Bodyguard 380 questions

I own a Bodyguard for about a month now, but have had it in my possession for only a little over a week. Two range trips amounting to a total of 250 rounds resulted in 11 avg. failures to fire, ( light strikes ) per 50 round box of two of the six brands of ammo I shot. Now I know why Smith made the BG second strike capable! So, it is back to Smith for repair. Certain brands were flawless.
Some may say just shoot the brands that work.....I guess I'm looking for perfection. I own other small guns in 9mm and they have all been 100% flawless.
In spite of the problem, I actually like the little gun and hope Smith makes it right.
 
I love my shield so much I bought a bg 380 w/Crimson trace tonight. My father has the older version and has had no problems with his.
 
I just bought one when i bought my shield.I gave it to the wife.It was made 2/14 i will have to run some ammo threw it soon.Wish i read more first.I assumed because it was a smith it has to be a good gun.Than again some internet tests on them seem to be real good.I would have to guess you either get a good one or not at this time.If mine is not smith will see it back until its rigt.
 
I am an S&W man, and it kills me to say this, but the trigger pull on the BG380 is terrible. I am in contact with Galloway for their Trigger Kit , but they are out of stock. I actually had a Ruger LCP and got rid of it for this BG, but i not sure i did the right thing. In spite of my love for S&W's.
 
Del
If your willing to wait for Galloway and spend $100 on the trigger kit it is well worth it!! I installed it on my m&p bg and my dad installed one on his aswell. I think if you do you will fall in love with your bg all over again. Good luck and if you do get the kit let us know what you think.
If you send a email to Debbie. At Galloway and ask her when they will be back in stock she will email you when they have them.
 
.380 ammo isn't that hard to find anymore and the price has come down a little. Mine had some jams at first but the gun shop I bought it from had a gunsmith who polished the barrel and ramp at no charge and it hasn't had a problem since regardless of what type of ammo I've run though it. I like the gun but it's not one I take to the range to shoot for fun because of the long trigger pull which I think is that for liability purposes, S&W and yours. If you really have to shoot someone, you'll have so much adrenaline running you won't notice the trigger pull anyway. Also, I found the gun to be fairly accurate up to 21 feet but in most cases, you will be closer to your assaillent than that. Anyway, I'm not selling mine anytime soon even though I have others I carry at times but I find the BG to be very handy. Regards, Jim
 
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Sig&wesson
Do you mean the mag release button on the grips??
You said
What Im still trying to figure out though is if it's normal to have to push the slide release in to put my mag in(this is the new CT model).

Yes it is - and has been posted before in other threads.

If you take apart a few different firearms and compared the surfaces where the mag catch/release interacts with both the leading edge of the magazine as it is inserted and where it engages the magazine you will see a couple major variants which are quite different in function.

Some firearms have a pivoting mechanism to engage the magazine and or a tapered leading edge on the magazine, either way they act to gradually push the catch/release mechanism until it engages.

Others, have a catch/release and a leading edge of the magazine which meet at a right angle and depending on how tight the magazine is inside the grip will determine on how easily/readily the magazine can push past the catch. Hold you hold the firearm can also have an effect - for example if you are squeezing the grip in one hand such that you are blocking the release then it may not move out of the way as readily. In most (all?) cases if you press the magazine into the firearm with sufficient force you will overcome the resistance imparted by the two surfaces meeting. But, what I do is at least partially press in the release button until the top of the magazine is past the catch.

For example - if you look at this Glock magazine - on the top right edge - just below the follower - there is a beveled edge - that is the edge that pushed the mag catch out of the way.
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On a couple of my Rugers - the magazine catch is a pivoting part along the front of the magazine rather than the side - and it acts like a ramp.

On the BG380 (and several other S&Ws I have) the leading edge of the mag is not tapered or beveled at all, but possibly could be. Or they could have made the lower edge of the catch angled while leaving the top flat - I wonder if there would be enough room inside the grip to make an aftermarket catch that would have a ramp. Possibly not without making a notch in the grip/frame to accommodate the ramp.

I suppose I could try to get some pictures or draw some diagrams if anyone is interested - but the point is that as far as I can tell (as someone who is not a trained gunsmith but with plenty of experience with mechanical things) that is the way it is designed and your two options are to practice partial pressure on the release during the initial magazine insertion - or additional force on insertion.
Of course in a real life incident the fine motor skill of partial release pressure on insertion will likely go out the window - so it is good to know and even occasionally practice the forceful insertion and the overall message is that it does not indicate there is anything wrong with you firearm.
 
I purchased my no-laser model of the BG a little over a month ago and not a single problem w/300 + rounds down range. I've shot FMJ as well as the HPR 90 grain HP (my carry ammo) and can't make the thing jam. This is the first and only sub compact .380 that has worked for me. The Ruger LCP, Glock 42 all suffered from every problem a semi auto can have. I'm more than pleased w/the accuracy & reliability of my M&P.

The .380 ammo availability around my neck of the woods is no problem.
 
My wife purchased the BG 380 for carry and we both shoot it at the range. I have posted here about recurring issues. They are:

1. lock back after last shot does not work...ever. stopped early and didn't improve even with mags cleaned...new mags...and new springs from SW for the mags.
2. mag insert has always meant pushing the mag release button in before mags will go in.
3. when mag release button is pushed we still have to physically reach for the mag and pull it out...not a good thing in a ccw firearm.
4. gun is "picky" about ammo with a habit of having the casing hang up instead of ejecting correctly...causing a ftf on next round. again this is not a good thing for a ccw firearm.
5. very thin and hard handle making it prone to move a bit on rapid fire...another ccw concern.
6. sw techs and cust supt has been mediocre at best.

bottom line: easy to conceal and shoots accurately...when it does.
we are still trying to work out the bugs but if we had to do it again probably would have a purchased something else.
 
My wife purchased the BG 380 for carry and we both shoot it at the range. I have posted here about recurring issues. They are:

1. lock back after last shot does not work...ever. stopped early and didn't improve even with mags cleaned...new mags...and new springs from SW for the mags.
2. mag insert has always meant pushing the mag release button in before mags will go in.
3. when mag release button is pushed we still have to physically reach for the mag and pull it out...not a good thing in a ccw firearm.
4. gun is "picky" about ammo with a habit of having the casing hang up instead of ejecting correctly...causing a ftf on next round. again this is not a good thing for a ccw firearm.
5. very thin and hard handle making it prone to move a bit on rapid fire...another ccw concern.
6. sw techs and cust supt has been mediocre at best.

bottom line: easy to conceal and shoots accurately...when it does.
we are still trying to work out the bugs but if we had to do it again probably would have a purchased something else.

All of these issues are the reason I traded for a Sig 238. It has been flawless and eats what ever I feed it.
 
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I know some won't like this. I have a 625-10, 340pd, and a 442 but turned down a BG for a Taurus Tcp. Trigger was much better and just felt better to me. $175 for it and have had no issues at 350 rounds now. Very accurate also. I know they have also had problems but mine is flawless. Glad I made this choice. Oh I also have the p238. Fantastic gun.
 
I bought a BG about a month ago. Took it to the range and fired about 90 rounds with no major problems. The slide locked back after the last round every time....except twice when the spent case didn't eject completely & was caught in the slide. It was easily cleared. I was using PMC ammo (ball) and Sig (hollow point).
 
Replaced barrel

So I've been thinking about some carry pistols and the bodyguard came to mind. I've been looking around the forum for some reviews and they are all over the place. Are they really as bad as everyone says they are? And is 380 ammo that hard to find? Thanks everyone!

My Bodyguard has been back to S&W 3 times. The last two times for bad rifling in the barrel. They replaced the barrel with one just about as bad as the first one so I sent it back again. When it was returned this time it had a barrel with rifling like it should be. Sharp and smooth. For the past several years S&W has used a EDM process to rifle their barrels. The process produced shallow rough groves with rounded edges. My new barrel has deeper and smoother groves and the edges are sharper.
One other thing the parting line on the top of the barrel, that was left from the barrel manufacturing process on my last two barrels, was ground off to a nice smooth surface.
 
My thoughts are this... Dont base your buying desicions on what you read on some of these online forums. Some of these commentors may or may not be telling the truth. I feel that you may get a better idea about a product by reading reviews on the sellers websites to be more reliable.

With that being said I've owned my (no lazer model) M&P .380 since Dec. '14 and have fired at least 750 rnds thru it with only 4 FTF & 2 times the slide didnt lock back after the last round. I have contributed those "failures" to be the plastic follower in the magazine sticking from the soot that builds up during range time. I usually shoot at least 100-150 rnds thru it when I bring it out and by then it starts getting dirty & that is when you may encounter one of those minor issues. I never had a light strike & it went bang every time I pulled the trigger.
As with any small pocket pistol it is vital to keep them clean and take the mags apart & clean them too. I trust mt M&P 380 & I've carried it more times than my Shield 9.
 
Capt Ron....LOL, I should have purchased your BG380. Put new mag springs in and picked up some more PMC 90gr and will check it out(or rather my wife will) at the range Monday. Your success story gives me hope!!

BTW: the issues we have documented on this forum are absolutely true and we aren't rookies in this game. Not to get into specifics but SW cust svc has failed us too often. Oddly, we both still like the clunker!
 
I have been carrying one of the laser-less M&P bodyguards for the past year. I have shot over 500 rounds through it without any issues, last year i even had to put down a mortally wounded deer with it that I hit. I use the barnes Tac-XPD ammo.
 
Well....mine works pretty good. Ran 100 rounds of ball through it with no problems. Kept all of them on a sillouet at 3 yards which is what I think the gun is supposed to be used for and the trigger was nice and smooth like a double action revolver. Long for sure but I think that's the point, to fire this gun you need a deliberate pull-you DON'T want a hair trigger. Exactly what I want for a pocket carry pistol.
I would imagine it ain't worth a **** on the 25 yard line though.
You got to remember what the gun is for.
 
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