"Battle" rifle discussion ...

[A10]

I'd probably just grab this...

Looks really good as an SBR underfolder! How well does the can work?

 

[LVSteve]

Please excuse my ignorance...but, what's so funny?

Anything with drum should generate the Muahahaha! type laugh. With a drum it's the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Maximumbob54]

A lot of people must think they will have constant supply lines to support their given rifle with more magazines and ammo. While the "Red Dawn" talk may turn some off I think it would rather quickly boil down to you would defend yourself with whatever you could get your hands on which would be what your enemy is dropping. You could pretty much start off with whatever you want but at some point you are going to have to start picking up whatever you can. I've talked with some Serbian friends that lived through some really tough times and stocking up on a rifle and ammo is paramount but you would need a lot more than just that.

 

[walnutred]

For trench warfare, try a Sharps (replica) and 400 yard targets. The big 400 to 500 grain bullets will fall onto them from the sky. My current 420 grain Saeco load is something like BANG..silence..TWACK from the 100 yard bullseye. Sixteen shots and you mine a pound of lead from the hillside.

Like most artillery batteries in the 80's mine was equipped with large numbers of M2 Brownings. In fact some of the gunners told me that when going through 13B (gunners) school they actually spent more time learning the care and feeding of the M2 than the howitzer. We were at a firing range one time and some infantry who were watching were quite surprised when we started doing indirect fire practice on a simulated trench 400-500 yds away. Our M2s were intended for ADA and so most vehicles had ring mounts. The same programs we used to calculate the elevation of a M102 howitzer barrel needed to drop a projectile onto a target at a given range also worked on .50 caliber and M2s. The M2 gunners would aim high enough that the bullets would arch up then drop down into the trench. I have no idea what the remaining velocity was on a .50 bullet as it falls from the sky but as the projectile is 750 gns and pointed I expect it would not be easy for soft targets to ignore.

 

[islamoradamark]

that HK 91 will eat all kinds of ammo bipod and handle SR 25 for alittle to be a bit more accurate . in 223 HK 93 eats all kinds of ammo and works great in all kind s of conditions also like th P.O.F. in 223, in modern ARs there just picky on ammo american made 62 grain or higher because of 1 in 7 twist and accurate just my .02 cents

 

[Trapaa]

I was issued an M16 (pre A-1). Have a Colt R6600 A-2 in the safe.

 

[C Broad Arrow]

In the event one needs to have a battle rifle during anything more than a natural disaster for self defense, the role you will likely find yourself in is that of a refugee - fleeing from a force moving your family to a safer location - or that as an insurgent - either fighting from the shadows while in place or with others in the urban environment. The main issue will always be the resupply of ammo to fuel your rifle.
I always thought the best battle rifle was a 308 - HK, FAL, M14. But the more I think about possible scenarios, I am beginning to realize that is will be the availability of ammo that will determine what I am carrying as a rifle. If I am an insurgent, it is going to be what the opposing forces are using...eventually although it might not start off that way.
It is a great deal easier to pull ammo from the bodies of opposing forces or their supply lines than to make rounds by candle light in the basement or believe that ammo will be available at retail ( ).

But at my age I am more likely to die in the cold and from disease than from a bullet, making this whole discussion moot.

 

[CW Spook]

Looks really good as an SBR underfolder! How well does the can work?

Unfortunately, the can is a phony; welded on to make it legal. No SBR's allowed here in Iowa. That said, the M92 still shoots great and has better open sights than my full size AK's. I've gone with optics on those.

 

[MOONDAWG]

The 5.56mm AR-15 platform has served me well for over 50 years so I'll stick with my Bushmasters.

I have an "Inertia-Driven" 3" magnum 12 ga. Stoeger M-3000 (Benelli M-4 clone) for up close and personal social encounters.

 

[Cyrano]

I have a Springfield,Garand, M1A, and Benelli riot gun. I'll reach for my Colt M4 carbine with Eotech sight, and a couple of pouches full of 30 round, loaded, magazines.

 

[cavsix]

Lets not forget brother R. Lee Ermey's sage advice:
"I don't want no teenage queen,
All I want is my M-14;
Ho Chi Minh is a son-of a-*****,
Got the blue b*lls, crabs, and the seven-year itch!

 

[coltle6920]

ive never actually seen one but a saw m-249 seems like a good choice.
or m14 if you want me to be realistic ...BUT...
surplus sks are everywhere for about $220 a "sardine can" full of ammo for $150 and youll still have cash to pick up all the s&w trade ins that would be sure to happen during that crisis

I don't really think there would be time for any trade-ins if the SHTF. You could probably find something you like taking from the dead or wounded in the streets.

Has Sipowicz chimed in yet? I'm thinking his idea of survival would be stocking up on vodka and olives.

 

[MrTrolleyguy]

M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper Rifle

Why mess around with anything else? To the best of my knowledge this is the current top weapon used by our forces.

 

[BigBill]

For an affordable SHTF rifle the sks is tough to beat. I just finished up checking over a Chinese norinco m14 but I haven't test fired it yet. The headspace is ok, I installed the national match OP rod spring guide with the HD OP rod spring.

 

[islamoradamark]

if it hits the fan you should have those tools ready and lots of food to feed them

 

[rojodiablo]

A man can get a LOT of 22lr ammo in his pocket!

Heck; I got one in my LEG and hiked out 4-5 miles from where I slipped and fell on the bullet.

This said, whilst I like the 22lr, it's nowhere near the kind of stopping power to diffuse most any situation unless you are attacked by rabbits and squirrels.

If we are talking about a real down and dirty situation? I'm not going to be alone. I WILL have a co-pilot, and one of us is carrying a 308 AR. One of us is carrying a 556 AR. It's simply not a realistic thought to live in a city and have no one around you to help pick up some slack. I know where my friendly neighbors are. My sons live close by. The thought of bugging out is not real. The roads will be closed. Even if my co-pilot is a non shooter??? They will be carrying something.
Be sure whatever rifle you have for this situation is stone cold reliable, and not a picky eater. Nothing worse than having to go back to a burned down house to try and recoup a fist full of special loads Give me a hand full of whatever's clever chambered in what I have, and it will work.

 

[Wyo]

Lewis Machine and Tool MWS, same as the British military is using these days as a DMR in the 'Stan. AR-type design in .308 goodness, excellent long range accuracy, devastating up close, 20 round capacity, rail space for accessories, short and handy, and very reliable. What's not to like?

 

[Clean Break]

I'll take an M-16 A2, or maybe a M203....

or my No.1 Mk III* SMLE in .303. Clean Break.

 

[TucsonMTB]

Not much to choose from for me. Our only rifle is the Garand in the safe that is nearly as old as I am. It shoots about 2 MOA when I do my part.

Admittedly, I like having experienced assistants when involved in anything important.

It has a scout scope mounted using a UltiMAK mount to make up for my aging eyes. Yes, I realize that is sacrilege to make a proven battle rifle wear one of those modern, tacticool optics. But, it really works well.