Bizarre Case of Homeowner Shooting Stranger who Walked into his House

Originally Posted by keith44spl View Post
Like Steelslaver,

Out at the ranch, we don't bar the place up,
all the pickups and tractors have the keys in em.

The place we have in town....that's a lit'l different,
it's kinda like livin on the Res.



I urge you to re-think this based on experience......

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I don't know about all that..........But, it is a dangerous world.

I do know, in the last half century, we only had two batteries
stolen out of a bucket loader left on a far back section.

Around head quarters, between the pack of cowdogs, potlickers
and armed occupants, it's purty well covered.

I'm more guarded of the surroundings here in town.

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This is a strange one that happened in rural Michigan. A homeowner and his wife were in their house one night when a stranger came in through an unlocked door and told them he was being followed by someone who was trying to kill him.

What does the homeowner do? He arms himself and goes out with the stranger to confront the "killer", at night, mind you. Well, no killer, no nothing. So they go back in the house where the stranger begins to act erratically and assaults the homeowner. Stranger is shot and killed.

I posted this story since it is full of examples of what not to do.

Link:
Lansing man dies in bizarre Ionia shooting

My rottweiler would have auto-corrected the problem before it began. Then again, I don't leave my doors unlocked.
 
How's this for justice?

I urge you to re-think this based on experience. Here's an example of why wherein there are no names to protect anymore - few places in the world are more rural and law-abiding than Virden, NM. Their doors were unlocked, despite the reporting.

VIRDEN, N.M. (AP) _ Two intruders looted a home, then set it on fire and blocked the only door, killing a 68-year-old woman inside.

Later, two deputy sheriffs were wounded, one critically, as they searched a canyon for suspects.

Police say David VanHorn, 20, of nearby Gilbert, Ariz., and Diane Lynn Wilson, 22, of Chandler, Ariz., were held without bail Monday, charged with murder in the death of Norma Clouse.

They are also under investigation in the shooting of the deputies.

Police say VanHorn and Wilson broke in and ransacked the Clouse home early Sunday before setting it on fire _ and blocking the only escape. They stood in front of the door and threatened to shoot Clouse and her husband, Merlin.

``Only after flames engulfed the residence did the defendants leave the scene, at which point Mr. Clouse was able to escape after repeatedly unsuccessfully attempting to save his wife,″ the document says.

Robbery was the motive, police said.

Neighbor Antonio Burrola said he woke up and saw the house burning and Merlin Clouse, smoke-blackened and barefoot, shouting: ``Help! I need help! They robbed me! The house is on fire and Norma is in there!″

``He told me he tried to get her out, but she had just had surgery, and he couldn’t get her,″ Burrola said.

Neighbors said gunshots were fired at their homes as the Clouse home burned.

``I was standing in the hall, and my wife had just walked by the door with the kids when a bullet came through the glass,″ said Sammy Gonzales. The family spent the night huddled in the back bedroom.

Clouse was released Monday from a hospital, where he was treated for smoke inhalation and first-degree burns.

The two deputies were shot as they looked at the bottom of a canyon for Clouse’s car and truck that were taken in the attack.

One deputy was in critical but stable condition Monday night, with two gunshot wounds to the head. The other was in stable condition with a shoulder wound.

Clouse told police the suspects forced him at gunpoint to swallow a white powder that later was identified as a mix of opiate and methamphetamine.

Then they forced him to load his valuables in his vehicles, which they used to escape from the town of 200, near the Arizona state line.

VanHorn and Wilson were arrested separately later Sunday.






I google-fu'd and came upon this little tidbit. It's beyond comprehension:

Killer’s release outrages MV couple | News | mohavedailynews.com
 
What a crock......

"VanHorn was quoted in an AP story saying he is not the same self-centered addict he was 20 years ago."

But, he's still a convicted murder.
 
They (the police) think drugs and alcohol may be a factor, but Eddy's son Branden says even though his father did have issues, he was still a loving and caring guy.

I'm sure that Eddy helped little old ladies across the street and volunteered at the local homeless shelter in his spare time. :rolleyes:
 
but I wouldn't in a million years go outside with the stranger.
I'm surprised that no one else is asking this question. I mean, you find a random guy in your house and you decide to go outside with him? There's a name for this; victim.

Further, once no bad guy was discovered outside, the homeowner invited this stranger back inside.

Anyone found in my house that I didn't invite there is risking a very serious case of lead poisoning.
 
Back in the 70's when I was a kid, during a nice warm summer day. A guy just walked right into my friends parents house and sat down. Definitely acted like he was on drugs (maybe LSD)...very disoriented. I have an extremely viscous German Shepard...if someone walks into my house...he's dog meat!
 
What a crock......

"VanHorn was quoted in an AP story saying he is not the same self-centered addict he was 20 years ago."

But, he's still a convicted murder.

On the old "Benny Hill Show" there was a skit where Benny was playing a Chineese government official. The English interviewer asked if the Chineese had problems with recidivism once prisoners were released.

Benny said "No, we no let them out".

Sad commentary that a comedy show makes more sense than the real world.
 
You win every fight you do not engage in...

-Tsun Tsu

Not necessarily true. A guy I once knew refused to engage in any fight. Unfortunately for him, the other guy was determined to fight. Refusing to engage only meant he got his but kicked ...often. He didn't WIN anything.
 
Not necessarily true. A guy I once knew refused to engage in any fight. Unfortunately for him, the other guy was determined to fight. Refusing to engage only meant he got his but kicked ...often. He didn't WIN anything.

Your guy was forced to engage. Because, even if he was unwilling he still got engaged. Big difference. Just because I don't want it to happen doesn't mean it won't. If I can somehow avoid the engagement then I can't lose that particular incident. I will say that having it known that you will never try to defend yourself could very well cause a certain class of people to engage you. If it is a long time situation that you do nothing about by refusing to engage it, physically, mentally or legally, knowing that the other guy is never going to let it go, your an idiot who will be engaged and a victim.

Drunk in the bar wants to fight. If I can walk away without being struck, there is no real loss. If I humor him out of it, I did engage and won. If there is no stopping him from attacking me, I am going to be engaged, if I want to or not. Best stomp hard on the top of his foot or something at that point.

Surly neighbor that keeps trying to pick a fight. I either have to engage in some manner or move.

I havve managed to avoid some engagements. When there is no avoiding it, that's different and I will do something.
 
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Not necessarily true. A guy I once knew refused to engage in any fight. Unfortunately for him, the other guy was determined to fight. Refusing to engage only meant he got his but kicked ...often. He didn't WIN anything.

I think what Tsun Tau meant was that in life we have the ability to choose our actions/reactions at least in the beginning of a situation.

In a totally fictionalized example, because NONE of know the full story here...

Mr. Rodgers finds someone on his property at night. The tresspasser tried to open the back door BUT IT WAS LOCKED (choice).

Mr. Rodgers has a J frame IWB at 2 o'clock (choice), but given the situation picks up his AR-15 (choice).

The trespasser is screaming that a madman with a big knife is trying to kill him. Mr. Rodgers, because he lives in the sparsely populated country, calls the Sheriffs Depatment (choice). He tells the dispatcher he lives at 123 County Road Q and someone HE DOES NOT KNOW is TRYING TO GAIN ACCESS TO HIS HOME. He tells the dispatcher what the trespasser said, adding that in the dark he cannot confirm this. He tells the dispatcher he is ARMED, HAS LOCKED HIS DOORS, AND WILL NOT BE OUTSIDE WHEN THE DEPUTYS ARRIVE (life saving chooce).

Then Mr. Rodgers waits (choice). Maybe the trespasser leaves, maybe the Deputys arrive and sort the situation out, maybe the trespassers breaks in and dies lying on the kitchen floor.

Mr. Rodgers is a homeowner, a private citizen, legally armed as is his right. He understands he is not a sworn peace officer. His firearms are to protect him and his.

He does not engage in the battles /fights /confrontations of people he does not know, even if it is in his is in his own backyard.
 
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What a crock......

"VanHorn was quoted in an AP story saying he is not the same self-centered addict he was 20 years ago."

But, he's still a convicted murder.

Here we have an experiment, using the general public as lab rats.
Thanks for nothin’ NMDC.

I saw a similar situation after my Grandmother was murdered (in ‘77) and the killer was paroled by TDC after 30+ years in the pen.
He killed another kids grandma less than a year after his release.
 
Here we have an experiment, using the general public as lab rats.
Thanks for nothin’ NMDC.

I saw a similar situation after my Grandmother was murdered (in ‘77) and the killer was paroled by TDC after 30+ years in the pen.
He killed another kids grandma less than a year after his release.

Once a century the movies get something right. While I didn't like a lot about the 'Hateful Eight,' there was actually a useful saying there lifted from the 19th century English Parliament debate on revising the Bloody Code - "You only need to hang mean *******s; but mean *******s, you need to hang."

When I was 13 in 1969, I testified against 'Lucky' Vance Stancliff, who murdered a kid working in a gas station because the kid threw him out for stealing fireworks. He was sentenced to die, but SCOTUS did away with the death penalty in '72. Stancliff was released to a halfway house in the very late '80s; there he stabbed his girlfriend and an elderly neighbor to death.

The Brits were right.
 
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I wonder, when he went outside with the intruder to search for the persons supposedly chasing him, what did he plan to do to or with them, "citizens arrest", shoot them, or what? Why bother?
Steve W

One of my first thoughts also.
 
This is an interesting update. This quote is much different than the original story: "While waiting for police to come, the homeowner asked Eddy to wait in his driveway, but officials say that Eddy then attacked the homeowner who then shot and killed him before police got there."

Apparently the homeowner asked the stranger to wait outside and didn't allow him back in. That's a better tactic.
 

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