Best Home Defense round for heavily muscled and fat guys?

[CAJUNLAWYER]

How low have we sunk

We have went from "bear gun" threads to "Fat guy gun "threads....
What next "fat bear gun" threads???????

 

[SpecRacer]

Don't know where you live, SpecRacer, but Castle Doctrine in my state puts all that **** to bed. In my state, you run what you brung. Shoot 'em with what you got.

You are so right. SC has no "act responsible" clause. If they are in your house or in your car they are presumed to be engaged in unlawful activity. Now, why one would want to confront this person on purpose is beyond my ability to reason. I would never approach that person's line of fire. It makes no sense. I would ensure my families safety and take up a defensive position where I have all the advantage and wait for them to come into my line of fire or the cops to arrive.

 

[poorjohnny]

dont shoot him let him chase you. big fat *******s tire easy. when he sits down because he cant breath toss him a donought. that should distract him so you can hog tie him. spray paint him and tell the nieghbor hood kids he's a pinyada.

 

[Llando88]

Count me in. I used to fall asleep to that album every night as a youngster.

Wait...wait...Cosby?

Dang, I remember that now. Lol.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

You are so right. SC has no "act responsible" clause. If they are in your house or in your car they are presumed to be engaged in unlawful activity. Now, why one would want to confront this person on purpose is beyond my ability to reason. I would never approach that person's line of fire. It makes no sense. I would ensure my families safety and take up a defensive position where I have all the advantage and wait for them to come into my line of fire or the cops to arrive.

But what do you shoot the fat *** with when he comes into your line of fire? That was the original question.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

We have went from "bear gun" threads to "Fat guy gun "threads....
What next "fat bear gun" threads???????

Do you mean like for Haystacks Calhoun?

 

[Gamecock]

You are so right. SC has no "act responsible" clause. If they are in your house or in your car they are presumed to be engaged in unlawful activity. Now, why one would want to confront this person on purpose is beyond my ability to reason. I would never approach that person's line of fire. It makes no sense. I would ensure my families safety and take up a defensive position where I have all the advantage and wait for them to come into my line of fire or the cops to arrive.

So they don't break into anyone else's house any more. It is your duty. It's why there is a second amendment.

 

[SpecRacer]

But what do you shoot the fat *** with when he comes into your line of fire? That was the original question.

Stock version of Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 with no. 4 turkey shot. Then keep your mouth shut. Shut! You have nothing to say to anyone. Call a lawyer. Anything you say CAN AND WILL be used against you.

For some strange reason folks here think that the only thing they can be charged with is a homicide in a "defensive"shooting. Wrong. You can be charged with a whole host of things, none of which is excused by the "castle doctrine." And, if you are like the fellow who said "Bernie Goetz was prosecuted primarily because $*^^#%-#$%^)^& )(*%&$*^( #$%)(%&*)( $%^&* $$%Y*& &&,", you will likely be getting a call from the justice department.

Remember that a simple reckless endangerment charge, even if dismissed, is likely to cost you $10.000 to $15,000 in legal fees.

Another thing worth remembering is, would your wife be happier burying you, or having the bank come to the door to foreclose on HER home. Ask her, you will be surprised by the answer. LOL

 

[Gamecock]

It's not all about you, SpecRacer. You have a duty to protect your community.

 

[Kaedan]

I'm casting my vote for 357 magnum. At least a 4 inch barrel, and let's go with 180 grain hard cast lead.

Sternum shot, 2 inches below the clavicle. If he lives through that then God hates you or the guy is Superman

 

[gwpercle]

If , for some strange reason , you can't get a 2 bore...a 12 or 10 gauge might do, loaded with slugs or 000 buck.
Gary

 

[Muss Muggins]

The shotgun is great IF you have already taken up a defensive position that your handgun enabled you to get to. You cannot control the shotgun while you are rounding up your family and calling the cops. For some strange reason people seem to think they should be pursuing the perp in a home defense situation. This is both foolish and bad tactics. Your strategy should be to protect you and your family. This is not accomplished if you start walking around the house with a mag light and a shotgun. The goal is to not have any shots fired by anyone. Let the police handle it after you have your family in safety.

Ok, but shots are fired! For you guys that might wind up in a situation where you have to use a weapon, when the prosecutor reviews the case he/she is going to absolutely love your using a firearm called "The Judge." Next, she is absolutely going to go orgasmic when she sees the size of "The Judge" compared to a "sensible" sized gun for home defense like the LCP. Prosecutors win cases against good private citizens with drama, not with truth. If you are using a gun for home defense make sure it looks as totally plain Jane as your toaster oven, not from some movie called "Cyborg Wars 2089." Even worse, use a gun that you built and you manufactured the ammo for and you are about to begin living with a group of people that you didn't even know existed for the next many years.

Oh, one last thing. Don't use ammo with Zombies on the box. Or, for that matter, "deep penetrating", "massive shock", or "devastating" etc. The prosecutor is going to hand that box around the jury for them to see and then place it on her desk for the remainder of the trial. Congratulations, you are now officially a "gun nut" out to kill in the eyes of the jury.

There are no facts or cases which support anything that you have written above. Please point me to a link to something, anything, that backs up what you have proclaimed . . .

 

[Lee's Landing Billy]

Fighting with small arms fire is just like buying real estate...LOCATION ,LOCATION, LOCATION . If you don't get in far enough to disrupt hydraulics or electrical you are in trouble. Hydraulics will work but takes longer, electrics is like turning off the switch. We have guys here shooting that are 6 to 6 and a half feet tall and weigh up to 290. If they are turned sideways you have a lot of "stuff" to get through to get to anything of importance. Penetration and placement are vital. As to a quick secessation of hostilities, Ken Hackathorn teaches to shoot them in the face!! Ken says no matter how big or bad they are they will stop to reassess. As for penetration in handguns remember...All things being equal, weight, design, and velocity, a smaller caliber will out penetrate a larger one. We have put 200 grain hard cast .357gas check through our bullet box that went 21 inches in media that exactly duplicates autopsies of shot game. That is greater than a 358 rifle does. That will get you in to something of value. For more info on penetration I invite you to visit B&M Rifles.

 

[wcb6092]

If I was worried I would get a 10mm.If it will take care of a bear it will take care of a human.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

And, if you are like the fellow who said "Bernie Goetz was prosecuted primarily because $*^^#%-#$%^)^& )(*%&$*^( #$%)(%&*)( $%^&* $$%Y*& &&,", you will likely be getting a call from the justice department.

No, I won't. Your "logic" is not transparent, but non-existent. I challenge you to explain it, even granting you whichever justice department you meant.

Another thing worth remembering is, would your wife be happier burying you, or having the bank come to the door to foreclose on HER home.

Thank you. I knew that I was right about your getting the cart before the horse, but I appreciate your confirming it.

You've read some good books, or even taken a good course or two, but you have let your impression of them overwhelm your common sense. Leastways, that's how I see it.

 

[tinman931]

Wow. Who exactly are you p***ing off?

 

[686-380]

Lest we forget

The shotgun is great IF you have already taken up a defensive position that your handgun enabled you to get to. You cannot control the shotgun while you are rounding up your family and calling the cops. For some strange reason people seem to think they should be pursuing the perp in a home defense situation. This is both foolish and bad tactics. Your strategy should be to protect you and your family. This is not accomplished if you start walking around the house with a mag light and a shotgun. The goal is to not have any shots fired by anyone. Let the police handle it after you have your family in safety.

Ok, but shots are fired! For you guys that might wind up in a situation where you have to use a weapon, when the prosecutor reviews the case he/she is going to absolutely love your using a firearm called "The Judge." Next, she is absolutely going to go orgasmic when she sees the size of "The Judge" compared to a "sensible" sized gun for home defense like the LCP. Prosecutors win cases against good private citizens with drama, not with truth. If you are using a gun for home defense make sure it looks as totally plain Jane as your toaster oven, not from some movie called "Cyborg Wars 2089." Even worse, use a gun that you built and you manufactured the ammo for and you are about to begin living with a group of people that you didn't even know existed for the next many years.

Oh, one last thing. Don't use ammo with Zombies on the box. Or, for that matter, "deep penetrating", "massive shock", or "devastating" etc. The prosecutor is going to hand that box around the jury for them to see and then place it on her desk for the remainder of the trial. Congratulations, you are now officially a "gun nut" out to kill in the eyes of the jury.

I don't want to jump on the ridicule bandwagon but the Governor shoots .410 defensive loads too. It's unlikely that you'll kill an attacker, rather give them an immediate reason to stop whatever they're doing...

 

[SpecRacer]

It's not all about you, SpecRacer. You have a duty to protect your community.

There is no duty to protect your community in state or federal law.

But, let's do your duty as you see it.

You are in a Walmart parking lot on the way to see if .22's have come in.
In the lot you see a woman screaming on the hood of a car, holding on for dear life. The car is acting wildly. First going forward and stopping abruptly, then backward and so on. The woman continues to scream for help as she seems to hang on for dear life. The driver of the car looks like a madman to you. You are compelled by your sense of duty to assist the damsel in distress. You yell at the driver to stop the car. He tells you to go %*$#@ your self. You draw your .357 and fire 3 Super Dot Deep Penetrating, wide expansion rounds into the driver. He slumps over dead as the car rolls to a stop. You have done your duty. But wait. The woman gets off the hood and runs at you cursing, crying and then pounding on your chest saying, "You killed my boyfriend, the father of my child!"

The local patrol cop arrives you tell him your story (big mistake) and he tells you he has responded to the same couple 3 times in the last month in the same situation. The duty Sargent arrives and talks to the cop and the girlfriend. He takes possession of your gun and handcuffs you. You tell him you were just doing your duty.

That evening you are finally allowed to call your wife who can't understand that you just went to Walmart and were gone 10 hours. She calls an attorney who says he will be at the lockup at 11AM the next morning and requires a certified check for $10,000 as a retainer.

Also that night, your wife goes on Facebook to see how some of her old boyfriends from High School are doing and the patrol cop writes in his report that you fired at the driver because "I was doing my duty." That same evening the prosecutor begins examining your online posts on gun forums and their investigator finds a small arsenal of guns in your home which they confiscate. That night, Al Sharpton gets an email.

Your life as you have known it is over, but you did your Duty.

 

[686-380]

There is no duty to protect your community in state or federal law.

But, let's do your duty as you see it.

You are in a Walmart parking lot on the way to see if .22's have come in.
In the lot you see a woman screaming on the hood of a car, holding on for dear life. The car is acting wildly. First going forward and stopping abruptly, then backward and so on. The woman continues to scream for help as she seems to hang on for dear life. The driver of the car looks like a madman to you. You are compelled by your sense of duty to assist the damsel in distress. You yell at the driver to stop the car. He tells you to go %*$#@ your self. You draw your .357 and fire 3 Super Dot Deep Penetrating, wide expansion rounds into the driver. He slumps over dead as the car rolls to a stop. You have done your duty. But wait. The woman gets off the hood and runs at you cursing, crying and then pounding on your chest saying, "You killed my boyfriend, the father of my child!"

The local patrol cop arrives you tell him your story (big mistake) and he tells you he has responded to the same couple 3 times in the last month in the same situation. The duty Sargent arrives and talks to the cop and the girlfriend. He takes possession of your gun and handcuffs you. You tell him you were just doing your duty.

That evening you are finally allowed to call your wife who can't understand that you just went to Walmart and were gone 10 hours. She calls an attorney who says he will be at the lockup at 11AM the next morning and requires a certified check for $10,000 as a retainer.

Also that night, your wife goes on Facebook to see how some of her old boyfriends from High School are doing and the patrol cop writes in his report that you fired at the driver because "I was doing my duty." That same evening the prosecutor begins examining your online posts on gun forums and their investigator finds a small arsenal of guns in your home which they confiscate. That night, Al Sharpton gets an email.

Your life as you have known it is over, but you did your Duty.

So, uh, what defensive round do YOU recommend to our OP?

 

[SpecRacer]

So, uh, what defensive round do YOU recommend to our OP?

Prosecutor, "Members of the jury, Mr. 686 is now going to explain to us what he means by OP." He will also explain why "gun nuts" use such obscure terminology. Mr. 686 please explain."