best .410 home defense ammo for taurus judge??

[ParadiseRoad]

...give 'em both barrels...

Say hello to the Pedersoli .45/.410 double barrel Howdah pistol

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[77blackcj5]

Yesterday I watched a you tube video of the federal 000 410 ammo and it shredded the gel block at close range with multiple shots. I will have to decide for myself I guess. From what I can tell most burglars only attempt it when their sure your not there to avoid confrontation. Not really overly worried about invasion but trying to be more ready than before.

 

[vipermd]

Want to stand in front of those first two?

Rather not, though I do not know of any documented shootings with the PDX1 load, so I do not know if it would penetrate through sternum, and through organs ( Heart & lung ) to destroy or disrupt them to stop the attack. A 45 Colt will pass through an arm, chest, organs. You can reach the heart with a 3.5 " needle through the anterior chest wall, avoiding the sternum and lung in a controlled condition. I would be curious to see any actual shooting reports with the PDX1 or any other 410 shells fired from a handgun. I have 2 Judges which shoot 45 colt well, they tend to spray 410 loads starting at about 5 feet, the 20 foot "pattern" is poor, 3" chamber and barrel. You tube using PDX1 and 3 000 buck pellets on a pork shoulder, did get through 2 sheets of dry wall, did not make it through all 4 sheets of dry wall, shot from 10 feet. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXHzFntUAp4 It did break pork rib I do not know how it would fare with the sternum. Be Safe,

 

[Rivoak]

What's the best .410 handgun ammo for the judge that shouldn't penetrate a wall. Have kids in bedrooms close by? I picked up a box of Winchester pdx1 that has 3 discs and 12 shots pellets in it but haven't had a chance to try it out. Is that a good load or is there something better?

I read all the prior posts. It is true larger caliber, higher powered cartridges are better at stopping threats. However, if your goal is to stop threats without killing innocent family members, your choice is reasonable. There is a trade off in home defense where other family members behind walls may be in a line of fire.

For people who scoff at .410 pistols as being anemic, all I can say is I have used a .410 loaded with #4 to send a number of armadillos to the afterlife, and the ammo had to penetrate a rather thick shell.

Maybe some people might not stop charging you after the first hit, that's why they make 410 revolvers. A fully loaded judge with 00 buckshot can put the equivalent of 30 22 caliber rounds into an attacker in about 5 seconds. Even the toughest would probably be on the ground after the second round.

PDX is a good defense round because even if you"miss" on the first round you are likely to splatter the perp with some of the small shot. That gives you time in the next second to refine your aim.


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[Brasky]

Want to stand in front of those first two?

Mentioned it before but I'll mention it again. I wouldn't want to stand in front of a pellet gun but it would be my last choice for self defense

To the op: you shouldn't shoot towards your kids regardless of caliber or ammo used. No way I would trust a projectile to stop in the wall

 

[Hair Trigger]

Specific tactics for your floorplan aside, if the Judge is what you're planning to use for home defense, I'd go with three of the #4 shotshells, and then two .45 Colt JHP's. I support the evidence in the blog posted by 5.56guy that the shotshells probably wouldn't stop or kill, and would probably not penetrate two layers of drywall. Three of them would, however, disorient and divert an attacker while you are moving to position yourself for a safe background for the last two shots (the .45 Colt's) to finish the guy off. I don't see the Judge as much more than a novelty firearm, wouldn't own one myself. Too heavy and too limited. I'd have a back-up handy if I was using one for home defense.

 

[Gamecock]

Want to stand in front of those first two?

Non sequitur.

 

[johneric]

Hornady 410 Critical Defense

Hornady 410 Critical Defense

 

[crittrgittr]

Your pdx round should be a good choice .I prefer the federal buckshot load that is designed for handguns it groups very well out of my governor.You will find a lot of judge and governor hate on here mainly from people who have never tried one.It just does not fit their idea of a handgun.So in the end what you need to do is try a few different rounds and make up your own mind.Good luck and good shooting.

This depends on which judge you have. I have a poly which you can not use Federal buckshot in because it will bind up the cylinder. I found this out after buying it and shooting them. I. Basically bought the gun just for that round and now can't use it. Hopefully you have a different version. Otherwise the Winchester rounds are in mine now.

 

[Gulfecho]

Watch from 6:15 in. All 4 Federal 000 buck pellets made it completely through the ballistic gel. Not bad at all:

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[Steven1952]

Most arguments of "stopping power" seem to mean "Kill power". If I'm using a .410/.45 revolver I'm not trying to kill. I only want to stop the attack. If I truly want to kill I'm shooting something with a 7.62 mm slug MINIMUM through a 14 inch barrel or longer. (30.06 is my first choice)
If I'm using a handgun my preferred results are 1:The sight of the handgun will give the perp second thoughts, 2:One shot will be enough to cause them to flee whether they are hit or not, 3:If I have to shoot them it will slow them down so I can get away or, if in my home, they will be disabled from further action.
Two things I would prefer to avoid 1:An extended gun battle, 2:Killing another person, even if I am "in the right". That is why I would be inclined to fire multiple rounds of shot or a self defense disk/shot round in a handgun.
Just my thoughts, take it for what it's worth.

 

[t3hgruu]

I have recently switched to a governor as my main HD handgun. Over penetration was one of the reasons as I have kids as well. However, as has already been stated, any round that will be terminally effective on a human being will go through drywall. Even the .410 buckshot. Shot placement is very important.

I keep mine loaded with 3 rounds of Federal 000 buck and 3 rounds of Underwood .45 colt maximum expansion every other round. The penetration on the Colt isn't too impressive, however they expand to about 1.7". My hope is that should a shot not be true that if it does go through 4-6 layers of drywall that it will have lost some velocity.

I use the Federal over the PDX1 because I had a round that I put in my Bond arms that was a dud. All the boxes of Federal I used have fired. The only issue I had was once I had to use a pencil to extract a case. The rounds in that box were a little out of spec. They all went bang though.

I did a google search once and found 2 instances of Federal 000 buck being used to stop a car jacker. In both of them it was one shot and the perp was worm food. I know one of the guys used the 3" Federal shell and all 5 hit. 3 in the chest area and 2 in the throat if I recall correctly. Both uses were also with a Bond arms which has an even shorter barrel to build velocity. Granted both shootings were at near contact distance so keep that in mind too.

For me personally I feel that inside my home the distance I would shoot if need be would be close enough. I love my family and if someone enters my home I am going to find and engage for fear of my children being hurt. I live in the country and have long guns and other fire arms should I need a longer shot. I wouldn't go outside with my Governor except for a poisonous snake. It would be either my 870p, my 92, .300 blk pistol or an AR type rifle.

I also wouldn't carry a judge or governor on the street, at least not loaded with .410, and they would be harder to conceal. I do keep a bond arms loaded with .410 in my pocket or in a driving holster during road trips, but that is in addition to a 1911 on my hip. The derringer is just another option incase someone approaching gives off a bad vibe. I can stick my hand in my pocket and prepare without raising an alarm or clearing leather in case my judgement is wrong.

Please forgive me if my post is a little rambling. Just sharing my thought and opinions. And they are just that, opinions. You have to think and decide what is best for you and yours. Good luck and God bless.

 

[silversnake]

Most arguments of "stopping power" seem to mean "Kill power". If I'm using a .410/.45 revolver I'm not trying to kill. I only want to stop the attack. If I truly want to kill I'm shooting something with a 7.62 mm slug MINIMUM through a 14 inch barrel or longer. (30.06 is my first choice)
If I'm using a handgun my preferred results are 1:The sight of the handgun will give the perp second thoughts, 2:One shot will be enough to cause them to flee whether they are hit or not, 3:If I have to shoot them it will slow them down so I can get away or, if in my home, they will be disabled from further action.
Two things I would prefer to avoid 1:An extended gun battle, 2:Killing another person, even if I am "in the right". That is why I would be inclined to fire multiple rounds of shot or a self defense disk/shot round in a handgun.
Just my thoughts, take it for what it's worth.

The whole point of "stopping power" is to rapidly incapacitate a bad guy, whether or not he lives or dies is irrelevant. Using weaker ammunition seems like a way to get into that extended gun battle you're trying to avoid (and still carries the possibility of killing the bad guy too).

If your goal is a less lethal option why not a shotgun with beanbags or maybe a Taser?

 

[crittrgittr]

Probably not anything I'll ever have to worry about unless they make it all the way thru house into my bedroom door opening. Just thinking things out cause we suffered a break in last week while we were gone. We have since gotten adt security system installed. I just picked up a box of the federal handgun 000 buckshot it looks better than the pdx1. Just can't imagine a bg being able to take 5 rds of buckshot.

If you have a Judge poly make sure you practice with many rounds first. That ammo, even though for handgun will bind up a judge poly. I discussed this on a Judge forum and is a major problem. I own one and have personally experienced it.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Non sequitur.

No, it's a question . . .

 

[Gamecock]

No, it's a question . . .

"Want to stand in front of those first two?"

A question unrelated to self defense.

I don't like being hit by water balloons, and wouldn't volunteer to stand in front of them.

 

[epj]

Some years back, I did some testing on various .410 buckshot loads. The ones with the 0000 shot patterned better than the one with the discs. May penetrate better as well.

 

[forrestinmathews]

I'd load it with whatever it takes to get it traded in on a realistic defensive weapon. If I was camping maybe it makes sense. I'm not opposed to radical approaches, but these revolvers are ugly and if they really don't get any power out of the shot shells...useless. It was an attempt to get something more for nothing extra and all succeeded in was creating something extra providing nothing more. It was aimed at the unprepared to create reassurance. Buy an AK pistol, it's more powerful and simpler to use and maintain...

 

[Gamecock]

I'd load it with whatever it takes to get it traded in on a realistic defensive weapon. If I was camping maybe it makes sense. I'm not opposed to radical approaches, but these revolvers are ugly and if they really don't get any power out of the shot shells...useless. It was an attempt to get something more for nothing extra and all succeeded in was creating something extra providing nothing more. It was aimed at the unprepared to create reassurance. Buy an AK pistol, it's more powerful and simpler to use and maintain...

I disagree. The Judge et al do have a real niche. Shot loads for snakes, .45 Colt for self defense. There are some people, e.g., in urban apartments, with children, where penetration is a real issue, so a triple-ought buck load is rational.

But, yeah, all the other stuff is BS/marketing.

 

[epj]

At "across the room" distance, I would expect the buckshot loads to be quite lethal. May be wrong, but there's one by my bedside.