BATFE ID Requirements Change?

[zipty6]

Seems to be a little inconsistency in OK governmental doc's. My OK DL has my full legal name. My recently renewed OK SDA (carry license for some of you) has my middle initial abbreviated. Others vary. Anyway the post may serve as good notice to those buying stuff that requires a 4473 to take along a pocket full of suitable ID. You may have one that suits the clerk that way.

Same here.

 

[deadin]

If they really want to get stinky, they could demand two gvmt documents with your middle name.
Just because you have one that shows your name as Able Baker Johnson, whose to say that your other one (Able B. Johnson) isn't for someone named Able Bravo Johnson??


(There may be no end to this......)

 

[glenwolde]

O.K. Show of hands. Who's ever said..."they should enforce the gun laws on the books instead of making more."

That's all they're doing. I think they have a point. First, especially with common names, it's got to be hard to verify which "Robert A. Johnson" is which. Computers don't deal well with even the most minor of differences. "Robert A. Johnson" is as different from "Robert A Johnson" as "Quincy Q. Carbarn III". It either matches or it doesn't.

Don't forget criminals often use minor variations of their real names in order to throw LE off the trail.

I'm not having a big problem with it all. As the example above (wife's death certificate) shows they are pretty willing to accept just about anything issued by a government as verification. They aren't refusing the sale and requiring excessive documentation.

But I think one should get their ducks in a row on their ID. If they start requiring better proof it's going to be difficult. Get a new DL with your middle name. Find your birth certificate or get a certified copy. We are grown adults. We can do this.

 

[TX-Dennis]

My sister's father-in-law was J B Whittle. That is what his birth certificate listed, so did his drivers license. He told us that when he was drafted, the clerk told him he couldn't have just initials and had to list a name, so he put down Joe Bob. Throughout his time in the Army he said he was referred to by a rude expression that I probably shouldn't use here, but it rhymes with his assumed name.

 

[yaktamer]

Really want to cause confusion next time? Have your legal middle name changed to "No Middle Name."

 

[InTheWoods]

In Missouri, my drivers license,ccw permit,and Medicare card all simply have H. listed in the middle name spot.My true middle name is Hazard (an honest old family name from Rhode Island). I always write this out fully on 4473s, and other than a few raised dealer eyebrows, have never had an issue (a few mutual chuckles though).

Just found my passport and it has the full "Hazard" typed out on it. Might take it with me to the Tulsa gun show in April, just in case.

 

[glenwolde]

Really want to cause confusion next time? Have you legal middle name changed to "No Middle Name."

Or middle initials only of "NMN". Then you'd have to put NMN"IO" and I promise that would get flagged but I'd love to argue the case with them.

 

[LVSteve]

I find it ironic that when Russian Communism was in its hay-day, all of its citizen were issued an "Internal Passport" which was the persons identification paperwork. One couldn't go or do anything in the country without presenting this passport document to those who demanded to see it.

Now that Russian Communism is dead, what is happening in the US? One must have official Gov't identification paperwork and the US Foreign Travel Passport is fast becoming the gov'ts ID which is accepted. It is readily accepted as an "official" gov't identification and I bet soon it will be the required form of ID. One has to wonder if the Gov't's trend toward Socialism have anything to to with it?

Nothing to do with it. When I arrived here from the UK in 1997 I was appalled by the US fixation with ID. Picture ID, having to spout your SS number everywhere, it smacked of "papers please" for me right out of the gate.

Back then in the UK you weren't even required to carry your driving license or any other documentation in your car. Suits me, I consider a car an unsecure environment and leaving stuff at home is better PERSEC. Get stopped with no docs, cop issues a HORT 1 citation and you present your stuff at the local police station inside 10 days. Job done.

 

[Onomea]

Legally changing your name in Oregon is pretty simple. Just fill out the county court's form with your current legal name and what you would like your legal name to be. File it with the county clerk's office and give them a bit over $100. A couple weeks later a certified court order of your new legal name shows up.

It's on you to be sure everyone that matters learns this. Starting with social security, which will issue a new card to you in a few weeks.

Some states, maybe most, are more arduous. Oregon does not even ask why you want to change your name.

I learned this because we were having occasional bureaucratic confusion about what my wife's legal name is. She's a Japanese national with a US green card. Some of her US IDs had her maiden name as her last name and some had her married name.

Somewhat to my surprise, she had her legal name in the US changed to first name, no middle name, and maiden name my last name, no dash.

I suppose a legal name change might further discombobulate the BATF tho.

 

[LostintheOzone]

Well I just went and looked and my NY state drivers Linc has only the middle initial, Federal passport has only a middle initial and my NY state pistol permit (first issued early 1970s) has only a middle initial.

No more guns for you. You will just have to do better comrade. NY state did you say.

 

[charlie sherrill]

My Mississippi DL has an initial in place of my middle name In the last few years/months I've purchased handguns and long guns in my state with no problem. I've also filled out the 4473 in neighboring states on long guns with no problem. I write on the 4473 my full name plus the Sr. at the end of my name. I also add my SS number because they already have it. No problems so far. If a problem ever comes up I'll do something about it when it happens.

 

[H Richard]

Just curious, but if this is the case, why did they issue my 03 FFL with just a Middle Initial along with the first and last name?

 

[elm_creek_smith]

Update with photo somewhere above. (Don't know why the photo didn't load before.)

Sent with some arcane communications device.

 

[reedman]

My OK DL has my middle name--Handgun License has middle initial. My last purchase this week had me flagged for purchasing 2 firearms in 5 days, which I hadn't. Sales clerk asked me if I had bought a gun in the last few days? I told him when I did last (from him last Dec), and he said that flag comes up by mistake occasionally.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

That reminds me of the Academy employee who told me that there "Absolutely were no 7 or 8 shot revolvers period", below us in the case was the S&W R8 that I bought after he picked t up counted the chambers and (thankfully) got his boss to complete the transaction. I would go back tomorrow and get a different employee who likely has a different tack on the "new guidance" and reality.

 

[Golphin]

My DL has my full name and my CC license has my middle initial here in Florida.

 

[DWalt]

TX DL and carry permit both have my full name, no initials. Ditto for wife’s ID.

 

[H Richard]

My IL drivers license has full name including the middle name in full, along with Veterans and the "star" indicating True I D eligible for airline boarding. But They didn't put the middle name on my CCW permit, only middle initial.

 

[pistolpete10]

A little info for you. I worked at BPS for about 4 years. WE had to satisfy the BATF(all agents didn't think alike). The BPS policy was to fill the paper work out the same for all stores, some of the BPS requirements weren't required by BATF but were acceptable. So, you see it gets kind of complicated, don't rag out on the poor clerk who is just trying to make a living, by satisfying his boss and the customer both. Some TX DLs had P.O. boxes instead of addresses, this isn't an acceptable ID as per the BATF.

 

[Beemerguy53]

FFL dealer myself, I still use the call in system and the first thing asked is "Does the name and address in section B of the 4473 form exactly match the government issued ID?" If you answer no, you cannot proceed.

I fly a lot, and IDs are an issue at the airport. When you first book your flight, TSA vets you through Secure Flight (details at the link below). Your boarding pass and your ID have to match...exactly. If your driver's license says you are Joseph John Smith, Jr., and you've booked your flight as Joe Smith, J. John Smith, J.J. Smith, Joseph J. Smith, Jr., etc., etc., you will likely have a problem.

I have an ethnic Scottish first name, and German middle and last names (only in America!). All of my life I've had to correct various misspellings of my names, and it's a pain in the neck. I feel for everybody who has to deal with this...it's no fun.

https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/id/secure.html