Redbulladdikt
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the Viper is essentially a solid Yellow Jacket--i also have shot both out of my 15-22 but the accuracy is pretty spotty with those rounds
Best Self Defense Ammo .22?
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the Viper is essentially a solid Yellow Jacket--i also have shot both out of my 15-22 but the accuracy is pretty spotty with those rounds
geoff40
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Besides what all the detractors say, the .22 rimfire has killed a lot of people in its time, and while not the first choice of most, it is as deadly as any other gun. In a SD situation, a rapid group firing of multiple shots, all put on target, is key.
Personally, I would stick with the solid point bullets, and think penetration. I wouldn't focus too much on bullet performance.
When funds allow, think about upgrading. You can still find some great deals here and there, police trade ins, that sort of thing.
Personally, I would stick with the solid point bullets, and think penetration. I wouldn't focus too much on bullet performance.
When funds allow, think about upgrading. You can still find some great deals here and there, police trade ins, that sort of thing.
chuck s
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.22LR will certainly cause fatal wounds. That's not the point. Unless we're talking execution style at the back of the neck these wounds cause no incapacitation in less than minutes or days. We're seeking instant incapacitation in defensive situations. Otherwise the assailant will continue to fight.
Read about the 1986 FBI gunfight in Maimi. Should be plenty of sources on the web. Both bad guys took fatal gunshots early in the fight. Problem was they weren't fatal fast enough and they went on to kill 2 of the FBI agents, seriously wound 3, and hit 2 more. 7 of the 8 agents took hits.
The "gunstore magic" headshot struck Matix (bad guy) twice in the neck and head in the first few seconds of the gunfight. An ineffectual cartridge in this case: .357 Magnum. Thru the car window, but still quantums better than .22LR. Took him out of the fight. For a while...
Penetration and damage are the criteria. Penetration is paramount. Shotguns will cause fatal wounds, but without the penetration to reach vital organs incapacitation usually ain't fast enough here too.
Save the .22LR hollow points for rats.
-- Chuck
Read about the 1986 FBI gunfight in Maimi. Should be plenty of sources on the web. Both bad guys took fatal gunshots early in the fight. Problem was they weren't fatal fast enough and they went on to kill 2 of the FBI agents, seriously wound 3, and hit 2 more. 7 of the 8 agents took hits.
The "gunstore magic" headshot struck Matix (bad guy) twice in the neck and head in the first few seconds of the gunfight. An ineffectual cartridge in this case: .357 Magnum. Thru the car window, but still quantums better than .22LR. Took him out of the fight. For a while...
Penetration and damage are the criteria. Penetration is paramount. Shotguns will cause fatal wounds, but without the penetration to reach vital organs incapacitation usually ain't fast enough here too.
Save the .22LR hollow points for rats.
-- Chuck
number0009
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Just offer your invader a cup of coffee or a beer, give him your money and gun since the .22 can't stop squat.
Just as personal experience I KNOW a 22 is enough to take down an intruder. My grandpa had an 8shot revolver he kept next to his bed (not the best place in houston) and someone broke in and 4 shots and the burgler was down. Just a little piece of confidence.
team sidewinder
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As my avatar suggest Mr Intruder may get my gun and kill me .22LR or whatever cal. but not until I have used every round in the gun on him. He will for sure not live long enough to enjoy any coffee or a beer.
5.56Spartan
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I posted some accuracy and chono data in another thread (see link below).
Overall, I was real impressed with the CCI Stinger and CCI Velocitors. Both real accurate and both very snappy in the rifle.
Ammot Test with Chrono Data
Overall, I was real impressed with the CCI Stinger and CCI Velocitors. Both real accurate and both very snappy in the rifle.
Ammot Test with Chrono Data
Redbulladdikt
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as posted earlier--if the .22 is all you have then you are thinking correctly in the questioning what rounds to use--and as stated several times we really cannot answer the question with a specific brand...because everyone on this forum can tell you some rifles are more picky than others about ammo!
we are all beating a dead horse here--what it boils down to is pick up several of the suggested ammo types and SHOOT THEM!!! you have to see what is going to be reliable in your specific rifle with you loading the magazines--because you are staking your life on the rifle cycling PERFECTLY in the moment you need it...
This also raises another question--are you storing it loaded? is it locked up? are you even going to be able to get to it in ANY scenario? these are a little bit more important than ammo type in my opinion...because there are fewer things more useless than an unloaded firearm locked in a closet at 3am...
we are all beating a dead horse here--what it boils down to is pick up several of the suggested ammo types and SHOOT THEM!!! you have to see what is going to be reliable in your specific rifle with you loading the magazines--because you are staking your life on the rifle cycling PERFECTLY in the moment you need it...
This also raises another question--are you storing it loaded? is it locked up? are you even going to be able to get to it in ANY scenario? these are a little bit more important than ammo type in my opinion...because there are fewer things more useless than an unloaded firearm locked in a closet at 3am...
Wow, there are a lot of cowboys that participate in this thread. I think a common misconception about self defense firearm discharge is that you need to put the person down forever and always. In reality, if you are using a firearm for self-defense, it is suppose to be able to help you escape.(This is only for those people who are not Peace Officers or Military personnel. )
I don't know of a crook who has been shot that looked down and thought," gee, that looks like a .22lr gun wound. Im gonna be fine!"
I personally keep the CCI Stingers in my firearms at home. But I think any round nose bullet that is not a bulk manufactured round, should do just fine.
I don't know of a crook who has been shot that looked down and thought," gee, that looks like a .22lr gun wound. Im gonna be fine!"
I personally keep the CCI Stingers in my firearms at home. But I think any round nose bullet that is not a bulk manufactured round, should do just fine.
Dragon88
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There is no duty to retreat while inside your own residence in North Carolina. Same for many other states.
Yeah, I was NOT commenting about in-home defense. I was thinking about more CCW issues than in home fighting. I should have been more specific, I apologize.
senecaap
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The hotter loads (the heaviest you can) from CCI or Aguila, or for that matter the standard fare from Eley or RWS. Reliability over velocity.
Aguila Interceptor
CCI Stinger
- 40 grain copper plated solid lead bullet.
- Muzzle velocity - 1470 fps.
- Muzzle energy - 192 ft/lbs.
- 40 grain copper plated hollow point bullet.
- Muzzle velocity - 1435 fps.
- Muzzle energy - 183 ft/lbs.
CCI Stinger
- 32 grain copper plated hollow point bullet.
- Muzzle velocity - 1640 fps.
- Muzzle energy - 191 ft/lbs.
Redbulladdikt
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i have had exceptional luck with Aguila ammunition....NO FTF issues with them in either my 15-22 or a formerly owned Walther P22...good quality a great bulk prices when on sale
still prefer Federal/CCI/Winchester...but a local dealer sells me Aguila at a substantial discount ( buying a high end handgun with cash has advantages!)
Probably not, but it doesn't matter since we are talking about self defense purposes here.
davevt48732
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That's not what he asked...
thacheese
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I like the aguila stuff. Its a little pricey, and hard to find, but its great. I've tried interceptors, super maximum hollow, and round. All were good.
I think the super maximum are the highest fps on the market right now (any brand), but they are lighter bullets, more like a stinger on speed.
I have heard people refer to aguila hot loads as fast and wild, but I don't think they are any worse than any other hot load ammo I've tried accuracy wise.
I think the super maximum are the highest fps on the market right now (any brand), but they are lighter bullets, more like a stinger on speed.
I have heard people refer to aguila hot loads as fast and wild, but I don't think they are any worse than any other hot load ammo I've tried accuracy wise.
5.56Spartan
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I haven't read the entire thread so pardon if this has already been posted.
I don't know if this is still the case, but my older boxes of CCI Velocitor ammo, are marketed as Gold Dot bullets with expansion suitable for varmits. Here is a ballistic gelatin test of the Velocitor's that shows expansion.
Velocitor Ballistic Gel Test
And here is the main page of the site with all of their 22lr gelatin tests.
.22LR Ballistic Gelatin Tests
I don't know if this is still the case, but my older boxes of CCI Velocitor ammo, are marketed as Gold Dot bullets with expansion suitable for varmits. Here is a ballistic gelatin test of the Velocitor's that shows expansion.
Velocitor Ballistic Gel Test
And here is the main page of the site with all of their 22lr gelatin tests.
.22LR Ballistic Gelatin Tests
E6type,
What do you know or expect muzzle velocities to be from pistols? I would guess 1100 fps from 4-6 inch barrels, in best cases, maybe only 900s from 2,0 inch barreled revolvers.
Thanks,
Niklas
What do you know or expect muzzle velocities to be from pistols? I would guess 1100 fps from 4-6 inch barrels, in best cases, maybe only 900s from 2,0 inch barreled revolvers.
Thanks,
Niklas
