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Bill Ruger vs. John Moses Browning
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John Moses Browning....,All face South and Bow!!!!
Bill who.....? lol Both were great men. My personal taste is definitely geared towards Browning. The book pictured is a great read on "The" man himself...JMB. Really some great information in it from his childhood through his adult years as a father, inventor, and businessman. JMO..........
Bill who.....? lol Both were great men. My personal taste is definitely geared towards Browning. The book pictured is a great read on "The" man himself...JMB. Really some great information in it from his childhood through his adult years as a father, inventor, and businessman. JMO..........
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84CJ
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John Browning enough said!
Snapping Twig
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What you say is true.
My point was to be fair to Ruger, he didn't have as many designs, nor did he have as many innovations, but he was able to start his own empire.
Browning didn't do that.
Browning designed firearms for others to manufacture.
So, I was just trying to say a nice thing about Ruger.
Browning is the man, no two ways about it.
sub-moa
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At the risk of being redundant 
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Not even close, John Moses Browning...
...Not even close, John Moses Browning...
Bullzaye
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This may not address the original point of the thread, and for that I'll apologize, but IMO I wouldn't nominate Bill Ruger for best anything. Whatever positive innovations he may have introduced, or effect he may have had on the shooting sports, I believe he more than made up for by his anti-gun sentiments and political maneuverings.
From what I've read, Bill Ruger was the driving force behind the 10 round limit on magazines, and was pushing for passage of the entire AWB. Of course, the Mini-14 was conveniently excluded from the AWB. Have you ever priced factory 30 round mags for the Mini-14? They're rare as hen's teeth, and uber expensive...because Bill didn't believe that civilians had any business owning such high capacity magazines. He's the single most anti-gun CEO of a gun manufacturing company, of which I'm aware. I realize many will say that this was part of his marketing plan, but I don't consider that advocating the trampling of citizen's rights is a viable marketing tool, or can be anything but harmful to the industry in the long run. I was actually quite surprised that no one had mentioned this yet.
So...I vote for JMB!
Tim
From what I've read, Bill Ruger was the driving force behind the 10 round limit on magazines, and was pushing for passage of the entire AWB. Of course, the Mini-14 was conveniently excluded from the AWB. Have you ever priced factory 30 round mags for the Mini-14? They're rare as hen's teeth, and uber expensive...because Bill didn't believe that civilians had any business owning such high capacity magazines. He's the single most anti-gun CEO of a gun manufacturing company, of which I'm aware. I realize many will say that this was part of his marketing plan, but I don't consider that advocating the trampling of citizen's rights is a viable marketing tool, or can be anything but harmful to the industry in the long run. I was actually quite surprised that no one had mentioned this yet.
So...I vote for JMB!
Tim
Andy Griffith
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Wait a minute here boys- hold the phones!!!
I hate people that have a "world view" and think that Americans only think about themselves, but I do think we are in some sense on this discussion.
M.K. and Stoner have been mentioned, but what about Mauser? Didn't his company make some royalties off of each rifle and pistol made from his designs? At least, for a while... After all, how many nations were armed with Mauser rifles and pistols made either directly or licensed?
The only other fellers that come close might be the Nagant brothers or the Beretta family- and don't forget Gaston and Luger.
I'd say Sam C. made a few dollars too.
I'd be interested to see which individuals in the firearms business profited the most personally, if adjusted for inflation. Likely, there'd be some huge surprises!
It'd likely make a great subject for a history dissertation.
I hate people that have a "world view" and think that Americans only think about themselves, but I do think we are in some sense on this discussion.
M.K. and Stoner have been mentioned, but what about Mauser? Didn't his company make some royalties off of each rifle and pistol made from his designs? At least, for a while... After all, how many nations were armed with Mauser rifles and pistols made either directly or licensed?
The only other fellers that come close might be the Nagant brothers or the Beretta family- and don't forget Gaston and Luger.
I'd say Sam C. made a few dollars too.
I'd be interested to see which individuals in the firearms business profited the most personally, if adjusted for inflation. Likely, there'd be some huge surprises!
It'd likely make a great subject for a history dissertation.
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nicky4968
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JMB. And, most importantly, he was a very astute businessman. Also, he only had a third grade education. (Couldn't spell ammunition. And Col. Colt had more spellings of revolver than the Justice League has secret identities.)
About the only business opportunity he missed was not realizing that, in designing the Auto-Five, he had also invented the shock absorber. Missing out on that patent cost his family plenty.
Also, during WWI, he waived all royalties for the duration and after. Collected not one thin dime from the Great War.
His family did the same in WWII.
About the only business opportunity he missed was not realizing that, in designing the Auto-Five, he had also invented the shock absorber. Missing out on that patent cost his family plenty.
Also, during WWI, he waived all royalties for the duration and after. Collected not one thin dime from the Great War.
His family did the same in WWII.
Lee, ....how'd ya know?
I guess Rugers legacy will always be his companies ability to innovate. The MarkI pistol has gone thru many design changes...but is with us today. Same for the Single-Six. And the Blackhawks, the No.1's, The model 77's, and many more. He created a line of classic guns that the average working man could afford. Some of his shotguns are just plain beautiful. He may have tweaked guns...but he really is responsible for saving the Single Action market. His Ruger Old Army is another great example. Ruger set out to build the best cap and ball revolver ever made ~ and succeeded....no small accomplishment. And built for niche market, not meant to be profit center for the company.
I would say that Bill's accomplishment was to re-engineer the Gun Making environment and bring modern manufacturing processes forward. Investment casting alone, would mark a major accomplishment.
giz
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cmort666
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That I know of, John Browning never advocated unconstitutional gun controls, nor did he ever pander to those who did.
Aussie44
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Lee, ....how'd ya know?
I guess Rugers legacy will always be his companies ability to innovate. The MarkI pistol has gone thru many design changes...but is with us today. Same for the Single-Six. And the Blackhawks, the No.1's, The model 77's, and many more. He created a line of classic guns that the average working man could afford. Some of his shotguns are just plain beautiful. He may have tweaked guns...but he really is responsible for saving the Single Action market. His Ruger Old Army is another great example. Ruger set out to build the best cap and ball revolver ever made ~ and succeeded....no small accomplishment. And built for niche market, not meant to be profit center for the company.
I would say that Bill's accomplishment was to re-engineer the Gun Making environment and bring modern manufacturing processes forward. Investment casting alone, would mark a major accomplishment.
giz
And none of this would have happened without Mr Sturm.
Ken
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357larry
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No question about it, John M. Browning. Bill Ruger was not even in the same league so to try to compare the two is stupid. The only thing that gives Ruger any notoriaty was his use of investment casting which lessened the labor involved in gun making and one would assume the cost. But looking at the prices for Ruger firearms it appears they have chosen to use these savings to pump up their profit as their products really offer no savings to the consumer over their competitors products.
Never have come across a Ruger that I had to have. Of the ones that I have purchased I found them all to be somewhat lacking. They were all disposed of at the earliest opportunity.
Never have come across a Ruger that I had to have. Of the ones that I have purchased I found them all to be somewhat lacking. They were all disposed of at the earliest opportunity.
My memory is a bit foggy...was Ruger involved in any way with the AWB and the 10 rd mag limit? Just asking.......chill....
Edited: Uhh, never mind, I found out all I need to know about Ruger.
Edited: Uhh, never mind, I found out all I need to know about Ruger.
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Mr. Browning was clearly one of the great innovative geniuses of the last couple of centuries.
Bill Ruger was a genius in not only seeing a need, but making it happen.
Bill Ruger was a genius in not only seeing a need, but making it happen.
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JM Browning was in a class of men that included George Westinghouse, Nikola Tesla, T.Edison, Parsons, and a few others. All giants upon who's shoulders many others stood, including Bill Ruger. Amazing what genius were among us at the end of the 19th century. Musta been something in that water. -S2
Bill Ruger never found a firearms design that he couldn't copy.
He ticked me off with his comments on magazines holding over ten rounds.
Yes...he advanced the process of investment casting for the firearms industry, allowing his company to produce arms more cost-effectively.
Bill Ruger may have been "more successful" than Browning financially, but as a firearms designer, he couldn't tie Browning's shoelaces.
Just my opinion.
He ticked me off with his comments on magazines holding over ten rounds.
Yes...he advanced the process of investment casting for the firearms industry, allowing his company to produce arms more cost-effectively.
Bill Ruger may have been "more successful" than Browning financially, but as a firearms designer, he couldn't tie Browning's shoelaces.
Just my opinion.
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Denver Dick
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In my mind there is no question, John Browning . . . period. JMHO
