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Bill, can you provide us some general information about how to send a handgun to you for work to be done? My only experience with this is returning one to S&W after going through its process of having a return authorization issued, etc.

Is transferring the gun through an FFL necessary for custom work, or can we ship guns to you ourselves?

Thanks -- hope this will be helpful to everyone else interested in your work as well.
 
Sure happy to help...

One caveat... various shipping entities frequently change their rules so it's best to check with the company a get the latest dope direct from them.

Ok then as a NON-Licensee you are basically down to UPS or FEDEX and I'm pretty sure both require overnight express for handgun shipments. This gets pretty pricey fast. USPS will only ship handguns between FFL licensees.

I'll briefly describe the last couple times I shipped a gun as a non-licensee:

About 8 years ago I traded off a Freedom Arms revolver and shipped it via UPS. At the time UPS was not accepting sealed packages so I had to open the parcel at the UPS office then re-seal it. Additionally, I had to show proof the addressee was an FFL or authorized recipient. the cost was near $70 for next day delivery.

Last Year I traded off my melted 4516. I got on the USPS website, prepared and payed for the shipping via priority mail with my go to transfer FFL guy's address as the shipper. I had arranged in advance for both dealers to exchange FFLs via email so all I had to do was carry the gun and open package with pre-printed, pre-payed shipping label over to my guy, he enters it in his A&D book sealed the box and hands it to the postman. USPS small flat rate box was around $6.75 then plus insurance, my bill was around $12 as I recall.

If you have a good relationship with your local FFL that is probably the most cost effective method to ship a pistol to me.
You arrange ahead of time for me and your guy to exchange FFLs and hand him the gun. He enters it as an acquisition then a disposition to me and ships it. I get the gun and enter it as a acquisition, do the work, enter a disposition to your dealer and ship it back. Your dealer gets it, acquisition then disposition to you, the down side is you'll have to fill out another 4473 pros: less costly. cons: more paperwork and if you're not pals with your FFL... possible multiple transfer fees.

You can ship direct to me though, just not through USPS. United Parcel and FEDEX both have sections on their websites outlining procedures for shipping firearms by individuals. Best to check with your chosen shipper direct to get the latest rules & procedures. Which one is preferred? Ehh, 6 to 1 to half a dozen of the other:rolleyes: No difference IMO, I go with who's closer. For me UPS is less than a half mile away while FEDEX is 70 miles.

DO NOT make, or leave any markings on the box that indicate it contains a firearm. (this includes business names that include "GUN" in the title) best to address it in the name of the licensee.

DO Insure the shipment.

DO NOT ship anything to me unless I have given you the go-ahead.

NOTE: I can only return ship firearms to an official address as noted on your DL. I will need you to text or email me an image of your DL, CCW, municiple water bill, or some other official document with your name on it and the address to where the firearm is disposed to when I'm done with the work. Not my rules but ATF's so don't shoot the messenger;)

For example. You send a gun to me for whatever... You live in North Carolina. While I have your gun on the bench you go on a trip to Alaska and and want the gun shipped to you at your vacation spot in Sitka. Sorry no can do... I can only ship it to the address on your DL , you know, the DL pic you texted to me before shipping the gun to me back before you left for Alaska, yeah that address:D Again, not my rules, but rules I am bound by.

Now, on my end... I receive a firearm from you. It gets entered in my book as an acquisition. I then perform the work. Upon completion I will prepare the shipment via USPS Priority Mail and enter the gun's disposition in my book. I will request a pickup and when my Postman stops by I'll hand him the box containing your gun, inform him it contains a firearm and ask him to scan it in right then. I will have either emailed or PM'd you the tracking number.
And take note: When I return ship it's going to be marked 'delivery confirmation required' AND 'adult signature required'. If nobody is there to sign for it hopefully your carrier leaves you a notice and takes it back to the shop instead of dropping it on your porch:rolleyes:

If you know in advance no one is going to be home to sign for it you can let me know to mark it 'hold for pickup' in which case you'll have to go fetch it at your post office.

I think it best NOT to have a gun sitting in the mailbox or laying on the porch all day until someone gets home, especially considering all the parcel stealing we've seen of late.

That's about all I can think of right now, I hope this clears things up somewhat:confused:

Cheers
Bill
 
Thanks, Bill. That's a fine description, and I appreciate not having to read the regs myself! :) I'll PM you separately for a question about some work I want you to do.
 
Question from a dirt poor old man: The mothership and other gun makers use pre-printed labels from their own accounts to make shipping to them as simple and inexpensive as possible. Is that allowed and practical for a small gunsmithing operation? Or am I dreaming? :confused:

Also, can multiple handguns be shipped in the same box? Or are you limited by law or shipper policies to one gun per box? :confused:
 
It's called Ship My Gun, Jeppo. They use FedEx. There's a website: Gun Shipping - Fast, Legal, Affordable.

Looks pretty easy to use.

I was not aware of that outfit. Looks pretty interesting however, the big company logo on their box announcing the contents gives me pause. I'd cover that 'steal me logo' up with a big slab of gummed tape.

Cheers
Bill
 
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Question from a dirt poor old man: The mothership and other gun makers use pre-printed labels from their own accounts to make shipping to them as simple and inexpensive as possible. Is that allowed and practical for a small gunsmithing operation? Or am I dreaming? :confused:

Allowed? certainly. Practical? I don't know, I'll look into it. Thing is large business entities negotiate contracts with shippers for deep discounts on high volume. Not sure it would be economical for me as a one man show, but I'll check into it anyway and post what I find out.

Also, can multiple handguns be shipped in the same box? Or are you limited by law or shipper policies to one gun per box? :confused:

Multiple handgun dispositions within a 7 day period require extra paperwork (ATF 3910.2) and notification of the ATF. I don't see any legal limitation, shipping companies may have some rules, but in any event you draw extra Federal attention to yourself doing that. Even if shipped separate in two parcels it's still reportable if within a 7 day period. Why bother, I only work on one at a time anyway:D

Cheers
Bill
 
Allowed? certainly. Practical? I don't know, I'll look into it. Thing is large business entities negotiate contracts with shippers for deep discounts on high volume. Not sure it would be economical for me as a one man show, but I'll check into it anyway and post what I find out.
Thanks BMCM! :) I'm hoping this is a real (and legal) possibility as it suddenly makes sending you relatively small repairs and enhancements feasible without breaking the bank on shipping and transfer fees.

Multiple handgun dispositions within a 7 day period require extra paperwork (ATF 3910.2) and notification of the ATF. I don't see any legal limitation, shipping companies may have some rules, but in any event you draw extra Federal attention to yourself doing that. Even if shipped separate in two parcels it's still reportable if within a 7 day period. Why bother, I only work on one at a time anyway:D
My second question related back to my first question. Again, I am thinking about how the mothership handles repairs, under warranty or otherwise. They send you a label and you mail the gun to them using that label... and then (eventually) they mail the gun back to you. In other words, no FFL transfer fees involved (or scary ATF multi-transfer paperwork) and mucho cheaper shipping. :) Is that something only a manufacturer can do? Or can a licensed gunsmith do the same thing? :confused:

You'd think I'd know this by now, but I don't. :o
 
Wow! Zombie thread resurrected from the great beyond:D getting bombed with likes. Thanks guys.

Yeah, I'm still wrenching on stuff, just renewed my FFL and just bought a new lathe. Actually that was the second new lathe in as many weeks.

The first one wasn't capable of a specific threading operation I needed to do so I bought another one. I gave that first machine to Guzzi so, his capabilities will be expanding soon once he gets the hang of it :D Better make sure to keep my phone charged up;) It's supposed to be delivered tomorrow:eek:

Cheers
Bill
 
Well there's one thing that hasn't been mentioned.

Bill, ( BMCM,) is not only talented but is reachable. If you have a question about whatever you are asking him he will reply. I appreciated his advice to me about a conversion I was considering and I listened.

That is outstanding that guzzitaco has another resource and of course that is appreciated by many.

Jim
 
I second what Jim says . I've used both of these craftsman and I won't let anyone else touch my guns . I recently reached out to Bill about having a 9mm barrel fitted to my .356 Limited . He promptly got back to me explaining what had to be done and said he was reaching out to Briley about bushings . I could have sent it to Briley , I was told they will fit their barrels at no charge , but Bill is the ONLY ONE that is going to touch one of my PC guns .

Maybe I sound like a cheerleader for Bill and Ramon , but I can't say enough about the men themselves and the work they do .
 
awesome stuff! sent you a PM and am excited to get my 5096's perfected. thanks!
 
I've got one of you're .40S&W conversions and love it! good news.
 
I think this thread should be a sticky. I've been coming to this forum for years and didn't see all those services that he offers until today.
 
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