BG 2.0 with MAJOR problems

[ImDrRich]

Yesterday at the range I had, for the first time, 3 light strikes with ignition (Ammo was Blazer 95gr round nose .380).

I assumed it was the ammo and perhaps it was; I don't usually like Blazer because of the aluminum cases.

Went back to the range today and tried Aguila ammo (.380, 95gr. round nose). Shoot 30 rounds and then a round chambered and the slide locked on it. Very difficult to unlock the slide but after a few attempts of firm grip/quick pull back on the slide, the round ejected. Happened 3 more times and I decided to clean the gun.

Did a very thorough job of cleaning. Nothing out of the ordinary. Then put the gun back together as I typically do. Trigger didn't function. It could be pulled all the way to the trigger stop but didn't engage the firing mechanism. Tried with and without magazine. No trigger action. Took the gun apart and inspected. Nothing out of the ordinary. Put it back together and still no trigger. Discussed with the range officer.

Gun is going back to S&W this week.

Other comments: The Galloway Precision guide rod and spring stick out about 1/8 of an inch from the frame but can be pushed back in. I immediately put back the OEM guide rod and spring.

I've been a champion of this little gun since I first got my hands on it. Now I join the legions of others who have doubt about its functioning capability.

I don't know how long it takes S&W to fix something like this but I will report when the gun comes back.

Comments on your ideas of what was wrong appreciated.

Rich

 

[halfmoonclip]

Regarding your cleaning, did you use an oversize bore brush on the chamber? I use the regular 9mm/.38 brush on the barrel, but twist a .40 brush in the chamber. Same thing with 9mms. This, as an answer to the chambering/light strikes issue.
You did remember to push the ejector back up, after reassembling the gun?
Your trigger retained it's spring, but didn't engage the striker?
Moon

 

[ImDrRich]

Thanks for your input.

Yes, I cleaned the gun thoroughly and used a .38spl/9mm brush for the bore as usual but in over 1000 rounds have never had light strikes before. I guess I'm only connecting the dots here hypothetically and, as I stated above, never used Blazer ammo before either.

I'm extremely disappointed having gone through this - like so many others - and after praising this gun to no end, until now.

 

[ladder13]

I decided a couple months ago to leave my 2.0 alone for awhile. So far so good with almost 500 rds.
Does it qualify as a bullseye gun? No, not what I bought it for and not going to spend another $200+ for “upgrades” until I know it works all the time, which so far it has.

 

[GnarlsR2]

Comments on your ideas of what was wrong appreciated.

Rich

Geezz Rich!

I am really disappointed and sorry you have to go through this.

How many rounds before you do a field strip, clean and lube?

Did you do a plunk test on all of the ammo you're putting through it?
I have shot lots of Blazer 9mm FMJ ammo but it's brass case.

My last range day with mine was bench testing the front sight adjustment. I had no issues with it's performance after 20 rounds.

I am a little less than 200 rounds and waiting to get to 500 rounds. Due to the number of posts this handgun has regarding failures, I will not carry it until I have 1,000 rounds with zero issues.

Like you, I REALLY wanted this to be my main CC or EDC.

 

[lunger]

Curious if the Galloway guide rod was involved although I don't see how.
I am still waiting on mine to arrive. Makes me wonder.

 

[geeollie]

How many total rounds?
And if they are dirty, sooty rounds like the brass case Blazer are, I am wondering if it could be a dirty striker channel.

Having to remove the rear sight in order to remove the rear plate on the slide so that you can clean the striker channel properly is such a pain. But it could be a contributor to light strikes.

This issue is what pushed me to "invest" in a sight pusher.

 

[Tom S.]

Although I have zero experience with this particular firearm, failure of the trigger to function has to be a mechanical problem. While light strikes might be related, at least they indicate the trigger was working. Please take no offense, but since the gun was functioning before stripping it down, Occam's Razor would point to the reassembly process. Before sending it back, try looking at some YouTube videos to see if something might have been missed or installed wrong.

 

[ImDrRich]

How many total rounds?
And if they are dirty, sooty rounds like the brass case Blazer are, I am wondering if it could be a dirty striker channel.

Having to remove the rear sight in order to remove the rear plate on the slide so that you can clean the striker channel properly is such a pain. But it could be a contributor to light strikes.

This issue is what pushed me to "invest" in a sight pusher.

Total rounds a little over 1,000.

 

[ImDrRich]

Geezz Rich!

I am really disappointed and sorry you have to go through this.

How many rounds before you do a field strip, clean and lube?

Did you do a plunk test on all of the ammo you're putting through it?
I have shot lots of Blazer 9mm FMJ ammo but it's brass case.

My last range day with mine was bench testing the front sight adjustment. I had no issues with it's performance after 20 rounds.

I am a little less than 200 rounds and waiting to get to 500 rounds. Due to the number of posts this handgun has regarding failures, I will not carry it until I have 1,000 rounds with zero issues.

Like you, I REALLY wanted this to be my main CC or EDC.

Me too, Brother. Me too. Right now I'm wondering just how long their warranty repairs take to turn something around.

 

[Cheyenne WYO]

I am sorry to read about all these issues. I am just warming up to the gun. There are so many variables involved in your post that I wouldn't want to begin to speculate about the issues. I do intend to shoot the snot out of mine and see if I can break it. Please keep us posted with your interaction with S&W.

 

[Lock n' Load]

I've never shot aluminum or steel case ammo in anything I own. I don't have a Bodyguard 2.0 but my M&P Bodyguard 1.0 and my P365 380 have functioned without any problem whatsoever with Blazer Brass Brass Case 95 grain 380 range ammo. Just my experience. Here's the manufacturer's link but you can find it much cheaper if you look around and buy in bulk:

Buy Blazer Brass 380 Auto Ammo 95 | 5202

 

[GnarlsR2]

Me too, Brother. Me too. Right now I'm wondering just how long their warranty repairs take to turn something around.

I am very curious what S&W reports to you on this failure.

To add to the commentary....

I’m big on preventative maintenance on practically all my “stuff”, but especially my defense firearms.

My recent research indicates that the opinions on firing pin/channel cleaning, light strike, no ignition issues with the striker fired handguns varies widely. Some posts say they found brass flakes and gunk in the firing pin channel after only a couple hundred rounds. Others say they go 1000s of rounds before doing a detail cleaning of the firing pin and channel.

If my BG2 is my CC or EDC, and it gets to 1,000 rounds, I will buy the XS Sights and a pusher, to remove the back plate and properly disassemble and clean the firing pin, parts, and channel. The XS Sights have a set screw, so that should be sufficient to secure the rear sight after final bench testing for POA/POI.

I don’t use Loctite on any of my firearms. Because I field strip, clean and lube, and check all screws and fasteners, after every use, I have not yet had a need to use Vibra-TITE on anything. I replace any batteries around 3 months.

 

[LVSteve]

Dead trigger suggests something broke. I find it hard to believe that after 1000 rounds enough junk has got into the striker channel to immobilize the striker.

 

[GnarlsR2]

Dead trigger suggests something broke. I find it hard to believe that after 1000 rounds enough junk has got into the striker channel to immobilize the striker.

Judging from number of posts regarding this firearm nothing I read is going to shock me.

 

[TwinV10]

I want to love this little gun.
I want to love this little gun.
I really want to love this little gun.
I still carry my Ruger LCP Max for my deep concealment jogging gun.
I just don't trust it.

 

[ImDrRich]

Judging from number of posts regarding this firearm nothing I read is going to shock me.

Amen.

If I could get the Smith & Wesson CEO's email address I would absolutely write to him. If anyone has a name and/or address I'll be happy to take it and do it that way.

 

[ImDrRich]

I want to love this little gun.
I want to love this little gun.
I really want to love this little gun.
I still carry my Ruger LCP Max for my deep concealment jogging gun.
I just don't trust it.

I'll be going back to mine until I hear from S&W. That, my S&W 49 from 1973 and my Sig P365X in 9mm.

 

[M1A4ME]

If it's striker fired can't you remove the slide, remove the recoil spring/guide/barrel and observe striker movement? Even "feel" it a bit?

Turn the slide over, use your finger to pull the striker to the rear and feel for any drag/catching.

Then push the striker block down, look at the firing pin hole in the breech face of the slide and use your finger to push the striker forward and see if it come through the breech face like it should while feeling for any drag/catching on debris/crud.

Before I took one apart (like you seem to have to do with the BG 2.0) I'd take the slide off, remove the RSA and barrel, turn it muzzle end up and use some spray bore cleaner with the little tube/straw that is usually taped to the side of the can to blow bore cleaner towards the rear of the striker assembly/slide by placing the exit end of the tube/straw over the firing pin hole. Just be sure to wear some eye protection and put an old towel/cloth under the back end. You might even be able to see the crud you blow loose/out of the striker channel/assembly.

Good luck with it.

 

[agksimon]

Went back to the range today and tried Aguila ammo (.380, 95gr. round nose). Shoot 30 rounds and then a round chambered and the slide locked on it. Very difficult to unlock the slide but after a few attempts of firm grip/quick pull back on the slide, the round ejected. Happened 3 more times and I decided to clean the gun. Rich

I and a friend had this same problem, so I used a 10mm carbide impregnated rubber Dremel bit to hone the chamber. Not one problem since.