Blinking neighbors cats

[Jellybean]

My dog died last September, I'm not sure if she was poisoned or not. At first I never gave it a thought but the neighbors one one side of us have been acting a little strange. Well, he was always strange, but she used to be real friendly, now she goes out of her way to avoid us.

Like Dick Burg, I like dogs more than people and watching her die like that was pretty upsetting. I wouldn't poison any animal for any reason, they don't know what they are doing and shouldn't have to go through that. I'm not saying I wouldn't kill an animal, but it sure won't suffer very much.

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by Folterung:
cmort666...LOL!
Actually my name means something different than that...but I guess someone with 666 in their handle can be bothered with the meanings/significance of other screen names.

Plus your "aggressive" attitude towards animals and the people that defend them might have some pathological significance. Just saying.

I have a VERY aggressive attitude toward numbskulls who think that everybody's property is their property. Oddly, so do the courts.

 

[Folterung]

But the courts don't like harming small animals like you seem to do.

 

[grit]

Originally posted by Folterung:
But the courts don't like harming small animals like you seem to do.

I don't think he likes harming animals...it's a little consideration that he's after.

cmort, I'm sorry your neighbors are such pricks...you definitely have a right to be pissed.

No trolls here...everyone seems to be very earnest. High emotions are leading to a bit too much intensity and condescension, though.

The opinions that are being offered up here are most useful in the situations of the posters providing them...most of them wouldn't work in my situation.

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by grit:

Originally posted by Folterung:
But the courts don't like harming small animals like you seem to do.

I don't think he likes harming animals...it's a little consideration that he's after.

cmort, I'm sorry your neighbors are such pricks...you definitely have a right to be pissed.

No trolls here...everyone seems to be very earnest. High emotions are leading to a bit too much intensity and condescension, though.

The opinions that are being offered up here are most useful in the situations of the posters providing them...most of them wouldn't work in my situation.

Not my neighbors, a friend's. They've since moved.

ONE cat owner here has volunteered to clean up his cats' messes, to his credit. The counterpoint to this is the assertions that cat owners own everyone else's property and can do with it what they will, when they will. That's not a position that's going to work for somebody in court.

 

[Folterung]

That's fine...it just seems the thread degraded into personal attacks...ie trolling.

As far as harming the animals, when your first thought to a cat problem is to poison them/shoot them, you need to seek the help of a mental health professional.

 

[grit]

Originally posted by Folterung:
As far as harming the animals, when your first thought to a cat problem is to poison them/shoot them, you need to seek the help of a mental health professional.

I know this is a long thread, but you need to go back and read about the measures that were taken before the situation escalated.

 

[Folterung]

Read the thread...and in Fairfax County VA people have "solved" animal problems only to find themselves brought up on animal cruelty charges.

These aren't cockroaches we are talking about, but cats.

 

[bmcgilvray]

It's a split here.

One recent cat is a cute, spayed female that's not troublesome. My wife will scratch her beneath the chin while watering the garden. Another recent tom began coming around beating up on the little female, spraying, yowling in the night, setting the dog to barking, climbing on things he had no business climbing, and always running off furtively. He was a problem that's now gone. My property, my choice. No muss, no fuss.

Someone who stoops to becoming a glutton for punishment, as may be dealt by cats irresponsibly tended, needs to seek the help of a mental health professional. Some of us have our heads screwed on straight about priorities.

 

[DeathGrip]

"before the situation escaleted" Now theres an understatement!

 

[ohiobuckeye]

Originally posted by Folterung:
But the courts don't like harming small animals like you seem to do.

Depends on where you live and the circumstances. Shooting your neighbor's cat in the middle of Fairfax or any other city, will probably get you in trouble for a number of reasons even if nobody cared one whit about the cat. Where I live, shooting cats or dogs CAUSING A PROBLEM ON YOUR PROPERTY won't cause the county leos to even raise an eyebrow. I've even known some of the local leos to dispatch a few problem critters. This is a farming area with lots of fenced livestock and many of the residents are hunters of the small game these "pets' kill off, so there isn't a hell of a lot of sympathy for people who refuse to control their "pets". Nobody here is advocating shooting cats, dogs, or any other pets, just for the sake of having a moving target.
For those folks who describe their pets as "outside" animals with the right to roam, crap, hunt, track on newly washed cars, dig in anyones flowerbeds and gardens, and attack other pets, they should try asserting those idiotic beliefs in a Manhatten apartment complex and see who wins. As already said, keep the pets safe at home, and there is no problem for anyone.

 

[Folterung]

Point taken...especially ohiobuckeye's.

Just seen too many whackjobs with a 12 gauge yelling at anything that crosses his lawn.

 

[redlevel]

Originally posted by Amici:

Originally posted by redlevel: I'm not going to shoot someone's pet on purpose, but if a pet cat happens to be stalking my quail or rabbits, in the middle of my property, then he/she has had it.

YOUR quail and rabbits?

Did you purchase and stock the property with them? If not, they are wild and are property of the STATE, your delusions to the contrary notwithstanding.

So, you are killing animals you know full well may be pets for the "crime" of being part of the natural cycle. You must be so proud.

Speaking of delusions, feral cats are definitely not part of the natural cycle. In fact, when they exist in the wild, they become a non-native invasive species, much like kudzu and feral hogs. Any professional wildlife manager will tell you that eradication should be the ultimate goal for dealing with a non-native invasive, whether it be flora or fauna.

No, I am not "proud." I am angered, though, that irresponsible people release literally dozens of unwanted dogs and cats in the vicinity of my property each year, and that bleeding heart "animal lovers" take offense when I have to clean up the mess these people have created.

Try another argument. That one doesn't hold water. To say that feral cats are part of the "natural cycle" is just laughable.

 

[Filbird]

It's so easy for these arguments to get heated, and I'm indicting myself as much as anyone.

I love my pets. I'm caring for an elderly terrier right now, a rescued dog of unknown past, estimated at 12-14 years, and I've had cats that were incredibly affectionate and bonded to me. I've always done my best to take care of them, though some have just been outdoor cats, no matter what I did, they just drove me nuts until I let them go outside and do their cat thing, and when someone talks about shooting a cat or poisoning a cat or hanging it from a tree, it's just too darned easy to imagine it being MY cat, and responding accordingly - which I suppose means that I'm personalizing it, myself.

 

[Jellybean]

These aren't cockroaches we are talking about, but cats.

That is because you love cats. To someone who doesn't, and has to tolerate them when they don't want to, there is no difference.

 

[tallpaul]

Originally posted by Folterung:
That's fine...it just seems the thread degraded into personal attacks...ie trolling.

As far as harming the animals, when your first thought to a cat problem is to poison them/shoot them, you need to seek the help of a mental health professional.

No No No - YOU need to move to a communist/socialist state if you feel it is everyone's responsibility to provide for all others at your expense.

If a critter is eliminated it is not to harm the critter but to eliminate the problem from ones property. It does not matter that the problem seems trivial to you or that it may even be trivial- it is solved by some. No where in this thread did I see anyone reveling in the task. Sometimes a task needs to be done to protect ones property.


as far as the personal attacks as you call them what do you expect. I believe the terms I used are very accurate to describe someone that insists that they or their critters or other folks and their critters have a "right" to use my or anyone else s property without the permission of the owner let alone to sanction it after they have been told not to do so.

I believe that idiot,socialist and asshat all apply to anyone like that.

 

[tallpaul]

Originally posted by Filbird:
It's so easy for these arguments to get heated, and I'm indicting myself as much as anyone.

I love my pets. I'm caring for an elderly terrier right now, a rescued dog of unknown past, estimated at 12-14 years, and I've had cats that were incredibly affectionate and bonded to me. I've always done my best to take care of them, though some have just been outdoor cats, no matter what I did, they just drove me nuts until I let them go outside and do their cat thing, and when someone talks about shooting a cat or poisoning a cat or hanging it from a tree, it's just too darned easy to imagine it being MY cat, and responding accordingly - which I suppose means that I'm personalizing it, myself.

If you cared for "your pet" you would keep it on your land. Your inability to train or deal with the critter is not every one else s problem. It and the consequences are your alone.

As far as personalizing it that is a two way street...

 

[tallpaul]

Originally posted by Folterung:
Point taken...especially ohiobuckeye's.

Just seen too many whackjobs with a 12 gauge yelling at anything that crosses his lawn.

Why is someone a whackjob just because they believe their property is their property?

As much as you love critters at all costs there are some of us out there that love our lawns and gardens, We invest time and resources into them and take care of them as some do cars etc.

In the same token I am not a big car nut but have friends who are. I 6000.oo paintjob on a car is a bit much to me but for them its great. For you or any other person to feel a cat should be able to run across his car on his property and that the critter has a right to just because you value the cat more than his property is ridiculous...

In reality the truth is it does not matter if its an expensive item or just dirt. Another man may value it more than you do and if it is his property he should have a right to demand others leave it alone or he should be able to deal with it.

 

[sasu]

A person who cannot tolerate nature's creatures on his/her property, should sell the property and move into a nice, sterile city apartment. Why keep straining one's nerves when the solution is so simple: get rid of the property.

Living close to nature is for those people who have the self confidence, wisdom and character to coexist with other species. The other people are called city slickers and there are tall buildings and paved streets built just for them. Be honest to yourself when evaluating which group you belong to, and act accordingly.

 

[redlevel]

Originally posted by sasu:
A person who cannot tolerate nature's creatures on his/her property, should sell the property and move into a nice, sterile city apartment. Why keep straining one's nerves when the solution is so simple: get rid of the property.

Living close to nature is for those people who have the self confidence, wisdom and character to coexist with other species. The other people are called city slickers and there are tall buildings and paved streets built just for them. Be honest to yourself when evaluating which group you belong to, and act accordingly.

Domesticated cats that are allowed to "to do their cat thing" and become feral, which is what they do when they leave your yard, ARE NOT "nature's creature's." They become an introduced species, and that is almost always bad for nature.

People who have pets should have enough self-confidence, wisdom and character to keep those pets confined to their own property so that nature can flourish on my property.

Why do some of y'all insist on bringing terms like "the natural cycle" and "nature's creatures" into a discussion of free roaming cats? There is nothing "natural" about an introduced species entering a habitat.