kbm6893
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The 250 SC is 6 ounces heavier than the Shield. The 365 weighs less than the Shield and is smaller. My Ruger LC9-S is virtually identical to the 365 in size and weight. Just carries less rounds.
BG380 - to chamber a round or not to chamber a round, that is the question
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The 250 SC is 6 ounces heavier than the Shield. The 365 weighs less than the Shield and is smaller. My Ruger LC9-S is virtually identical to the 365 in size and weight. Just carries less rounds.
The closest may be the Heckler & Koch USP compact. It's about the same size as the M&P 2.0 subcompact. It's available as a DA/SA or a DAO, with either 10- or 13-round magazines. It's not cheap, however, at around $1,100 msrp. Here's a link: USP - COMPACT - Heckler & Koch
HOUSTON RICK
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What are you going to the bad guy, "Wait a second while I rack my slide"?
Doug M.
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Training and education will solve this dilemma for you. What you are describing is a non-issue.
hyena
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Black Rose - I see you're pretty new here, so welcome to the forum. It's a great place to acquire knowledge. And, unfortunately like everywhere on the internet you'll also get "talked down to" by a few.
I'm not a gunsmith, so take this for what it's worth. 99% of my carry is with the same two guns you carry - 642 and BG380. I go with the BG in my pocket when I'm wearing a tucked in shirt and jean pockets that are a snug fit for the 642.
At any rate, it is my belief our Bodyguards have zero stored energy in the firing mechanism when there's a round in the chamber. They are neither fully or partially cocked. Same as the 642. As southchatham said above, it's why some of us chose the BG. I also use the thumb safety on mine, since it's second nature to swipe it off when I draw, even though I think it's somewhat superfluous.
I'm not a gunsmith, so take this for what it's worth. 99% of my carry is with the same two guns you carry - 642 and BG380. I go with the BG in my pocket when I'm wearing a tucked in shirt and jean pockets that are a snug fit for the 642.
At any rate, it is my belief our Bodyguards have zero stored energy in the firing mechanism when there's a round in the chamber. They are neither fully or partially cocked. Same as the 642. As southchatham said above, it's why some of us chose the BG. I also use the thumb safety on mine, since it's second nature to swipe it off when I draw, even though I think it's somewhat superfluous.
From a mechanical engineering standpoint one can argue that your science is correct. From a practical standpoint, one should argue that you're simply and completely incorrect but you don't understand the systems.
As a personal matter, I never carry a gun that doesn't have a round in the chamber or all cylinders filled. Double action revolvers, traditional double action pistols, or striker fired pistols (I admit that I have one - but just one - and I don't carry single action pistols but that's a different thread). Unless you think spending a lifetime practicing what are commonly called Israeli speed drills (those guys are fast) you simply never want to have to rack your slide when you are forced to pull your pistol for self defense.
Practically speaking, all of these guns are designed to survive being dropped without going off. In a perfect world, they WILL NOT go off if dropped. The world is not perfect so there are no guarantees but, seriously, carry the gun with a round in the chamber or stick to revolvers.
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As for other double action pistols other than the BG 380, I also have a Sig P239 DAO. it’s definitely heavier than the SCCY or Sig 365 but it’s reliable and a true double action only just like my Bodyguard.
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had to double check your "handle"...thought i had posted that in my sleep. i've been looking for a DAO 9mm in P365 size.. the SCCY is a little chubbier than the P365, but it seems reliable and is DAO. it's not quite the answer. Sig is the logical company to design and sell the DAO version of P365, but i have little faith they see enough demand to pursue the DAO. i keep hoping.
kbm6893
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If you want a DAO 9MM, the original Ruger LC9 is the answer. Long double action pull. Manual safety. Mag disconnect (but you can remove that). Ruger discontinued it when the LC9S came out. Used you can find them for like $250. Virtually same size and weight as the 365.
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That LC9 trigger is partially cocked with no double strike.
kbm6893
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I know. So are the DAO S&W 3rd gen guns like the 3953 and 5946. But a full trigger pill is required to fire the round. No way possible can whatever little energy that might be stored in that partial cock be enough to set the primer off. I can’t even imagine the firing pin reaching the primer, much less setting it off. Not to mention any other firing pin blocks they might exist to prevent it. I’m not a gunsmith.
And the LC9 is nearly identical in size and weight of the 365. If someone is looking for a non striker 9MM in the size and weight class of the 365 the LC9 is the only answer that I’m aware of. And the OP didn’t mention wanting second strike capability.
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the Naroh N1 is also a DAO, partially cocked. it has a better trigger than the LC9 [my opinion only] and is a P365 look alike. i have several of them and the LC9. Naroh just recently shut down production of the N1 after only 1 year. was hoping they would survive, but the P365 won too many converts.
MP Shield 9mm EZ has an internal hammer.
kbm6893
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Way bigger than the others. I have an EZ and like it, but totally different size and weight class to even the original Shield, which is also bigger than the 365.
