Bear Attacks

Where’s Bear Bio when you need him? ;)

I grew up in bear county. I’m no expert but we did have many interactions with Bear. Mostly good.

In my experience black bear are much more willing to avoid man but also much more unpredictable when pushed. They can be just as deadly as a brown bear.

Brown bear seem to be much more willing to accept man’s intrusion into their playground. Until you give them a reason not to play nice.

Many times it is man’s fault when they are attacked. The bear were there first. They aren’t as smart as we are. Therefore we need to be better about our situational awareness and not give the bear a reason to defend themselves.

My father and I built a cabin out in the middle of nowhere long ago. Little did we know that we built it on a game trail. Moose and bear frequently walked by to the river not far away.

We kept a 12 gauge close by but never needed it. We nor they never forced the issue.

We returned to the cabin after a long winter to find that a bear broke in through a window. We put steel bars on and didn’t have anymore problems.

When fishing on the rivers, I’ve had brown bear walk within 20 or so yards of me. In those days everyone carried at least a 44 magnum. But it was very rare that anyone had to use it.

I found that the worst thing you could do was to take your dog hiking or camping unleashed. They see the bear and chase it only to come back to you with its tail between its legs bringing the bear with. Not good. But some people think this is the bears fault.

Situational awareness, bear spray backed by by big gun are all you need.
 
And one might wonder why our predecessors eliminated those things that would eat or stomp them....?
 
Interesting thread and response. Having lived most of my live in bear country, I have some different views. The one take away from this thread I total disagree with and is the prevailing view of the world now days, is that we are intruding on the wildlife's home and because of humans the poor critters must die. The human race has been around for at least 3 million years. We are not intruders. We are part of the world and just as much right to walk the forests and fields as any four-legged creature. .

It took humans 2 million of those years to reach a total population of 1 billion and in the last 200 we have gone from 1 billion to 7 billion. I am sure taking up a much larger portion of the planet and its resources has increased our interaction with bears.

I agree we have just as much right to walk int he woods, but should we really be putting sub division anywhere and everywhere with no regard to wildlife? I may well have every right to go into bear country. The bear also has every right to be a bear and maul me if I bump into one. We as humans perpetuate much more violence on them that they do on us.
 
And one might wonder why our predecessors eliminated those things that would eat or stomp them....?

Conversely, one might wonder why large carnivores and herbivores like bears, mountain lions, moose, elk, and buffalo hate us
 
I didn't want to hijack a thread in the "S&W Revolvers: 1980 to Present" section, so I will comment here in the "The Lounge". There was a recent thread in the above mentioned section titled "Does anybody really LIKE the 329PD?". Near the bottom of the thread Hondo44 discussed how he felt that the 329PD was one of the revolvers he thought would be great for defense against bear attacks. He included a link to a website that detailed 104 bear attacks that involved the use of handguns. I have great respect and admiration for Hondo44 and the article was interesting to read. What bothered me about the article was that a majority of the bear attacks, regardless of where they occurred, involved a bear sow and cubs. In almost every case the bear sow was killed and the cubs were left to fend for themselves. These are cases of humans injecting themselves into the bears' natural habitat (hunting, fishing, hiking, etc.) and bear sows protecting their cubs. Although I am not a big game hunter or trekker, and I am certainly not a tree hugger, I respect the rights of those who wish to hunt, fish, or hike in the wilderness. Those folks know that there is a possibility of a bear attack and most of them are well armed. It's just a shame that many of the bears that are killed during these human-bear encounters are just trying to survive in the wild and raise their cubs.
To the best of my knowledge, in MT when there is a non tagged bear shooting, as from an attack, that involves a sow, the FWP searches for and tries to capture the cubs. These are then re-located or placed in zoo's or fenced viewing areas, not just left to fend for themselves. It isn't interesting enough for the news.
 
I can find no scientific evidence that apex predators "hate". Science claims that the closest they come to any emotion is fear of humans and other predators.

I will never cause undue harm to any animal but if made to pick a team to side with it will be the bi-peds.
 
read "Bear Encounter Survival Guide" by James Gary Shelton

I didn't want to hijack a thread in the "S&W Revolvers: 1980 to Present" section, so I will comment here in the "The Lounge". There was a recent thread in the above mentioned section titled "Does anybody really LIKE the 329PD?". Near the bottom of the thread Hondo44 discussed how he felt that the 329PD was one of the revolvers he thought would be great for defense against bear attacks. He included a link to a website that detailed 104 bear attacks that involved the use of handguns. I have great respect and admiration for Hondo44 and the article was interesting to read. What bothered me about the article was that a majority of the bear attacks, regardless of where they occurred, involved a bear sow and cubs. In almost every case the bear sow was killed and the cubs were left to fend for themselves. These are cases of humans injecting themselves into the bears' natural habitat (hunting, fishing, hiking, etc.) and bear sows protecting their cubs. Although I am not a big game hunter or trekker, and I am certainly not a tree hugger, I respect the rights of those who wish to hunt, fish, or hike in the wilderness. Those folks know that there is a possibility of a bear attack and most of them are well armed. It's just a shame that many of the bears that are killed during these human-bear encounters are just trying to survive in the wild and raise their cubs.

You are right. Bear spray should always be your first choice and I say this as someone who lost a friend to an unprovoked male bear attack. Firearms use should be a last resort. Everyone who lives, works or plans to travel intro BEAR country should buy and read "Bear Encounter Survival Guide" by James Gary Shelton and it would be wise to read all his books as I have.

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I came into contact with Mr. Shelton as a result of my friend's death by bear attack and feel he is more than worth listening to!!! His words will save not only many peoples' lives but many bears lives as well, if people listen to him!

"James Gary Shelton's three books regarding bear attacks and how to survive them is the most comprehensive body of work ever written on this subject. The research done for this material was so solid that very little revision has been necessary. The reader is also treated to a realistic view of how nature works, and the author shows how politically-correct bear management policies is endangering people's lives. Don't head into bear country without the important information in these books."

Julie McVarnock

Editor, Pallister Publishing


WHERE THE BEAR WALKS

Source: Where the Bear Walks: Defending James Gary Shelton

With my hopes of visiting Glacier National Park this summer, I feel that it's potentially in my best interests to broaden my perspective on bears to the greatest extent that I can manage. I've written extensively about the individual personalities of bears and Glacier Park is one place where that is most evident, considering the lower food rations in Montana compared to the abundance of Southeast Alaska. To prepare, I'm absorbing enough information to reach the level of unofficial PhD and that requires me to re-evaluate sources of information that I previously rejected.

Chief among those are the books of James Gary Shelton, one of the most militant and opinionated bear researchers out there, and one of the most vilified by conservationists. I myself contributed to that with a scathing review of his book Bear Attacks: The Deadly Truth (Thursday January 28, 2010), which merely reflected my own point of view at the time. Now that I've learned so much more, and in keeping with the picture I've been piecing together in my recent posts, I've taken a more informed look at his work and found two surprising things: (1.) That I'm in agreement with many (though not all) of his points, and (2.) That thinking about his writing has answered a major question that I posed almost a year ago. Before we get into that, though, let's begin with some background.

Shelton started out as a hunting guide in Bella Coola, British Columbia in the 1960s, then, concerned that grizzly bear populations were threatened by overhunting, he became chairman of the Central Coast Grizzly Management Committee, a group devoted to bear conservation. Among other things, they put a number of restrictions on hunting laws that allowed bear populations to skyrocket in the late 1970's and throughout the 80's. In fact, the numbers became so high that they exceeded the local habitat's carrying capacity and the inevitable result occurred: predatory attacks on livestock that were soon re-directed towards people.

Last year I put together a post entitled The Great Bear Conundrum (Sunday March 6, 2011) which questioned the reasons for abnormally aggressive black bear behavior in northern British Columbia and interior Canada. Unlike many of their lower 48 cousins, these black bears not only defend their young as fiercely as grizzlies do, but they have also been responsible for some of the most chilling attacks ever recorded. Who can forget the attack at Liard Hot Springs, when one lone black bear killed two people and injured two others in one assault before being shot? Or, even more chilling, the three young men who were killed one at a time in Algonquin Provincial Park, their bodies stored as a food cache?

I was initially critical of Shelton's writing because it portrays bears in exactly this mercilessly savage light, but now I find it funny that it took me this long to realize that he lives in the heart of this highly volatile bear population and has written his books from that perspective. Knowing that, I'm writing this partly to make up for my earlier bashing of his work and partly to help people realize that he's only doing what almost every other bear researcher does: presenting his information as a reflection of the animals he knows rather than the species as a whole. I think what finally earned my respect was his acknowledgment of these differences. Commenting on Lynn Rogers and his work with the black bears of Minnesota, Shelton says that he has no doubt that Rogers is perfectly safe. He says those bears subsist on grasses, berries, and insects and that the habitat can sustain enough of these natural foods to keep them satiated, just as the coastal grizzlies of Alaska differ in temperament from their interior cousins because of the abundance of berries and salmon available to them. The black bears of northern British Columbia, however, must endure short, cool summers and harsh winters that don't allow for the growth of such prime vegetation. The result is an animal that must rely more on meat and that has become more carnivore than omnivore.

What irks some environmentalists the most about Shelton is his solution to the problem. First, Shelton controversially challenges the opinion that bear attacks are always the fault of the victims. He contends that sometimes it is the fault of the bear, because that is what opportunistic predators often do. I've come to agree with this thinking 100% (sure, the night of the grizzlies and my feelings on that probably have something to do with it), but it causes literal mouth-foaming from those who want to keep a perpetual halo over the animal's heads. Shelton believes that there are not always clear explanations or reasons for bear attacks and that safety advice is alarmingly incomplete and untrustworthy, though he does promote many of Stephen Herrero's (author of Bear Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance, THE top bear safety guide ever written) views. Shelton carries bear spray but advocates firearms and controlled hunting to promote fear of humans in the bear population. In fact, he has helped put hunting regulations in place that have not only brought the bear population down to a more workable level but that have brought down the staggering number of attacks as well.

So how does that fit with all of my previous assertions that hunting can actually make bears more dangerous to people? Can both be true? I've thought a lot about that and here's my theory: I think that bears that are normally shy and timid around people could certainly be made more aggressive by it, particularly in close encounters, while bears that are already aggressive - especially in the predatory sense - can only be made less so. After all, they've clearly learned that people are easy to hunt and easy to kill, so "striking back" will no doubt teach them to re-evaluate that assessment and, in Sheldon's case at least, it seems to have worked extremely well.

F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote about holding two contradictory thoughts in your mind at one time. The study of bears seems to contain more contradictory thoughts than any other field I'm aware of. Bears are killers, bears are not killers; hunting makes bears more aggressive, hunting makes bears more respectful. All of these are true. The further I go, the more I realize what a thin line this is and how careful you have to be to not veer too far to either side. But I'm also realizing that that's a good thing, that a diversity of information, thoughts, and opinions can be useful if I'm walking through the mountains of Montana, or anywhere in bear country. Only then can I be most adequately prepared for any and all possibilities. The way I see it, I can only benefit from walking through those woods believing that nothing out there wants to kill me, yet knowing that somewhere out there in the dark woods...there may be something that does.
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I consider Mr. Shelton as my friend and one of the finest gentleman I ever met!

Rocky
 
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You are right. Bear spray should always be your first choice and I say this as someone who lost a friend to an unprovoked male bear attack. Firearms use should be a last resort. Everyone who lives, works or plans to travel intro BEAR country should buy and read "Bear Encounter Survival Guide" by James Gary Shelton and it would be wise to read all his books as I have.

I came into contact with Mr. Shelton as a result of my friend's death by bear attack and feel he is more than worth listening to!!! His words will save not only many peoples' lives but many bears lives as well, if people listen to him!

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mr. Shelton is the best author available on the subject.

If you haven’t read his works, you’re missing a huge reservoir of experience and expertise.
 
Could not find any solid numbers, but I think 3 deaths total. Thing is in 1970 there were only about 500 bison in the park, but, the population has gone way up and there is now over 5000 of them in the park. There are only about 150 grizzlies and a total of little over 700 bears in the park. The bison also frequent the areas near and even on the roads. Bears not so much now that feeding them is a no no.

I believe that people being idiots is more apt to cause a bison goring where bear attacks are more apt to be wrong place wrong time.

There are constant reports of people just flat getting to close to bison. Recently 2 bulls were fighting on the road and 2 Marlin Perkins wanna bes, got out and stood and filmed by their front fender while the bison fought at the back bumper on the same side. Nit Wits. 2 hunks of 2000# sex mad muscle that can cover 20 ft faster than you can blink. What could go wrong?
 
In a small Colorado town was a Boy Scout camp. In the summers various troops would camp out there in their tents. For 2 consecutive years black bears had grabbed boys in their sleeping bags. While Canadians call a bear attack while in a sleeping bag as "Canadian take out" here we call it " a snack in a sack". Both boys were rescued by adult leaders and fellow scouts' shouts. I said it before in an above post, anyone think Yogi is just misunderstood and only bothers others when startled, should watch the YouTube "Scary Bear Attacks, and the Colin McCelland episode.
 
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I do think some people misunderstand Yogi. But, I also think that believing they are serious people predators is also wrong. I do think that if you are in his nick of the woods he will sometimes do what bears sometimes do. Thinking all bears think and act the same would be as foolish as trusting all people although the majority of neither will purposely seek out and try to kill you. The ones that will will. The odds of meeting a killer bear are probably less than meeting a Jeffry Dalmer type human.

But, knowing kids as I know kids especially camping, I do have to wonder just what those boys smelled of when the crawled into those bags. Plus, the prior history of their activities.

The big "Night of the Grizzlies" in Glacier was as much the faulty of human behavior as natural bear behavior.

But, if you insist on camping, fishing, etc where there are bears on occasion one of them might decide it is snack time, or even just check out the weird smelling "fawn". You do have a right to defend yourself. But, we do spend far more time in the territory they live their whole life in than they spend in the areas the vast majority of us live the majority of our lives in. The more of us who frequent their areas the more interactions their are. Who really know if the ratio of bad interactions goes up or down, but the very fact that there are more people in bear country means more bad interactions NOT less just on shear volume.

I also believe hunting bears helps them keep a health fear of humans. After all we are far more danger to bears, than bears are to us.

I am going to keep on camping and enjoying the forests. Maybe I will met my bear. but even though I spend weeks a year camping in grizzly habitat, and live where I see bears within a couple miles several times every year, I doubt it and have far more concerns . Like having had 3 trees blow over on my place in the last 2 years. :)
 
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Have a different perspective than many on this thread, that we as intruders are the problem. Building houses in their territory. Our little mountain town has been here since the 1870's. Asked many an old timer what the wildlife situation was like in the early 20th century. Everyone asked said they had never seen a bear in town and maybe one deer a year inside the city. Many an old timer had never seen a bear. Now in our town of 2500 people there are 11 active bears according to wildlife official. And the deer population in town has exploded. Well over 100 deer live in town and routinely wander down main street and sleep in people's yards. Yesterday I saw a doe eating beside a bike lane. A cyclist rode within 6 feet of her while she was eating, and she never looked up. Watched a man moving his yard while a buck was sleeping in the yard. The deer only woke when the mower got within feet and went back to sleep when it passed. Man is not the problem. Moose now regularly sleep near my porch and are not the least concerned we are on the deck mere yards away. Reading diaries and stories of early mountain men, starvation was a common theme. Many nearly died from lack of game to shoot as did many Indian tribes and would assume many did die. Louis and Clark talk about starving Indians eating the intestines raw while still attached to the animal they had just shot for meat. Zenus Leanord's chronicles being on the first overland trip to California tell of starvation after leaving the great Salt Lake and killing only one rabbit till they saw the first deer track on the west side of the Sierra Nevada Mountain, all these regions are now teaming with wildlife since man arrived. The earliest reports of Texas migration talk of no game animals to shoot. These areas are now overrun by deer and are known as rats with hooves. Growing up far from town on the banks of a river, I was 16 years old when I saw my first Canadian goose. Now that region is thick with them and are tame to the point you can walk within a foot of them, and they pay you now attention. Goose **** on everything. We have even had several mountain lions living in town, one denning up near the high school. No man is not the death nell to wildlife and is often the greatest reason so many exist. This is just not what the Disney crowd want people to believe.
 
Ever stop to think that it is not your little mountain town, but all the other new towns, cabins, 5 acre ranches and the like areas not all that far away. Although your town may be the same I bet the adjacent areas have more people in them either full or part time. When they but in that subdivision 30 miles or even 100 miles down the way the wild life there moved and they displaced wildlife when they moved too. A chain reaction. Face it in 1925 there were 1 million people in CO, now there are almost 6 million. How can you believe 5 million more people are not displacing animals. I don't care if 4 million of them live in Denver and Colorado Springs the other million are spreed every where and plenty of those in the cities spend time in the great outdoors,as many of them moved to CO for that. Not only do those people consume wildlife habitat and cause their displacement, they also expose the wildlife to more people and of course familiarity breed contempt.

All the deer and the occasional cat in your village didn't just say hey lets move to town for no reason and the game population isn't that much greater than 50 years ago. In fact CO deer population fell from from 600,000 in 2006 to 450,000 now

Wild life in town. Ya, we have lots of deer in town too, we also have ducks and geese, ques what that smorgus board occasionally brings in lions and recently a wolverine. Every town in Montana has more wildlife than it did 50 years ago. But then for one thing the states population is 1.5 times larger, with lots of 5 acre "ranches" But, I contend the number one reason for that increase is simple. Leash laws. When I was young there were lots of dogs running loose and no deer because a dog will chase a deer and deer don't like dogs. Now you almost never see a loose dog and do see lots of deer. Same goes for ducks geese, bears and lions. We make a great habitat for deer, nice lawns, gardens, scrubs, flowers with no dogs chasing them and then we are surprised when they decide to move into it. LMAO. Then we are surprised again when a predator notices it and moves in to.

When Lewis and Clark went though Montana there were not as many deer, but there were millions of Bison and antelope. The Indians around here ran them off cliffs. I do not believe either man visited anywhere near present day Colorado. Where they ran into a shortage of game was in the Lolo area, near the mountains. Plenty of deer there now. Also lots of acres of, alfalfa and hay fields where humans cleared the trees and made farm land. Man change the country then the game changed.

My Grandpa told me when he was a kid there were plenty of deer, but during the dirty 30s there were none. Between drought and people killing them to eat during the depression they flat dissapeared. Now the bottom lands have more than ever, of course there are sprinkler systems irrigation ditches etc. Hmm more hay, more deer, more deer more predators, imagine that.

I put a 7' dia water tank in my yard for a place to take a dip and cool off, now the deer who used to leave to go down to the creek to water are here a lot more, I see them drinking from the tank, Why would they walk a 1/4 mile for what I made available right there in the shade of an apple tree. None of my neighbors how keep horses near the houses anymore like everyone used too., there are more houses true all on 1 and 5 acre plots all growing lots of well watered grass and guess what the deer love it. Wonder why a lions wander through our neighborhood from time to time
 
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Steelslayer makes some valid points and reinforces some of mine. Mankind is creating the abundance of animals in so many cases. Forty years ago, there were no racoons in our town, now they are a nuisance. Geese didn't exist till we planted field for them to thrive. No moose were in Colorado till 1894 when they were introduced. Now they thrive. In our town you can look onto vast plains of empty fields of public land with no wildlife. Turn around and look at town and wildlife are flourishing. Excuse my zealousness on this subject but it has been a passion of mine and source of study. I didn't see my first elk till I was 16. They cover every golf course around here now. Mankind is one of the greatest proliferators of wildlife. As to his estimates on deer population I will believe it accurate but, BUT it was not man that killed off the herds by 2006. It was the severe winter of 2003 that destroyed so much of our game. I had a herd of @1,000 elk living below my house. After that winter it was 16 months before I saw another elk and it was a single cow. We had snow that covered up the stop signs. Few deer survived, and those that did, survived in town and on ranches where they could get food. As to the plains being full of buffalo and antelope during mountain man times, is accurate but again the evidence does not always support the availability. One trapping expedition left St. Louis and were near starvation while trying to reach the mountains. They were eating their horse just as Louis and Clark had to do. This expedition was turning around and making a desperate attempt to get back to civilization before starving to death, when they finally spotted the mountains in the distance. Louis and Clark expedition was always hungry. When encountering native tribes, the first thing they did was trade for meat. The natives sold them dogs to eat. They ate so many dogs that the natives referred to them as the puppy eaters. In most of these areas of starvation are now abundant with game. Again, please excuse me for my zealousness on this subject. It is a passion. There are many things that man does destroy wildlife, like dog teams in Alaska where native killed 25 caribou a year per team just to feed their dogs or depleted the rivers of salmon with their fishwheels to feed their teams. Now some rivers are closed to fishing altogether because of depleted numbers. It is a fascinating subject when you delve deep into the subject.
 
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