Lack of interest in 40 SW yet 10MM is getting popular??

[Rule3]

So the FBI dropped the 40 SW and then of course people no longer were interested. Everything is high cap 9mm
Yet, it seems many are now getting into 10mm?
I don't get it?

 

[Doug M.]

Different cartridges for different needs, even though similar in some ways.

 

[LVSteve]

10mm is supposed to be more amenable to handloading than 40 S&W. I suspect that is the attraction.

 

[duke2002]

I'll keep my 40. I got a 41 mag if i need a 10mm.

 

[Faulkner]

10mm is supposed to be more amenable to handloading than 40 S&W. I suspect that is the attraction.

I'd be inclined to agree with you within the reloading community, but most shooters don't reload. Even then, I reload .40 S&W but I have zero interest in the 10mm.

I think a lot of casual shooters just follow the trends.

 

[BIGDOC]

10mm, accurate and powerful while being manageable. Mine is the Sig P220 Legion SAO with the Romeo 2. Excellent gun.

 

[BIGDOC]

For the .40 S&W I have the Sig Sauer tungsten infused grip, trim is in rose gold and is for the wife, shoots beautifully and soft and great stopping power.

 

[bobsguns]

Loves me some 10mm, hate the .40.

Let me say first, I'm not a reloader. I have been told that there's no such thing as +P .40. Someone correct me if I'm wrong there.

But I've also been told that there's room in the 10mm loadings to safely run up the velocity a decent bit.

When I shoot steel plates with one of my 10mm guns, the plates react a LOT more violently over both .45acp & 9mm. In short, they're just wicked, wicked fun to shoot reactive targets with.

 

[bobsguns]

I'll keep my 40. I got a 41 mag if i need a 10mm.

Do you have it in a semi?

 

[BIGDOC]

Nothing compares to the S&W .44 MAGNUM, 629-1

 

[Malkovich]

So the FBI dropped the 40 SW and then of course people no longer were interested. Everything is high cap 9mm
Yet, it seems many are now getting into 10mm?
I don't get it?

One should remember what gave rise to the 10mm. That horrible Hollywood incident, where wheelgun toting agents were simply outgunned. I always wondered, did their failure to call local pd for assistance cost them dearly? Regardless, the 40 is likely the better round, the 10 may be a bit too much for the average person. But where does the 357SIG come into play, not to mention the 45GAP, both are noteworthy rounds.

 

[duke2002]

I have 20 rounds of 308 and m1A. If 6 rounds of 41 wont do the job.

 

[Greyman50]

Have 3 10 mm and looking for another, very reloadable to whatever specs one wants. Latest S&W Mountain Gun is not impressing me due to gold dot front sight flying off but ok accurate. Dan Wesson and Colt 1911 types are very accurate and Fun to shoot. Try one if you have not shot one yet.

 

[bobsguns]

Nothing compares to the S&W .44 MAGNUM, 629-1

Uhmmmm, yeah, yes there is.

The Desert Eagle in .44mag is a wonderful option.

The S&W .460 & .500 both put the .44 mag to shame. Reloaders tell me shooting a .500 special load (rather than magnum) is just super, super fun as well.

For the record, I love my Model 29 Classic.

 

[bobsguns]

One should remember what gave rise to the 10mm. That horrible Hollywood incident, where wheelgun toting agents were simply outgunned. I always wondered, did their failure to call local pd for assistance cost them dearly? Regardless, the 40 is likely the better round, the 10 may be a bit too much for the average person. But where does the 357SIG come into play, not to mention the 45GAP, both are noteworthy rounds.

I believe your mixing up the Hollywood bank robbery incident with the Miami shootout.

The Hollywood shoot-out only involved LAPD cops (someone correct me if I'm wrong there). The perps had full-auto AKs, imported AFTER Clinton banned Chinese/Russian arms & ammo. Seems like a Chinese "businessman" paid enough $$$ to The Clinton Foundation (or maybe the DNC?) & got an import waiver to bring in a conex box or three. Needless to say, the media BURIED that story.

The AKs used had been ILLEGALLY converted to full auto, something else the media buried.

The FBI had the Miami shoot-out. I don't recall if Dade Co LE was involved or not, I don't think they were.

From Wiki:

Although they had partially surrounded the suspects after maneuvering them off a local road, the agents involved quickly found their firepower was outmatched by the weapons which Platt and Matix had in their vehicle. During the shootout which ensued, Platt in particular was able to repeatedly return fire despite sustaining multiple hits. Two Special Agents—Benjamin Grogan and Jerry Dove—were shot and killed, while five other agents were injured by gunfire. The shootout ended when both Platt and Matix were killed while attempting to flee the scene.

American Handgunner once had just an excellent, excellent article from Massad Ayoob on the Miami fiasco. It's definitely worth the time to find it & read it. The poor FBI guys had almost everything go wrong for them that could possibly go wrong. Sad.

 

[bobsguns]

I have 20 rounds of 308 and m1A. If 6 rounds of 41 wont do the job.

Show us the holster you use on the M1A........................

 

[Malkovich]

I believe your mixing up the Hollywood bank robbery incident with the Miami shootout.

The Hollywood shoot-out only involved LAPD cops (someone correct me if I'm wrong there). The perps had full-auto AKs, imported AFTER Clinton banned Chinese/Russian arms & ammo. Seems like a Chinese "businessman" paid enough $$$ to The Clinton Foundation (or maybe the DNC?) & got an import waiver to bring in a conex box or three. Needless to say, the media BURIED that story.

The AKs used had been ILLEGALLY converted to full auto, something else the media buried.

The FBI had the Miami shoot-out. I don't recall if Dade Co LE was involved or not, I don't think they were.

From Wiki:


American Handgunner once had just an excellent, excellent article from Massad Ayoob on the Miami fiasco. It's definitely worth the time to find it & read it. The poor FBI guys had almost everything go wrong for them that could possibly go wrong. Sad.

Absolutely brilliant

 

[duke2002]

Do you have it in a semi?

I have yet to have a revolver fail. I have shot thousands of 40 rounds over the last 30 yrs. I have had semi autos jam double feed etc. As far as the 10mm room to load hotter. They have. To what avail? There are 40 loads listed at 1050 or higher. What does 150 fps and 20 grs of bullet weight get you? I have shot deer,pigs, even a cow. All cast lead at 1,000 fps or less. Trend is just put a bullet in the case for a gun not desigined for that bullet weight. Semi autos are tied to ammo and function.

 

[Malkovich]

I believe your mixing up the Hollywood bank robbery incident with the Miami shootout.

The Hollywood shoot-out only involved LAPD cops (someone correct me if I'm wrong there). The perps had full-auto AKs, imported AFTER Clinton banned Chinese/Russian arms & ammo. Seems like a Chinese "businessman" paid enough $$$ to The Clinton Foundation (or maybe the DNC?) & got an import waiver to bring in a conex box or three. Needless to say, the media BURIED that story.

The AKs used had been ILLEGALLY converted to full auto, something else the media buried.

The FBI had the Miami shoot-out. I don't recall if Dade Co LE was involved or not, I don't think they were.

From Wiki:


American Handgunner once had just an excellent, excellent article from Massad Ayoob on the Miami fiasco. It's definitely worth the time to find it & read it. The poor FBI guys had almost everything go wrong for them that could possibly go wrong. Sad.

Yes, I'm thinking the single biggest thing they had go wrong was not calling it in for local PD assistance. Could it have been a confluence of ego, adrenaline and confidence of their team leader(s), who knows. But if it didn't lead to exploring capacity, back up guns and spare ammo on your person, it called up a caliber debate giving way to some impressive calibers, albeit expensive ones.

 

[65Whelen]

Boy this thread went sideways. The 40 waned because of bullet and powder improvements and less recoil in 9mm. Not to mention Glock and 9mm is military issue, so availability is not an issue. The 9mm high capacity has been the hot ticket for quite awhile and it's adequate. But if you want more than adequate 10mm fit the bill nicely.

10mm is being recognized for its 357mag power in a semi. What's not to love about carrying 13 rounds of 357 power with the recoil of a 45acp or the 10mm PCC. Sweet.