Brad Pitt Goes to 'War' with S&W M1917

The references to Patton wearing non-issue items calls to mind; at the time Patton recieved his "Star", the U.S. Army allowed the new
General Officer to design "His" uniform.

General officers of always been allowed a fair amount of flexibility in uniforms and sidearms. Check out Custer when he was a brevet two star.
He's wearing what looks like a movie costume or something in the Opera.
Patton was of course famous for his pistols.
Eisenhower? Where do you think we got the Ike jacket?
I used to work for a two star who wore a custom-made blue jacket. He wore it at the office, and when we were flying around in the T-39.
When we got to say Andrews, he would switch to his blouse before we went over to the Pentagon.
Back then, general officers were authorized the purchase of a private sidearm.
When I asked him what did he got. He answered 'Smith & Wesson 357.'
 
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Patton's first custom General uniform was often derided as the "Green Hornet" outfit. Looked about as dumb as a former presidential candidate riding around with a helmet in a tank, or early football players with their leather helmets. He evidently got the message, and later began wearing more conventional uniforms. Still stuck to his .357 RM and his Colt Single Action Army, though.

Just looked at the trailer. Interesting that Brad Pitt's character has evidently chosen to pick up and use an MP44/StG44 - the first assault rifle, invented by the Germans. The first scene I noticed is where he is striding along, the gun on the opposite side, but the curved magazine is evident. Later scene shows it clearly as he's drawing a bead on something. One wonders if it's a rubber prop, the new German .22 version, or the real deal, which is almost untouchably expensive here in the U.S.

John
 
My Dad served in the 3rd Inf Div - the same outfit as Audi Murphy- as a machine gunner -Browning .30 tripod mounted- . One time I had a nice collection of Walther PP`s and PPk`s , when I showed them to him he snorted and called them "sissy guns"!!!
He said all he would bother to pick up were Lugers and P-38`s to sell to those "Air-Force Bums" for $50 bucks.
He carried a 1911 as a side arm. Luckily for him after the capture of Nuremberg -an officer saw him, just back in town fresh from the front, wearing his 1911 and said" hey you soldier get in line Here! Turns out they were forming up for the victory parade in the old Nazi Olympic stadium and needed one more man with a side arm to fill out the front row.My Dad is the first soldier on the right in the first row. He used to get a kick out of seeing himself in the war movies that showed the parade- there is also a famous shot of the Swastika being blown up that was at the same time. I sure do miss him he was a REAL MAN.
 
Tom Cruise is part of a cult but makes some good movies, being an actor. From what I hear of Brad Pitt, he has done some fine things for people not as well off as he is, in New Orleans and has recently started to help folks out in Montana, I think. He is a excellent actor as well and I look forward to seeing this one.

Reb

P.S. Huge fan of the 45ACP and the Minie Ball. Both big fat bullets going fairly slow and doing huge amounts of damage.
 
I'm sure Patton was sorely tempted to just shoot him and blame it on the Germans.

Yes, or at least punch him out!

Bill O'Reilly's book, "The Killing of Patton", will be out in early Sept. It's long been rumored that he died as a result of an assassination attempt, and by our side! Evidence has been mounting as 'old lips' loosen up. Many believe it is empirically clear. It'll be interesting to see how the book deals with it!
 
True story about my cousin in WWII
He was in New Guinea
He said the natives for good reason hated the Japs and the GIs would pay them for each pair of Jap ears they would bring to them
One day he said the natives told him they saw a Jap Officer come out of a cave he was hiding in
My cousin went with the natives to the cave and called for the Jap to come out with no response
So he tossed a grenade into the cave then waited and went in
He said the Jap officer was standing there with a pistol aimed at my cousins head but shot and missed
My cousin said he was pulling the trigger on his Thompson long after it was empty
He said he cut the Officer practically in half
He showed me a Jap flag he took off the officer
BUT then he showed me something I will never forget
He brought out a sword the Jap was wearing and right in the middle was a 45 slug half in and half out
 
Cruise wasn't in Saving Private Ryan...it was Tom Hanks who played the leading role. And Matt Damon was Ryan.

But I agree with you on what the film accomplished. It was, and remains, a landmark film. Along with Band of Brothers, the ten-part series on HBO, it's probably one of the most authentic portrayals of D-Day and its aftermath.

Those two films did for D-Day and WWII what Platoon and possibly even Full Metal Jacket did for the Vietnam war.

Agreed & I would add "We Were Soldiers" for Nam & "Midway" for WW2 sea battles.
P.S. Full Metal Jacket's portrayal of basic training strikes a bell with what I went thru...less the shooting by the recruit.
 
You can see the ball socket mount for the bow gun and the empty hole for the one alongside the 75mm.

The bow gun is pointed towards the camera, if you look close you can see the muzzle. This is a late war M4 with a longer 76mm high velocity gun, not a 75. The hole to the left of the barrel is for the gunners telescope, the coax is mounted on the other side. Pitt is in the TC hatch not the loader hatch and does have a field expedient .30 mounted in front of his hatch that he can use without having to exit the turret which a Sherman crewman had to do to engage ground targets with the .50.
 
A 2001 recollection from a tank crewman who served with a distant relative who was killed in action in WWII - it speaks for itself.

Yes! almost sixty years ago, young men like your "Judge" and I were on our way to becoming soldiers, members of a Tank Company that would eventually serve in Europe.
After completing our Basc training, where we learned to right face, left face, about face, together with proper Military etiquette, we began to become knowledgeable about the weapons we would be using if we ever went into combat.
In the fall of 1943, we left Camp Cambell and spent three months on Maneuvers in Tennessee. Following this the Armored Divisions were reorganized and Armored Regiments were broken up into
Tank Battalions and we became the 714th Tank Battalion and left the 12th Armored Division and went to Fort Jackson SC as a separate Tank Battalion.
After about three months we were recalled to the 12th at Camp Barkeley Texas to replace the 44th Tank Battalion which was sent to the Pacific.
So, we were once again members of the Hellcat Division and went to England, then to France and into Combat.
It's been over fifty five years now but those of us who were there will never forget those days in combat.
One of our first objectives was a town of Bettviller, France. I was the gunner in the Company Commander's tank and went with him, Capt. Charles Clayton, into a pillbox that was part of the French Maginot Line, to discuss, with the infantry their plans to scout out the town ahead.
They, the infantry, went into Bettviller and brought back one prisoner, a young German soldier who claimed that he was on his way back to his unit from a pass and had become lost.
The next day we took Bettviller without much resistance, however we began to receive heavy Artillery fire as well as mortar fire.
Ferrel was in a tank with Sargent White and Jones Woods, I do not recall at this time who the other members of the five man crew were.
You would have to realize that all of the country that we were passing through was well mapped by the Germans, who had occupied these areas for many years. They knew every cross road, every building, every landmark, and had them pinpointed to the foot.
It was Jones Woods, the bow gunner/assistant driver who came running to our tank to report to Capt Clayton that their tank had been hit by a mortar shell. The Germans apparently had this area so well covered that they were able to hit a rather small target, a tank, so effectively. As I remember, Jones Woods was the only survivor of that tank. These were the first combat casualties of Charlie Company.
I know that there is little that can be said to console for the loss of someone who is near and dear. It has been a long long time since those days of Combat in the early 1940s. When I think back to those days and remember the GREAT people I served with names like Ferrel Blackard, Neble Johnson, George Gray and Bob Blackham and, Oh so many others come to my mind, and I turn to God and offer my prayers of Thanksgiving to Him, for the Blessings that these people were as a part of my life.
John, I'm going to close now with this, My heart grows heavy when I think of the good men, some were only boys, who gave so much to preserve our way of life, Try to remember the songs, probably Hymns that Ferrel sang when he was home with the people he loved.
I look forward to the time when all good men, all good people, who believe in God, will be together in the home that He has promised us.
 
This entry brings back memories of my Dad. He was also in an Armored Division during WWII (drove a halftrack).
He also trained at Camp Campbell which in those days was an armor training base in addition to later becoming more associated with, and famous for, being the home of the 101st Airborne.
 
I don't know about the treads, but don't think WW II Shermans had muzzle brakes (not "breaks").

Something bothered me about that 75mm, and I think that's it.

The muzzle brakes were probably inspired by those on German tanks.

Some British-used Shermans had upgraded, more powerful guns. Don't know if they used brakes. Did the Soviet T-34?

There was a version of the Sherman that was designated the M4A3E2 Jumbo Sherman. It had a 76mm gun instead of the 75mm, and it had a muzzle brake on it. Some of these tanks were used during the Battle of the Bulge to free the town of Bastogne. I think about 100 of these tanks had armor added to them in the field and were called "Field Expedient Jumbos".

 
I am a fan of Pitt as an actor and for his charitable efforts. As for his political pronouncements, not so much.
I will be going to see this one for sure.
 
Does anyone else object to some of the tank crew looking so scruffy? One guy is even wearing a beard! How likely was that for real tankers then?

Hollywood is composed largely of men so far from real soldiers and even from traditional patriotic Americans that they have to scum up about every war film they make.
 
Does ol Brad shoot at Germans with his 1917? Easier to shoot blanks in a revolver than an auto. I recall one movie in which a jilted chick shot her unfaithful boyfriend repeatedly with a smallbore auto, racking the slide every pop.
 
Does anyone else object to some of the tank crew looking so scruffy? One guy is even wearing a beard! How likely was that for real tankers then?

Hollywood is composed largely of men so far from real soldiers and even from traditional patriotic Americans that they have to scum up about every war film they make.

Texas Star, there are many pictures of scruffy and bearded WWII G.I.s and Marines. When out on the "front" a lot of spit and polish was left behind.

Your second comment is pretty dead on. Most Hollywood types today wouldn't make a pimple on a real man's derriereer (sp).
 
Texas Star, there are many pictures of scruffy and bearded WWII G.I.s and Marines. When out on the "front" a lot of spit and polish was left behind.

Your second comment is pretty dead on. Most Hollywood types today wouldn't make a pimple on a real man's derriereer (sp).
I got a bunch of stores and threads to do about my buddy Milt.
In Korea, he was in command of the three man tech intell team who spent most of the time up on the frontlines.
It occasionally go to the rear to file reports and check on his messages.
He was back had a rear headquarters after a couple of weeks in the field where had no shave, no bath and very little to eat.
He was in the officers mess and he was starting to eat a big tray of food.
An officer who ranked him came up told him that he stank and ordered him to leave the mess.
Milt told that he needed to go back to his office and get the rest of his guys.
Cause he was going to need help to throw him out.
A General was coming by and asked what was going on.
This staff officer said he stinks but he won't leave the mess.
The general said you Do stink. Go sit over in the back of the mess.
Yes sir. Milt really didn't like rear area staff officers.
 
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Staff officer, staph infection.

Notice the similarities?

Didn't really change much in 22 years either, huh.....

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