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Maybe I'm off base with this. We have camping areas around here and quite often there're Boy Scouts troops set up. The troop leaders and counselors would bring a trailer of gear and set up camp before the kids get there. They'd do all the cooking and food would be set up buffet style. There's treated water available but you have to work a manual pump to get it. So instead they have several containers of water. If there's hiking involved, The troop leaders'd pack up, drive to the next camp and set up. This goes on all summer with several different troops from different areas.
I just remember when I was in the Boy Scouts we'd carry our own gear, set up our own camp, cook our own meals and pump our own water. If there was hiking involved we'd pack up our tent and all of our gear, backpack our stuff to the next camp and set up there.
Is this modern scouting? or is it just unique to this area?
 
This seems in step with our dependent society. As a country, we don't praise self-reliance or personal accomplishment anymore.

Camping as a scout was always meant to be a learning, bonding, physically challenging experience. Not the forest version of Club Med.

Do the BSofA now have a merit badge now for room service? This is disappointing.
 
That's not how they did it in the troop my son was in. The boys did all the planning and preparations under the watch of the adults. The boys were responsible for setting up their own tent and camp area. They were each assigned meals they were responsible for planning and preparing. Others were assigned clean-up duty. It sounds like your group's adult leadership is a little overbearing, overprotective, etc.
 
I was a Scout Master and / or Assistant Scout Master for 11 years. That problem is unique to your area and i'm sure many others. Most Scout Troops are not run like that.
The Troop is only as good as the leaders, and if they run it like that, they are missing to whole point of Scouting and short changing the scouts.
Scouting is designed to teach young boys and girls how to not only think for themselves, but to take charge and lead.
It's right in the leader training, however like any other organization, directions gets lost or misunderstood. That's a shame to hear that.
All that troop is doing is teaching them how to go modern day camping and rely on others to set it up. A hard lesson comes in the real world.
 
I found out that the Boy Scouts now have a merit badge for welding. I am planning on putting something together so that I can help interested Scouts get it. I've already contacted the local leadership and they sounded interested.
 
I recall in 1959 my scout troop hiked from one end of Philmont Scout Ranch to the other. We carried all our stuff on our backs, tents, sleeping bags, cooking gear and food for two to three days. We did this up and down the mountains and had the time of our lives. Every three days or so we would re-supply with food from trailside food lockers. We caught trout in the streams, cleaned and cooked them. I still have good memories of that two weeks in the mountains, over 50 years ago. I learned at lot.
 
I was a Scout Leader for 12 years (1988-2000) and unless there have been major changes I don't know about, that ain't how its supposed to work.
The Troop is divided into Patrols and each Patrol takes care of itself. The Patrol Leaders Coucil decides where we go and what we do there. The Patrols each set their own menu, bring their own food, do their own cooking, set up their own camp area and clean up after themselves.
The purpose of the adults is to teach, advise and keep 'em out of trouble.
Scouting is supposed to teach leadership, teamwork and self reliance.
These guys are doing it wrong. :(
 
I'll redact my original post. Let's just say I'm not proud of the BSA right now.
 
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Snubby, I think you might be off base on this. Appearances are not always what they seem, and what might look like a sorry excuse for a camping experience could very possibly be just the opposite.

I am an Eagle Scout and formerly an adult volunteer with a couple of different troops, and I'm aware that there are many different types of camping expeditions. Some are meant intentionally to "rough it," such as the Philmont Scout Ranch expeditions for backpacking in the wilderness, or many of the other challenging outdoor treks offered by the program. Others are weekend "camporees" or "jamborees" where Scouts practice their craft and learn skills in camping, cooking, knot-tying, and inter-troop competitions. These are probably the type of events people "expect" to see from Scouts.

Other expeditions, though, are designed to expose the boys to areas of historical or ecological interest, and not as a time for them to necessarily do their own cooking, or have planned hikes, and so forth. Carrying their own water to these might have been an intentional decision to keep the boys from potential gastric distress from water they're not accustomed to drinking. Having adults cook the meals is a way to free up time when the boys can be focused on the purpose of the outing, whatever and wherever off-site it might be. In those instances, having dads and other adults along to smooth the logistics is not only appropriate, it's helpful and contributes to the enjoyment and efficient use of time of everyone.

The important thing in any expedition is that the kids are with their troop; that they are enjoying the outdoors (as we used to say 2/3 of "scouting" is "outing", and that's a good percentage for how much time to be spent outside in troop activities), and making memories and learning values that will last them for many years. I'm tickled to hear that there are so many troops using the camps near you -- it tells me these are active units, with good leaders and involved adults and boys running their program and learning leadership. In this day and age, that's something to celebrate.

Scouting is still the finest program of its kind for American youth, in my opinion, and I for one am glad that the organization is making itself available to as many boys as possible. When I think that some kids, because of institutional policies, have in years past either not been able to enjoy and learn from a program that did so much for me and my friends, or have even been thrown out when they were "discovered", it's discouraging and even heartbreaking.

Scouting has changed as times have changed, usually lagging by a few years, but still catching up eventually. I think the program is doing fine, and is a national treasure.

God Bless the Boy Scouts of America.:)
 
I'll redact my original post. Let's just say I'm not proud of the BSA right now.

I didn't see your original post, but if you mean what I think you mean, then I couldn't agree with you more.
 
Thanks all for helping to clear that up a bit. I had hoped that this wasn't what scouting has come to.
Vigil617, this is a historic area with a history dating back to the days of George Washington. So it could very well be a weekend outing to a historic area. In fact my wife and I have once used George Washington's outhouse and we've seen his bathtub where he used to soak in the local mineral springs.
It is good to see that scouting is alive and well.
 
Snubby, I know what you are talking about. Before I bowed out of scouting I could see this type of behavior in several of the "BIG" troops. While I was scoutmaster, the boys did their own stuff. Troop camp outs etc. were guided in the way I wanted them to go where I could tell the boys to give me the paperwork on particularly the outdoor badges because they had completed the skills. The 8 boys that stayed with the program all made Eagle. The big troops seemed to be the ones that followed the throw money and we will get rid of your kids for the weekend. Our big money trips were wild tours of the Lost Sea (Tenn) and overnight stays on the USS Alabama (Mobile, Al) Cheapest were 50 mile Afoot/Afloat trips every 2 years.
There are still several of the old timey troops out there you just have to look for them.
Larry
 
I too am "old school" in that we did our own cooking, setting up and striking camp, planning the hikes. I staffed at one National Jamboree, have been to two of them and a World Jamboree and staffed at National Camp School so I know the way it is "suppose to be".

BUT...as posted earlier by Vigil617, not all camping is equal. In some cases, as pointed out the "mission" of the camping is to be near historical areas...camping allows cheap accommodations and the work during the camp might be history, astronomy, geology, environmental focused...

OR, there might be competitive cooking dads...to find out just ask "charcoal or gas" and step back.

Two other possibilities...the troop might have handicapped scouts or, maybe the good cooks left the program.

Eagle/70
 
Just another reflection of what our society has become. No different than every kid in school getting an "award", even if it was for just showing up most days. God forbid we actually EXPECT something from the kids. They have to have warm fuzzies 100% of the time or we're eeeeevil people!
 
As a former scout and scoutmaster I will say the "goal of camping" will change according to what the scouts will do once they arrive. To me it is "time management". The troop committee and scouts would plan on events and then we would see what we could could to maximize the scouts involvement in the event.
Boy Scouts teaches a lot and the key thing to allow these young men the opportunity to succeed or fail. That is a valuable life lesson that they will always remember.
 
Guess its different in the west.
I did RSO duty for a local boy scout troop last fall.
Kids did all the planning.
Each group of 8 or so had a "patrol box" they loaded with all their cooking gear and food. They carried it in, set up, cooked cleaned without adult intervention.
Adults kept their distance the whole time (except on the range, that is, which was rigidly supervised).
 
I can assure you, in our troop the scouts start their own fires and if they cannot start a fire after their demo and instruction they eat cold food while the dads and Scoutmasters grill steaks - likewise with tents and hammocks etc. - these new spring loaded tents are seldom a challenge but the Scoutmasters are not going to set it up for the scouts.
 
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Wow, not as I remember Scouting!? Then again, I agree that there seems to be an 'entitlement' generation that is overprotected and are surgically attached to their smart phone. I saw it at work, where young employees thought they should be in the corner office in 5 years, or they would take their ball and go play somewhere else. I see it in my neighborhood....where all the lawns are mostly mowed by a lawn service, or a very few old geezers like me. Never the teenage boys, and we have them all over the place. And don't even think about washing the car, pulling weeds...or any kind of physical labor. Sad, rant over. I have to say looking back, I proud to say I had BSA leadership that made me work hard to attain Eagle Scout. Those skills proved have proved invaluable over the years. Thank you Baden Powell.
 
Guys, just wanted to point out that when we were young, we didn't want our generation to be tarred with the same brush, did we? Just like us, the kids today are a mix of good and not so good, including a "silent majority" that is probably larger than we think and will carry the torch forward when we step aside. Instead of bemoaning the perceived state of things and focusing on negatives, we'll be better served by staying positive and recognizing how much good there is out there. It's apparent from the posts on here that there are Scout troops doing the right things to raise another generation of leaders, and some troops that need to change their focus. Always been that way, too.

Also, labeling such as that employed on talk radio and by blowhards on both sides does nothing to make things better. In fact, it drives us even further apart, which works perfectly into the hands of the evil that is behind it all. Just my opinion.
 
If there are any situations like the OP described above, like kids waiting in line with their hands out is just wrong.....but sounds like training them for our future society.

How are they going to learn unless they eat a hotdog, burger or the old 'foil wrap' with a little dirt mixed in? Hopefully they don't allow the handheld game stuff!
 
I am an eagle scout, got it when I was 17 in the mid 80's, I hear stories of kids getting it when they are 13 and 14 now, and that blows my mind. The entire point of scouting was to learn life lessons and skills and have fun while doing it, not be a giant race to get an award, and then get out. I think any kid who gets eagle before 16 probably completely missed the point. I dont have kids, but my nephew is in cub scouts now and the stories I hear of moms going camping with the kids and stuff like what is mentioned above, makes me think that Scouting has 'jumped the shark' so to speak.

When I was in, most of our leaders were active or ex-military or worked blue collar jobs (power company, phone company, construction,etc), they all had trucks or vans and one of them had a trailer, the stuff got trucked in to the camp, but we had to hike with our packs in and out to some degree, set up our own tents, cook our own food, etc. Most of the places had running water except when we went on 50+ mile hikes on the Appalachian Trail. It was an unwritten rule that there were no moms to be at any events, especially camping. In fact, it was discouraged so much that we (as scout peers) would shame the kid so bad that he handled it from his side.

But it's a completely different world today, kids are weak, parents are weak.
 
The troop my sons were in had camping every month except June, July, and August. The boys set up their own equipment and did most of their own cooking.
 
Our shooting club owns about 40 acres, not all of it suitable for ranges. The local Scout troop made a proposal to use a small corner of it for a camping area, since a couple of the Scout camps in the region had closed down. We were happy to welcome them. They cut down trees, dug stumps, leveled out a rocky, hilly area and they've been camping there year-round ever since. Most of them have gotten their target shooting Merit Badges through our club, and a few have grown up to become adult members. You couldn't ask for a more polite, hard-working bunch.
 
The troop I was in did lots of different types of campouts. Sometimes the Scoutmaster cooked, sometimes us Scouts did. I distinctly remember a crunchy white rice dinner that was aweful.
When training for Philmont we backpacked every month, when preparing for Boundary Waters, we canoed. Sometimes we had a chuckwagon, other times we didn't.
In the summer we went tubing.

My great grandfather, as a boy, was at Mafeking with Baden Powell and my dad was a Queen Scout in England and went to the World Jamboree.
 
Two questions for those bemoaning young folks today-what have YOU done to make this generation better besides talk about it? Each and every one of you have a wealth of knowledge to pass on, and I have never, ever seen a troop who would turn down help in any form.

Second, if the generations that follow us are worthless, don't we, their teachers, bear the majority of the blame?

In addition to Scouts, I also learned a lot from my dad, my grandfathers and their friends. I was always made to feel a welcome part of society. Yes, kids as a whole are babied by their parents, but I see a prevailing attitude of adults (and I've heard it here) that once one's kids are gone, there is a relief that that person never has to interact with another young person again. I do not understand this thinking.

To answer the OP's question, that's not how my son's troop worked just this past year. As someone said earlier, if the boys didn't do it, it didn't get done (cooking and camping-wise.

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