Edit: Blue will wear but not reflect light, SS will not wear as much and imho aluminum kicks like a mule.
 
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One of the reasons a revolver is interesting to me is somehow in my mind I have this thought of a revolver being a little more mechanical in nature in how it works and a semi auto being more like a machine.

This is one of the things that made me enjoy the revolvers. I enjoy handling them. Dry fire practice is simpler and can more directly simulate real fire since you just pull the trigger instead of having to manipulate the slide or otherwise cock the hammer. I enjoy the mechanics of them more than the autos.


I understand the thought about having more ammo and faster reloading for the "fire fight" that people seem to think will happen. I am not sure I go with that idea, I dunno.

This is what I was referring to above when I mentioned the "tacti-cool make believe world of many". Police involved shootings and those of civilians are very different. Often police either have to stop (kill) or apprehend the other person involved. The other person knows this, so a protracted gun battle is more likely. With a civilian SD shooting, you are only concerned with survival. You may have to stop your assailant, but your real motivation is only to see the altercation end so that you can escape and go about your way. Perhaps you will have to "stop" him, but you may just be able to escape. When your assailant is met with unexpected deadly resistance he too is likely to just want it to end so that he can get away and survive. He's not as worried about being arrested and going to jail so his motivation for continuing the fight is probably less than it might otherwise be with the police. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that statistics show that the average number of shots fired in a civilian SD shooting is around 3. That's total, between both parties. So, statistically speaking, the likelihood of needing a high round count or speedy reloads isn't as high as TV and the movies tend to portray.


The one thing that I think about with a revolver is that I can target shoot for fun with 38 loads but carry more powerful 357 mag loads for defense. If I get say a 9mm semi auto, that is all I can shoot. Does that really matter?.....I do not know.

That depends on you and what you want to do. Revolvers do function reliably with a much greater range of ammunition. With .357 you can go from easy shootin' powder puff wadcutter .38 loads all the way to heavy, full house magnum loads. They don't care about bullet profile and they don't require energy to cycle the action like an auto.


Most of the pocket snobby revolvers I have seen has no sights or sights that are useless for target practice at the range and I have not shot a revolver with sights on it.

This could be a point of debate, but in the real world, SD shooting happen very fast, and at close range. Statistics show that most occur from contact to around 15 feet or so. I'm not sure how important target sights really are in this type of scenario. But, many revolvers do have better sights, and many more can be outfitted with better, aftermarket sights. Many J frames can be fitted with the excellent, for fast close range shooting, XS Big Dot sights, for example.

I understand in theory why a revolver could be more reliable than a semi auto.

I am a fan of Glock pistols. Have owned, and still do own several. I have put thousands and thousands of rounds through them and have found them to be very reliable. BUT... Not only is the revolver more reliable from a feeding perspective, but also keep in mind that may SD situations require shooting from less than perfect positions. If the fight goes to ground, for example, you may have to shoot with your gun backed up into your own body, or the muzzle jammed into your assailant's. The first case will cause a serious jam in an auto, and the second could force the auto out of battery and unable to even fire the first time. In a face to face struggle for your life, this could very well mean the difference between life and death.

Why is a revolver so expensive?

I'm not sure this is the case. I bought my last SD revolver, a S&W 638, slightly used, for $299. They can be found new for less than $400. Some autos can be fairly expensive too. If you compare the plastic fantastics to a high quality revolver though, I'd say that they are somewhat comparable in price, depending on which revolver you're looking at. But, in general the plastic autos are cheaper to mass produce and require less labor intensive assembly. In many cases revolvers have more small, fitted parts, and more complex machining as well.


I would be looking for a "do it all" revolver for concealed carry, car protection, and apartment defense. With that in mind, which revolvers would be a good starting point to look at? K frame maybe? I have medium sized hands.

It depends. I like my J frames because, for me, they are easy to carry and conceal. But, I'd really love to have a 3" model 65 (K frame), and think it would be a really good compromise for me. My 625 (N frame) is too large for me to carry but it does reside on my nightstand.

Also keep in mind that for many, the revolver takes a little more time to learn to shoot well. But, also, for many, they find that with a little time, they actually shoot them better than their autos. Most also find that the J frames take more time to master and aren't as easy to shoot well as the larger guns.
 
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I have heard that a small J frame "pocket gun" is much harder to shoot than a semi auto. Is it harder to shoot then this newer generation of pocket 380 and 9mm semi autos such as the LCP and LC9? For a carry gun what are the pros and cons of a blued gun over SS or aluminum?
It's true that J frame snubbies are initially more difficult to shoot accurately but it is possible with practice, both dry fire and live fire. I practice mostly at self defense ranges, point shooting and aiming with both eyes open, between 7 and 10 yards, sometimes I stretch it out to 25 yards for fun. My snubby's been equipped with a Laserlyte side mount laser that I use more for dry fire practice. Just put the red dot on something and keep it there as you pull the trigger. That is after you make sure it's unloaded.
The only reason I went for the blued finished 442 rather than the stainless 642 was because that was the one that became available at a good price when I was ready to buy.
A blued gun takes more care to prevent corrosion than a stainless gun. Aluminum is used in the frame on the Airweight snubbies such as my 442 and the stainless version the 642.
I like my snubby, I carry it with 2 reloads in quick strips. My wife carries a 4" 66-3 medium size, K frame, stainless steel .357 Magnum with a reload in a speed loader. We're both revolver people.
 
One other note, I remember a S&W revolver I got with the pamphlet that came with it had this:
"The rapidity of fire is only limited by the dexterity of the shooter."

May mean nothing, but is true.

Actually, a really good revolver shooter can fire faster than an auto. An auto is limited by it's cyclic rate. A revolver, like your pamphlet implied, has no such mechanical limitations.

Check out some Jerry Miculek videos to see it for yourself.
 
12 shots with a reload in less than 3 seconds? With a revolver?

Yep. Not sure how that would break down without the reload, or a shot to shot break time. But, yeah, it's fast!

He also did 8 shots with a 627, in 1.0 seconds, 8 shots on four different targets in 1.06 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uisHfKj2JiI

Yeah, he's unreal quick!
 
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12 shots with a reload in less than 3 seconds? With a revolver?

World Record 12 Shots In Under 3 Seconds

Check it out on You Tube.....

Ed McGivern is renowned as one of the best hand gunners that ever lived. His Guinness world record for "The greatest rapid-fire feat" (set in August 20, 1932 as the Lead Club Range, South Dakota) still stands. This feat consisted of "firing two times from 15 feet five shots which could be covered by a silver half-dollar piece in 45/1OO's of a second.
 
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For me, I think the revolver has one advantage - reliability. Second on that list would be simplicity. I too am realitively new to guns so I can tell you what I've learned as I've started out. Remember, this is all my opinion and based on my person use of handguns which started a few years ago. I have my CPL but I do not yet carry.

My first gun was an Semi-Auto Taurus P92. It is a good gun but probably a little too big to carry. My second gun was a Revolver (.44Mag). A very good gun but certainly too big to carry. Then I got into the Glocks (G30, G36, G19). The G30 and G19 are good guns and both certainly can be carried. I had feeding issues with the G36 and got rid of it. Then I got my 625 (.45 cal revolver). Again, too big to carry, but a great gun. Then I got into snubbies. I have a Ruger LCR and a S&W 940. Both very good guns.

My personal recommendation to you is to go with the SD9VE as I'm assuming it's closest to my G19. You can and probably will get other guns and you can go with a revolver next. As you found out, snubbies are not good range guns. I'm assuming you will want to get a lot of range time in and I found the semis much better for this. You will learn to shoot, you will get to know what a semi is and how often they fail and you will be able to make a better decision for yourself in the future.

Now that I've shot for a couple of years and just obtained my carry permit, I think for me, the LCR (small lightweight snubbie shooting .38 +P loads) is what I would carry. A close second would be my G19. I really believe it's one of those things that 1) You have to gain enough experiance to be able to decide on your own and 2) You really can't go wrong because having either a revolver of a semi when needed is better than having nothing.

My decision to favor a lightweight revolver is based on knowing that if the first round doesn't fire, I can just pull the trigger and likely the next one will. A problem with a semi usually requires more than just pulling the trigger again. Second, the LCR fits my hand really well. You're not going to appreciate that until you shoot a number of guns a number of times. I don't think a snubbie is the right gun for a beginning shooter (because it's not a range gun and you need a range gun).

You'll do well with the SD9VE. You'll know more after shooting a couple thousand rounds through it.
 
I have heard that a small J frame "pocket gun" is much harder to shoot than a semi auto. Is it harder to shoot then this newer generation of pocket 380 and 9mm semi autos such as the LCP and LC9? For a carry gun what are the pros and cons of a blued gun over SS or aluminum?

I would say that doing relatively rapid fire DA work with a tiny snubbie is something that requires more practice than any semi auto other than the really dinky ones. The long and relatively heavy pull is more difficult to master than a typical semi auto. Don
 
Most S&W revolvers are more expensive, or at least on par with most run of the mill little bitty autos is because they are still built mostly of metal and the actions are a bit different.

I won't say that a revolver is necessarily more reliable than a semi auto, however, I would say a revolver is less fussy than a semi auto. Carry of a revolver can be a bit more versitle than a semi, i.e. pocket carry and being able to shoot thru a coat pocket. Furthermore, a revolver is not dependent on a magazine and can be fully reloaded with out a anything other than a pocket full of ammo and fingers. You do need to clean them once in a while. Anything getting stuck under the star ejector can cause the revolver not to function. Excess crud buildup on the face of the cylinder or forcing cone can cause the cylinder to bind up.

The .38 Special is a more versitle and potent load than a .380 or smaller. A .357 chambering makes a little S&W revolver even more so.

Accuracy issues for a small revolver can be cured by judicious dry firing, then ball and dummy drills. Revolvers don't require dummy rounds to function for this drill. Just load three randomly, fire three and watch your reaction when you hit a dry hole. Then, open the cylinder without ejecting and load the remaining empty holes and try it again. Then repeat the drill.

Some little revolver shooting ills can be cured by changing grips. Aftermarket companies are offering better sight alternatives. They're expensive but could be worth every penny.

I carry a 640 as a backup after realizing that I just didn't like the baby Glocks or the compact M&Ps that much. The revolver, even a steel frame original 38 model 640 is easier to carry and a bit lighter. I carry two speed loaders and a strip in my pockets. I hear complaints from folks all the time who have a distain for a revolver claiming they can't shoot one accurately. They don't realize that they haven't ever really tried.
 
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Since I live in Maryland, it's not likely I'll be carrying anytime. But if I did, it'd probably be some version of the 1911 platform. Why? Because I've been shooting 1911s for more than 40 years, and they're second nature. I like revolvers, but I've just gotten into them in the past year. And there are other semis that are as reliable as the 1911 or more so. But I'm a firm believer that if you're going to carry, it ought to be a gun that comes as second nature, and for me, that's the 1911, just by long, long experience.
 
My wife and I went to the local Kroger food store and guess what I saw? I saw a security dude walking around. Older guy maybe 50 or so. I got closer and saw he was a police dude, not just a security guard. I asked him about concealed carry and this opened up to stories from him about being a sniper in Vietnam and how got into being a LEO after the military. I asked him about guns and such and he took his break from work and we went to his car and he opened the trunk. What was in the trunk.....a pump shotgun. OK great, but what did he carry to protect the store for the bad guys? He pulls out a Ruger LCR with crimson trace grips on it. I asked him why he would carry a revolver over a semi auto and his reply was simple. He told me that a revolver goes bang every time you pull the trigger, if he was jumped and knocked to the ground with the bad guy in a fight he said the gun can be fired from his pocket, and finally he said that in a panic situation when things are happening fast all you have to do with a revolver is pull the trigger. He admits that he had messed up a few times over the years in combat with forgetting about a safety or even hitting the mag release on a semi auto. The man brought something to my attention about high capacity semi auto handguns, by the time you add 16 rounds to a handgun that light semi auto is not so light anymore, thus making carry weight between a revolver and semi auto less of an issue.
 
OK, we know that S&W makes a great revolver. What other companies make a quality revolver? What brands and models would you consider for a concealed carry revolver? I ask because I know folks like Ruger and S&W but there seems to be mixed results with Taurus and no one mentions Charter Arms.
 
My personal preference is for S&W in Double Action, and Ruger or Freedom Arms in Single Action. Charter Arms makes a serviceable revolver and I have used them, but I prefer S&W. I have no experience with Taurus.
 
Another excellent snubbie, if you can find one, is a Colt Detective Special or its lighter cousin the Cobra. They're the same size & weight as a J frame (about) and hold six rounds instead of five. Not a big deal, 6 vs. 5, but something to consider.
 
OK, lets continue my revolver education. A snub nose pocket rocket revolver has a short barrel on it, I understand that they are for close up protection. Now because of that short barrel, does that make the little gun less powerful or effective compared to say a compact semi auto with a 3-4 inch barrel? What about the recoil of s snubby compared to a little larger gun?
 
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