"Battle" rifle discussion ...

My saiga in 308win using surplus south African 308 ball ammo will print 1 1/2" groups @ 100yds with its 16" barrel. The guys on the saiga-12 site are shooting 1/2" MOA's using better quality over the counter ammo. I think for its price range there unmatched quality wise. We're talking no scope accuracy too.
 
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For trench warfare, try a Sharps (replica) and 400 yard targets. The big 400 to 500 grain bullets will fall onto them from the sky. My current 420 grain Saeco load is something like BANG..silence..TWACK from the 100 yard bullseye. Sixteen shots and you mine a pound of lead from the hillside. :eek: :)
 
The defenders of Stalingrad had to use whatever came to hand. They spoke highly of the Norwegian Krag in 6.5X55 because of its reliability and accuracy. (When you are issued seven rounds a day accuracy is paramount.)

I still have a lot of 170gr Silvertips on hand from the days when they were available as a component.They should work well in the American Krag with 180gr data.,
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And, no, I am not a signatory to the Hague Conventions.
 
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I'd probably just grab this...
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A lot of people must think they will have constant supply lines to support their given rifle with more magazines and ammo. While the "Red Dawn" talk may turn some off I think it would rather quickly boil down to you would defend yourself with whatever you could get your hands on which would be what your enemy is dropping. You could pretty much start off with whatever you want but at some point you are going to have to start picking up whatever you can. I've talked with some Serbian friends that lived through some really tough times and stocking up on a rifle and ammo is paramount but you would need a lot more than just that.
 
Engineer1911 said:
For trench warfare, try a Sharps (replica) and 400 yard targets. The big 400 to 500 grain bullets will fall onto them from the sky. My current 420 grain Saeco load is something like BANG..silence..TWACK from the 100 yard bullseye. Sixteen shots and you mine a pound of lead from the hillside. :eek: :)
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Like most artillery batteries in the 80's mine was equipped with large numbers of M2 Brownings. In fact some of the gunners told me that when going through 13B (gunners) school they actually spent more time learning the care and feeding of the M2 than the howitzer. We were at a firing range one time and some infantry who were watching were quite surprised when we started doing indirect fire practice on a simulated trench 400-500 yds away. Our M2s were intended for ADA and so most vehicles had ring mounts. The same programs we used to calculate the elevation of a M102 howitzer barrel needed to drop a projectile onto a target at a given range also worked on .50 caliber and M2s. The M2 gunners would aim high enough that the bullets would arch up then drop down into the trench. I have no idea what the remaining velocity was on a .50 bullet as it falls from the sky but as the projectile is 750 gns and pointed I expect it would not be easy for soft targets to ignore.
 
that HK 91 will eat all kinds of ammo bipod and handle SR 25 for alittle to be a bit more accurate . in 223 HK 93 eats all kinds of ammo and works great in all kind s of conditions also like th P.O.F. in 223, in modern ARs there just picky on ammo american made 62 grain or higher because of 1 in 7 twist and accurate just my .02 cents
 
In the event one needs to have a battle rifle during anything more than a natural disaster for self defense, the role you will likely find yourself in is that of a refugee - fleeing from a force moving your family to a safer location - or that as an insurgent - either fighting from the shadows while in place or with others in the urban environment. The main issue will always be the resupply of ammo to fuel your rifle.
I always thought the best battle rifle was a 308 - HK, FAL, M14. But the more I think about possible scenarios, I am beginning to realize that is will be the availability of ammo that will determine what I am carrying as a rifle. If I am an insurgent, it is going to be what the opposing forces are using...eventually although it might not start off that way.
It is a great deal easier to pull ammo from the bodies of opposing forces or their supply lines than to make rounds by candle light in the basement or believe that ammo will be available at retail ( :) ).

But at my age I am more likely to die in the cold and from disease than from a bullet, making this whole discussion moot.
 
A10 said:
Looks really good as an SBR underfolder! How well does the can work?
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Unfortunately, the can is a phony; welded on to make it legal. No SBR's allowed here in Iowa. That said, the M92 still shoots great and has better open sights than my full size AK's. I've gone with optics on those.
 
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The 5.56mm AR-15 platform has served me well for over 50 years so I'll stick with my Bushmasters.

I have an "Inertia-Driven" 3" magnum 12 ga. Stoeger M-3000 (Benelli M-4 clone) for up close and personal social encounters.
 
I have a Springfield,Garand, M1A, and Benelli riot gun. I'll reach for my Colt M4 carbine with Eotech sight, and a couple of pouches full of 30 round, loaded, magazines.
 
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