papajohn428
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Excellent article, David. I'd never understood what Teflon had to do with anything..........but it sounded plausible!
Black Talon Fact or fiction
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Excellent article, David. I'd never understood what Teflon had to do with anything..........but it sounded plausible!
BobR1
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Several years ago I did a little back yard testing of ammunition using a Fackler Water Box. My box was designed to hold Quart zip loc bags of water.
Their is a conversion table to compair the water penetration to ballistic jell.
What I found with the original Black Tallon load was, that it penetrated way to deep. When it did come to a stop it did look impressive however. Very sharp petals.
I am very surprised that the DOC recovered any in bodies. From my testing I figured you would have probably 95% pass throughs on front to back shots with them. I think I was testing 10mm and 45 acp only. I would need to inventory my envelopes with recovered bullets to see for sure.
Bob
Their is a conversion table to compair the water penetration to ballistic jell.
What I found with the original Black Tallon load was, that it penetrated way to deep. When it did come to a stop it did look impressive however. Very sharp petals.
I am very surprised that the DOC recovered any in bodies. From my testing I figured you would have probably 95% pass throughs on front to back shots with them. I think I was testing 10mm and 45 acp only. I would need to inventory my envelopes with recovered bullets to see for sure.
Bob
rburg
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We discuss the penetration or over penetration thing all the time. Problem is, we don't get to pick our attacker, they pick us. Black Talon is a line (or was a line) of products. 357s, 9mm. and 44 Mag are the ones I think I still have around. Those cover a wide range of penetration characteristics. You can have an attacker that weighs 110# and any thing will probably shoot front to back. Or one that weighs 275 and your shot isn't head on, its side to side. And of them will do an admirable job. Or maybe its a mean old black bear. I'd like the additional penetration in that scenario. In fact, I'd like the 44 to open up to 75 caliber and spin like a propeller as it chews its way along.
As others always inject, there are newer bullet designs that purportedly perform better. Maybe. It might not be the best design this year, but it still a darn good one. Anybody who takes one or more is a hurtin' fool.
As others always inject, there are newer bullet designs that purportedly perform better. Maybe. It might not be the best design this year, but it still a darn good one. Anybody who takes one or more is a hurtin' fool.
keith44spl
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I've used both the teflon coated round as well as the new gliding jacket'd bullet...I guess I prefer the newer Winchester Ranger.
This is a .45 ACP Ranger bullet retrieved from 16" of water.
When you think about it, what with a 1 in 16 or so of twist it could make about a full revaluation.
45 ACP 230 gr. Winchester Ranger
Su Amigo,
Dave
This is a .45 ACP Ranger bullet retrieved from 16" of water.
When you think about it, what with a 1 in 16 or so of twist it could make about a full revaluation.
45 ACP 230 gr. Winchester Ranger
Su Amigo,
Dave
Jack Flash
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In the hysterical media reports, it was claimed to go through a person's body "spinning like a propeller". In reality, it makes less than one turn in a foot. Not that I would want it to go through me, whether the petals were spinning or not.
Regarding the 110 lb vs the 275 lb attacker:
Don't forget that in addition to the attacker being huge and sideways, he could be crouching, have on a thick winter coat, etc, etc.
keith44spl
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papajohn428
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Yup,
Need to think 'bout sum hardball for that winter time garb
I figure if the hollow point gets plugged and doesn't expand.........it IS Hardball!
keith44spl
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