Bingo....$50 small pistol primers.

[glenwolde]

....Large Rifle Primers.

They're around...I believe this morning's Powder Valley email said the White River LRPs were back in stock.

 

[diyj98]

Are these listed for magnum loads as well or only standard loads?

 

[glenwolde]

After my misfire episode I tried them in everything I had and they all fired. The only misfires I've had are in my tuned Model 66. I'm taking the 66 in to get checked out. I've had it for 20 years and shoot it on a regular basis.

They seem to seat fine in my Dillon. I did just have 2% of a small batch misfire in the Model 66. I tried 100 rounds in the only striker fired gun I have, which is a Taurus (GASP!) PT 638 in .380. It shot them fine.

For 30% less (at least) than domestic I'll buy them. I have a case of Winchesters put back and a small stash of Federals I use in defensive ammo if I'm so inclined.

The $100 I save a year will buy 1,000 bullets.

 

[Marshal Tom]

I purchased 5000 of these primers. They are OK for range ammo but I have had several FTF's with them. Just this last Saturday, I had to qualify for my church security team which we do quarterly. I went and purchased Winchester White Box for that qualification to avoid any issues.I would rather purchase well known brands. Many times when I experience a FTF, they went off on the second try.

 

[SOFMatchstaff]

I bought 10K for the open bolt guns, and the sp 45 cases. the M76 s&w and the mk5 sten eat em up... the current sale price is $235 delivered

 

[rockquarry]

For cheap range and plinking ammo, I'd buy in bulk. I'm not too concerned if a small few don't fire the first time around. That will make for a perfect unanticipated malfunction clearing training. It's not self-defense ammo, so the obsession about being 100% reliable is a moot issue for me (nothing man made is ever 100% reliable, by the way). I also don't care about being able to have all rounds go through one hole with range ammo.

The extra $30 for the $80 CCI is the equivalent to 600 primers of the Argetine primers.... That's a huge difference. Actually, Target Sports charges a $30 Hazmat fee, shipping, and "Shipping Insurance," so actually, the price for the CCI is approximately $125, not including tax, and not $80. Buying 4000 Norma costs me $211.96 shipped without a bunch of hidden fee upcharges. Buying 4000 CCI from Target Sport cost me $390.22! That's an almost $200 price difference.


Other than that, I don't typically care where my ammo comes from. My primary concern is being able to afford to shoot as many rounds as possible. It all depends on what you're reloading for. If you're reloading for recreational target shooting, hunting, or defensive purposes, then get the CCI. If it's for range plinking at the range, training, and the like, then get the cheaper alternative.

There is no obsession, moot or otherwise about ammo (primers in the spirit of this thread) being reliable. It's just what some expect and that's why they stick with the best primers they can buy, usually American-made.

Bullets may not "go though the same hole" , but it instills confidence if you make the most accurate ammo you can rather than waste time handloading mediocre ammunition. Primers, even a few, that don't fire is something I don't care to deal with.

Read the posts here. About half of the respondents have no trouble with the cheap foreign primers. The other half have had problems. I'd rather spend more and get good stuff, but if second-rate, middle-of-the-road primers suit your needs, stick with them. No argument from me.

 

[Well Armed]

There is no obsession, moot or otherwise about ammo (primers in the spirit of this thread) being reliable. It's just what some expect and that's why they stick with the best primers they can buy, usually American-made.

I disagree for all the reasons I already provided. The type of reliability that's needed for self-defense and even hunting purposes isn't necessary for range and plinking purposes. It's perfectly fine to want the same level of reliability, but let's not pretend that it's necessary or required.

Bullets may not "go though the same hole , but it instills confidence if you make the most accurate ammo you can rather than waste time handloading mediocre ammunition. Primers, even a few, that don't fire is something I don't care to deal with.

Again, let's not pretend that target or long distance accuracy is needed or generally expected when using inexpensive mass produced commercial range ammo. You also speak as if these primers are so bad that the accuracy is way off to being unacceptable. That's just something a naysaying member brought up and then attributed to the Norma without any evidence as a way to support his argument.

Last but not least, it's not a binary option. One can buy CCI and other more expensive and vetted ammo in they don't have confidence in themselves and/or want to train with more accrate ammo. They can ALSO buy foreign primers for cheap and affordable plinking and range use. You're not tethered to one or the other.

Read the posts here. About half of the respondents have no trouble with the cheap foreign primers. The other half have had problems. I'd rather spend more and get good stuff, but if second-rate, middle-of-the-road primers suit your needs, stick with them. No argument from me.

What I've seen is that most had a small percentage that didn't go off. Many of these issues were because of aftermarket parts replacement. In any event, I would rather be able to shoot 1975-1990 rounds OR 2000 rounds with a second strike versus only 1000 trouble-free rounds when it comes to range usage.

 

[rockquarry]

I disagree for all the reasons I already provided. The type of reliability that's needed for self-defense and even hunting purposes isn't necessary for range and plinking purposes. It's perfectly fine to want the same level of reliability, but let's not pretend that it's necessary or required.



Again, let's not pretend that target or long distance accuracy is needed or generally expected when using inexpensive mass produced commercial range ammo. You also speak as if these primers are so bad that the accuracy is way off to being unacceptable. That's just something a naysaying member brought up and then attributed to the Norma without any evidence as a way to support his argument.

Last but not least, it's not a binary option. One can buy CCI and other more expensive and vetted ammo in they don't have confidence in themselves and/or want to train with more accrate ammo. They can ALSO buy foreign primers for cheap and affordable plinking and range use. You're not tethered to one or the other.



What I've seen is that most had a small percentage that didn't go off. Many of these issues were because of aftermarket parts replacement. In any event, I would rather be able to shoot 1975-1990 rounds OR 2000 rounds with a second strike versus only 1000 trouble-free rounds when it comes to range usage.

I stand by my comments and again, as I said in my post, no argument from me. May we all be satisfied with the components we use.

 

[max503]

6 months from now we will sell our babies for a deal like this. I don't order on line or I would grab several bricks because.....well....you know.