Best Handgun Caliber to Shoot A Rampaging Chimp With

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I hate it when I read something I posted and realize I left out a whole word. My post should have said "want to take" but at the time I was laughing at my own immature humor and trying to censor myself. I think that was about the third time I tried to type it without being offensive. Anyway, on to serious issues.

How would a chimp's fur impact a hollowpoint's ability to expand? Seriously, if denim fabric can change how a hollowpoint expands, that thick fur would have to have some effect. And what about all the vermin living in the fur? Chimps are always picking fleas from their fur. How many fleas would it take to clog a hollowpoint?
 
Whatever anti-chimp cartridge I used, I'd carry it in banana clips...
 
I am just looking for honest opinions. What if the chimp was wearing a flea collar? Wouldn't you want to be able to change your ammo, knowing that you would not be dealing with the flea barrier?
 
I found a GI 1911A1 in .45ACP, loaded with Hardball, did the job just fine when the time was right.
 
While this thread has been somewhat tounge-in-cheek, there should be a concern among LEOs about exotic animals. How many agencies know of exotic animals in their jurisdiction? Are they prepared, both mentally and with the proper equipment, to deal with an escaped lion, chimp, or giant snake (last week there was a news story about an 18 foot snake that attacked a toddler)? In the last department I worked, we carried Glock 21s with Win Ranger ammo and a Rem 1187 12 guage with 00 buck. Tac officers also carried an AR-15 and we had two marksmen with .308 rifles. We had an exotic animal farm in the adjoining county. Were we prepared for an escaped lion or cougar? I doubt it. Game wardens routinely carry .30-06 rifles; is that enough for a 500 pound lion? I don't know, but I think the original question, although somewhat humorous, is a valid concern for law enforcement agencies and the populace they are sworn to protect.
 
Laws dealing with dangerous / exotic pets vary greatly depending on the state you live in. Some places don't allow people to own such animals. Others do.

Adult chimps are a handful. Like most animals, chimps will often times make a display of aggression before attacking. This is the time to start shooting--not when the things is closing the distance fast.
 
I'm waiting to hear what the training sounds like to teach LEO's how to Mirandize chimps! I mean you gotta' know someone will suggest it, what with the quality of people at the wheel anymore?
 
Laws dealing with dangerous / exotic pets vary greatly depending on the state you live in. Some places don't allow people to own such animals. Others do.

In addition, some people choose to obey laws and others do not. So who knows what kind of critter may be found running loose. I have had my fun with this thread, but I do agree that dangerous animals running around in the wrong place are a serious issue.

One of the biggest problems I have seen when it comes to law enforcement officers and animals is shot placement. Not poor shot placement because of poor marksmanship, but poor shot placement because the officer has no idea where the vitals are on the animal. Fewer and fewer law enforcement officers are hunters or grew up on farms etc.

In one instance an officer was attempting to dispatch a deer that had been injured by a vehicle. Knowing that he had been having problems killing deer with his pistol, he decided the shotgun would be a better choice. Several rounds of #4 buckshot later the deer eventually bled out. The guy had no idea where to shoot the poor thing and just kept blasting away in different areas. So everyone got a memo stating the obvious, that crippled deer can easily be killed with a pistol shot to the head.

The next memo was even more entertaining. All shots fired by officers had to be reported in a use of force report. All you had to do on the form was put your name on in, check a box or two, and write "shot injured deer". Apparently that was waaay to much work for our next genius. So he decides that rather than shoot the deer and have to fill out the form he would just beat the deer to death with his PR-24 baton. By the way he did this on the side of a busy six lane road during morning rush hour. I had never put much thought into it, but apparently it takes a while to beat a deer to death with a PR-24 given the number of people who called in to complain.

One thing about animals, like the two unfortunate deer mentioned above, is that they have a strong will to survive. I have seen a lot of game animals like deer take a well placed round from a rifle and run for a while. That deer was running to survive. An ape could use that same amount of willpower to rip you to shreds after he was shot. Knowing that the ape would eventually die would be of no great comfort to me while I was being mutilated.

If I were forced to decide on a handgun cartridge to shoot a rampaging chimp with I think I would choose the 10mm. In an MP5 of course. I would certainly not advise taking one on with a PR-24.
 
I think the thing is, you don't get to decide. If you're "forced to decide" the decision has already been made, the big monkey is comin' at you. You shoot whatever you have (hopefully). How do you prepare for a rampaging Chimpanzee??? What about runaway circus elephants? It happens, but I'm not carrying around a .460 rifle!

I don't know, though...maybe I will...
 
Originally posted by 940lvr:

"The next memo was even more entertaining. All shots fired by officers had to be reported in a use of force report. All you had to do on the form was put your name on in, check a box or two, and write "shot injured deer". Apparently that was waaay to much work for our next genius. So he decides that rather than shoot the deer and have to fill out the form he would just beat the deer to death with his PR-24 baton. By the way he did this on the side of a busy six lane road during morning rush hour. I had never put much thought into it, but apparently it takes a while to beat a deer to death with a PR-24 given the number of people who called in to complain."

Reminds me of another one of the hundreds of stupid things I've done but got away with unscathed:

I had been a new deputy working the road for about 9 or 10 months. Our department's written policy and procedures stated that, when a deputy discharged his weapon in the line of duty, on duty or off, for any other purpose than training, he would write a report AND a memo to his division commander AND appear when ordered before a shooting review board. The board would be made up of 6 or 8 captains, the under-sheriff, the chief deputy, mebbe the sheriff himself if it was a slow day, I guess. As a rookie deputy, it seemed a wise course of action to avoid doing things that put me in front of review boards if at all possible.

What I didn't know was, at that time, the policy was being rewritten to add shooting injured animals to the short list of shootings that didn't require appearing before the shooting review board. The in-practice policy was that the review board would review your report and the memo and, unless they saw something that needed attention, that was that.

Like I said, I didn't know that!

So, late one dark winter graveyard shift, while I am patroling vigilantly, I encounter a very large mule deer doe with three broken legs standing on the side of the road. Forested area, at the mouth of the canyon Snowbird and Alta ski resorts are in. Been hit by a car that has left the area. Obviously needs to be put down.

Needs to be put down... want to avoid review board... hmmmm......

I figured for a minute that I could probably shoot it and no one would know, and if someone living near by heard the shot and called in, I would be the one sent to check it out. With my luck, though, I figured that if I did shoot it without advising dispatch and pulling a case number, my sergeant would materialize out of the darkness and I would be in worse shape than the deer.

After cogitating for a few minutes, the very dim light bulb in my head went on. I had a nice, large and very sharp hunting knife in my briefcase! (For purpose of topicality, the knife WAS a S&W product.) The deer looked pretty weak, breathing fast, was down on it's stomache, drooping it's head, not moving other than that. I could grab my knife, grab the deer by the head, lift the head a bit and slice the doe's jugular veins in one fell swoop. A quick, probably painless death and no gunfire to risk or to report!

My plan went well until I touched the deer. Suddenly, it got new lease on life! It tried to get to it's feet, but only one leg was still undamaged. It started to flail wildly with the broken front legs, swinging them like a wild man's clubs! I hanged on, and desperately attempted to saw the poor creatures throat so it could bleed out and pass from this world.

I was lucky I didn't cut a finger or hand off! It took a bit, but finally my blade found the veins and blood started spurting from the neck. I release the deer's head, which I had wrapped my right arm around, and pulled away. The deer climbed up the frozen, plowed snowbank at the road's edge and collapsed. It stopped breathing seconds later.

I was a sight. I was drenched in sticky, rapidly cooling blood and had deer hair all over, too.

Business had been slow, so I decided I would run home, check out for lunch, take a fast shower and change uniforms. I thought I was being quiet, but my wife was awakened by the running water and came into the bathroom just as I took off my gun belt.

The first I knew of her presence was when she screamed! I must have looked like a lawn mower got me! It took a few seconds to tell her I was unhurt, it wasn't my blood!

I don't know if I violated any policy or broke any laws, but I did wait for 7 years to let the statute of limitations pass on any possible offense, before I told anyone about it!
 
Spank your monkey with a 10 and he won't get back up again.

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Model 610-2 "Monkey Buster"
 
TRUE STORY--A friend's family had a chimp as a pet, he was mean.
One night he got on the roof of the house and started to pull the shingles off and throw them at the family. The father had as much as he could stand of the chimps antics. He went inside and came out with his 38 spl. On about the fifth shot he knocked him off the roof. I don't know what loads he was useing but the fifth shot 'did da deal', the first four shots ventilated the roof.
 
Great pic Richard Simmons. I have that same gun (the Lew Horton 1 of 300). It is a safe queen. I would use my 4-inch 610:

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Or perhaps my Limited Edition stainless Bisley 357 Mag
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Or perhaps my GP100 357 Mag
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Or perhaps my AMT/IAI 10mm Mag Automag IV:
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The chimp in question had enough training to grab a set of keys, open the door, and head over to the car....I am thankful that the chimp didn't get his hands on a glock...

Taking on a chimp with a handgun, at a minimum, it would be a .357 magnum loaded up with Buffalo Bore 180 gr LFN-GCs

In reality I'd be reaching for the heaviest thing I got which is a 45/70 Government, 405 grain Remington rounds...fired from a Marlin Lever Action.

Back in the day, I worked on a farm where a 2000 lbs Holstein Bull went over the edge and was chasing the farm owner. The farmer had crawled under a pick-up truck and the bull was beating the H*ll out of the truck. I was coming with a pitch-fork, when the farmers wife opened up with a Ruger .44 Magnum Carbine. The Bull fell on the 7th shot, but she shot him 3 more times just in case. All were good solid hits right behind the shoulder. I'm not sure what round she was using, but this took place in 1981.
 
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Very true, beemerrider. One will use whatever he or she has on hand at the time of the attack. Most chimps are not kind enough to schedule an attack ahead of time so that you can get your biggest, baddest blaster ready.

The cop that shot the chimp in this most recent attack was very likely using a 9mm or 40 S&W. The 2005 chimp attack (where the guy had his junk removed) was ended with a 45 ACP.

My main guns are all 357s or 10mms loaded with very good defense ammo.
 
Originally posted by animalmother:
Very true, beemerrider. One will use whatever he or she has on hand at the time of the attack. Most chimps are not kind enough to schedule an attack ahead of time so that you can get your biggest, baddest blaster ready.
As silly and fun as this thread is, That's exactly the reason to carry as much gun as you shoot well whenever you can.
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I'll bank on my .44 mag. 165 gr. JHP handload for chimps, or whatever other form of jackassery I run into.
 
For a 200 pound chimp, I think I would be using my .45 Colt with 250 grain lead bullet behind 8.5 grains Unique at 960 fps or maybe one of my light .41 Magnum 210 SWC's at 1,100 fps. The lightest thing I would want to use would be my .357 170 grain SWC's. I think with a really perturbed primate, the bigger the bullet the better. But I think the problem has already been outlined, trying to kill it before it rips your arm out of its socket and beats you to death with it before it bleeds out.
 
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