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Maybe I'm off base with this. We have camping areas around here and quite often there're Boy Scouts troops set up. The troop leaders and counselors would bring a trailer of gear and set up camp before the kids get there. They'd do all the cooking and food would be set up buffet style. There's treated water available but you have to work a manual pump to get it. So instead they have several containers of water. If there's hiking involved, The troop leaders'd pack up, drive to the next camp and set up. This goes on all summer with several different troops from different areas.
I just remember when I was in the Boy Scouts we'd carry our own gear, set up our own camp, cook our own meals and pump our own water. If there was hiking involved we'd pack up our tent and all of our gear, backpack our stuff to the next camp and set up there.
Is this modern scouting? or is it just unique to this area?
 
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This seems in step with our dependent society. As a country, we don't praise self-reliance or personal accomplishment anymore.

Camping as a scout was always meant to be a learning, bonding, physically challenging experience. Not the forest version of Club Med.

Do the BSofA now have a merit badge now for room service? This is disappointing.
 
That's not how they did it in the troop my son was in. The boys did all the planning and preparations under the watch of the adults. The boys were responsible for setting up their own tent and camp area. They were each assigned meals they were responsible for planning and preparing. Others were assigned clean-up duty. It sounds like your group's adult leadership is a little overbearing, overprotective, etc.
 
I was a Scout Master and / or Assistant Scout Master for 11 years. That problem is unique to your area and i'm sure many others. Most Scout Troops are not run like that.
The Troop is only as good as the leaders, and if they run it like that, they are missing to whole point of Scouting and short changing the scouts.
Scouting is designed to teach young boys and girls how to not only think for themselves, but to take charge and lead.
It's right in the leader training, however like any other organization, directions gets lost or misunderstood. That's a shame to hear that.
All that troop is doing is teaching them how to go modern day camping and rely on others to set it up. A hard lesson comes in the real world.
 
I recall in 1959 my scout troop hiked from one end of Philmont Scout Ranch to the other. We carried all our stuff on our backs, tents, sleeping bags, cooking gear and food for two to three days. We did this up and down the mountains and had the time of our lives. Every three days or so we would re-supply with food from trailside food lockers. We caught trout in the streams, cleaned and cooked them. I still have good memories of that two weeks in the mountains, over 50 years ago. I learned at lot.
 
I was a Scout Leader for 12 years (1988-2000) and unless there have been major changes I don't know about, that ain't how its supposed to work.
The Troop is divided into Patrols and each Patrol takes care of itself. The Patrol Leaders Coucil decides where we go and what we do there. The Patrols each set their own menu, bring their own food, do their own cooking, set up their own camp area and clean up after themselves.
The purpose of the adults is to teach, advise and keep 'em out of trouble.
Scouting is supposed to teach leadership, teamwork and self reliance.
These guys are doing it wrong. :(
 
I'll redact my original post. Let's just say I'm not proud of the BSA right now.
 
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Snubby, I think you might be off base on this. Appearances are not always what they seem, and what might look like a sorry excuse for a camping experience could very possibly be just the opposite.

I am an Eagle Scout and formerly an adult volunteer with a couple of different troops, and I'm aware that there are many different types of camping expeditions. Some are meant intentionally to "rough it," such as the Philmont Scout Ranch expeditions for backpacking in the wilderness, or many of the other challenging outdoor treks offered by the program. Others are weekend "camporees" or "jamborees" where Scouts practice their craft and learn skills in camping, cooking, knot-tying, and inter-troop competitions. These are probably the type of events people "expect" to see from Scouts.

Other expeditions, though, are designed to expose the boys to areas of historical or ecological interest, and not as a time for them to necessarily do their own cooking, or have planned hikes, and so forth. Carrying their own water to these might have been an intentional decision to keep the boys from potential gastric distress from water they're not accustomed to drinking. Having adults cook the meals is a way to free up time when the boys can be focused on the purpose of the outing, whatever and wherever off-site it might be. In those instances, having dads and other adults along to smooth the logistics is not only appropriate, it's helpful and contributes to the enjoyment and efficient use of time of everyone.

The important thing in any expedition is that the kids are with their troop; that they are enjoying the outdoors (as we used to say 2/3 of "scouting" is "outing", and that's a good percentage for how much time to be spent outside in troop activities), and making memories and learning values that will last them for many years. I'm tickled to hear that there are so many troops using the camps near you -- it tells me these are active units, with good leaders and involved adults and boys running their program and learning leadership. In this day and age, that's something to celebrate.

Scouting is still the finest program of its kind for American youth, in my opinion, and I for one am glad that the organization is making itself available to as many boys as possible. When I think that some kids, because of institutional policies, have in years past either not been able to enjoy and learn from a program that did so much for me and my friends, or have even been thrown out when they were "discovered", it's discouraging and even heartbreaking.

Scouting has changed as times have changed, usually lagging by a few years, but still catching up eventually. I think the program is doing fine, and is a national treasure.

God Bless the Boy Scouts of America.:)
 
I'll redact my original post. Let's just say I'm not proud of the BSA right now.

I didn't see your original post, but if you mean what I think you mean, then I couldn't agree with you more.
 
Thanks all for helping to clear that up a bit. I had hoped that this wasn't what scouting has come to.
Vigil617, this is a historic area with a history dating back to the days of George Washington. So it could very well be a weekend outing to a historic area. In fact my wife and I have once used George Washington's outhouse and we've seen his bathtub where he used to soak in the local mineral springs.
It is good to see that scouting is alive and well.
 
Snubby, I know what you are talking about. Before I bowed out of scouting I could see this type of behavior in several of the "BIG" troops. While I was scoutmaster, the boys did their own stuff. Troop camp outs etc. were guided in the way I wanted them to go where I could tell the boys to give me the paperwork on particularly the outdoor badges because they had completed the skills. The 8 boys that stayed with the program all made Eagle. The big troops seemed to be the ones that followed the throw money and we will get rid of your kids for the weekend. Our big money trips were wild tours of the Lost Sea (Tenn) and overnight stays on the USS Alabama (Mobile, Al) Cheapest were 50 mile Afoot/Afloat trips every 2 years.
There are still several of the old timey troops out there you just have to look for them.
Larry
 
I too am "old school" in that we did our own cooking, setting up and striking camp, planning the hikes. I staffed at one National Jamboree, have been to two of them and a World Jamboree and staffed at National Camp School so I know the way it is "suppose to be".

BUT...as posted earlier by Vigil617, not all camping is equal. In some cases, as pointed out the "mission" of the camping is to be near historical areas...camping allows cheap accommodations and the work during the camp might be history, astronomy, geology, environmental focused...

OR, there might be competitive cooking dads...to find out just ask "charcoal or gas" and step back.

Two other possibilities...the troop might have handicapped scouts or, maybe the good cooks left the program.

Eagle/70
 
Just another reflection of what our society has become. No different than every kid in school getting an "award", even if it was for just showing up most days. God forbid we actually EXPECT something from the kids. They have to have warm fuzzies 100% of the time or we're eeeeevil people!
 
As a former scout and scoutmaster I will say the "goal of camping" will change according to what the scouts will do once they arrive. To me it is "time management". The troop committee and scouts would plan on events and then we would see what we could could to maximize the scouts involvement in the event.
Boy Scouts teaches a lot and the key thing to allow these young men the opportunity to succeed or fail. That is a valuable life lesson that they will always remember.
 
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