Brands you would not buy again...

[Fishslayer]

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No hostility intended. Just wondered what brand he would not buy again. As the title States.

If ever a thread title screamed "do not click..."

After my P90DA I'll never buy another FEG unless it's just TOO smokin' a deal AND it comes with magazines. Nothing really WRONG with the gun except horrendous trigger, no parts, no support. Next time I get the itch I'll just buy a sho' nuff BHP.

FWIW all 4 of the 10rd Kalifornistan ProMag magazines I bought for it ran 100%.

 

[Maccabeus]

Diamondback. Am I the only one seduced by the DB9, who tried to have his cake and eat it, too? Major jam-o-matic. Sent it back twice. They claimed it worked fine and I needed a tighter grip. Maybe so, but I'm not carrying a pistol that requires a 100% perfect hold to fire properly. Odds are, nothing will be going perfectly if I ever needed it. Sold.

And, probably, Kel-Tec, too. Had a P3AT that jammed after the 5th round 90% of the time. Consistently after that fifth round. Seeing as how I could only count on 5 rounds, I eventually sold it and just bought a j-frame. Much happier!

Still, I had traded in a perfectly functional P-11 with night sights to get that glitchy .380. Some days I think I miss it.

 

[Rock185]

Para. Never Again!

 

[OLDSTER]

Kahr Tried two of them when they were being hyped. Not for me--mechanically "strange" for lack of a better word

 

[JSW]

Another vote for Taurus - I had a 38 revolver that was nothing but a pain in the ...

 

[Revolver-time]

kahr cw 45 not reliable at all

 

[tlawler]

What do you guys think of Kahr's PM series? I bought a PM45 for occasional carry about two weeks ago...before I read this thread. Been to the range twice with it and had no issues with FMJ ammo. Now that I'very read about the CW's, you've got me wondering.

 

[crazyphil]

I never owned a Taurus Semi-Auto but I have had quite a few students
with Taurus SAs and invariably they have some kind of problems.
I would not own one for that reason. On the other hand, I have had
Taurus revolvers with no issues. Model 94 is a nice little .22 revolver.
So is the Model 85 .38 Sp.

 

[gaf]

I have had very good results with the Kahr P series pistols in 9MM. The C series in the 9 have been reliable as well. The .40 pistols, not so much, primarily magazine failures but also a few extractor issues. It is a case similar to Glock's problem, building a .40 on a platform originally designed around the 9MM.
The .45 Kahrs are a larger frame and the P45 is a favorite of mine.

 

[.455Eley]

Definitely Taurus. My dad loves them and has several but after my experience I won't ever have another. I had one of their 1911s in 9mm, which I know can be difficult in general. After 3 trips back to the service center and about 500 rounds it never ran a single mag without malfunctions. Taurus, promag, mecgar, Colt none worked. It went away and I don't miss it.

 

[BARgunner]

Charter Arms. I had one of their 5 shot 38's in the mid 70's and it was nothing but trouble. Sold it and bought a S&W Model 36.

 

[indie_rocker]

I will never purchase an EAA product ever again. I owned a 10mm Witness Poly and suffered many headaches over FTF issues. It rarely made it through an entire magazine without locking up in some way. To make it worse, the factory reps seemed arrogant because I owned one of their base-line products.

I replaced it with a Glock 20SF. I am not a big fan of them (they are bulky, ugly, lack character etc.) but the Glock 20 will eat any 10mm ammo you throw at it and keep on chewing.

 

[mainegrw]

SCCY Industries - I will never buy another gun from them:

Once, I bought a CPX-2 for use as a carry gun. I really liked the price, and the warranty which states total gun replacement no questions asked, even if it was lost or stolen. The quality seemed pretty good, and my LGS who stocks them said they had heard generally positive things from everyone who had bought one. I took mine to the range and fired around 100 rounds through it, during which time the gun started to fall apart on me. I immediately boxed it back up, and right back to the LGS it went.

In comparison, the Kel Tec PF9, which the SCCY CPX-1 and CPX-2 borrow heavily from its design, is a much better firearm for about the same price. I would not hesitate to buy Kel Tec again, but SCCY, no thanks.

 

[fdw]

Micro Desert Eagle. First or second day out the trigger pin popped out making the gun inoperable.

Googled it and found a video of the same exact thing happening from a guy who was doing a utube video on his. The pin popped out as he was demonstrating the gun. Trigger inoperable.

 

[lrrifleman]

Mossberg

Ages ago, when I was a junior shooter, I had a Mossberg 144 that I used for smallbore rifle matches. One day, while practicing, the bolt handle let go and the bolt body slid back and fortunately destroyed my safety glasses, but my face and eye were saved. To this day I will never touch a Mossberg product.

 

[CajunBass]

About the only one I can think of that I might not buy again was a Hawes Western Marshall 22, (S/A Colt Copy). I had some kind of trouble with it, I forget what now, but the dealer took it back.

Then it was a 40-50 year old inexpensive in the first place gun, so I might not rule out another one if one turned up and the fancy struck me.

 

[mbliss57]

Glock. Not because they are poly. I have a few poly frame guns that are awesome shooters. Ruger SR9C is a tack driver and always goes boom. Thousands of rounds through it. .
Back to Glock... I cannot get them to fit my hands. I bought a 17,19 and 30. Tried to like them. Never a problem with performance. Just don't fit..even Gen 4 with alternate grips. I think it may be the grip angle. But I am done with Glock.

 

[Bozz10mm]

My first handgun was a Rohm Mod 63. A Western style, 8 shot, 22lr. Bought it new in about 1972. Actually, I don't regret the $39 I spent on it, and it shot just fine in single action mode, but wouldn't always fire a round when shooting double action. And the screw that holds the ejector rod shroud kept coming loose. You know what? I still have it. Haven't shot it in over 35 years. But, I don't think I'll be buying another Rohm.

 

[kraynky]

I started to pass over this thread because I couldn't think of any I wouldn't buy based on experience alone. I am surprised at all I'm reading about Kahr though. I've never owned one, but have considered them. I do have a Para P-14 Lightweight that I bought new about 1994-95, and it's been a great pistol. I had a Kel-Tec P11 that I never fell in love with, but it worked fine, My PMR 30 works fine too. In over 40 years of gun ownership I've only owned 2 new guns that gave me fits, a satin nickel Colt 1911 about 1980 and a Ruger MKII about 15 years ago. The Colt never did get to shooting right, after several trips back and forth to Colt. The Ruger was fixed for good after the second trip back.

I would still but a Colt (and have since) and I own several Rugers. So I guess my mindset is "Your going to get a bad one now and again of anything". I have only had one Glock (27) and it shot just fine, I just never "Fell in Love" with it. But I may try another one someday. There are however a few I won't buy based on reputation, such as Lorcin, Davis, Cobra and a few of those low end pot metal pistols. I'm sure there are some folks that love those guns. There are some guns I won't buy because I think they are overpriced. All in all, I'm just happy that we have so many to choose from out there.

 

[NJM15]

How aboout Hi point

I think all of us at one time has purchased a new handgun to find out it was not what you were expecting or just didn't work and you felt it wasn't reliable, etc. For me I would never buy a Para Ordnance (before it became Para USA) and Kel-tec again.

Now for some of you folks you probably like these 2 brands, but for me I had nothing but issues. Maybe I just got a lemon or 2.

I'd be curious to hear what you would not buy again.

Cheers!
CS45Fan

The first two I purchased a .9 and .40 had serious problems both back to the factory One squib had another round follow it and blew up luckily no injuries bulged barrel and the action was like a bus ran over it . that was the .40 the .9 less exciting, just cycling problems. But I have to say this, once they were returned they
worked flawlessly the little time I used them (gun shy maybe) no pun intended.

 

[pharmer]

I have had very few "lemons." The worst was not really a lemon but had a 30# trigger pull and "peening" wear after little shooting. It was a Hungarian R9, HiPower clone. Bought it from the "transit chest guy" at a gunshow 15 years ago for $200. Browning P35 mags fit but that's where similarity ended. Traded it for a 2" 10-5 and never looked back. Joe

 

[vytoland]

Brands you would not buy again = TOYOTA...........pulling into a parking space, car took off on it own, jumped the curb, ran through bushes and hit a tree,,,,,,,,,,,,,wife and i looked at each other and said...."what the hell was that"...........traded that sucker in and never looked back...............

 

[wbraswell]

I bought an Interarms Virginian Dragoon 44 mag once years ago. The routine on it was to fire six rounds and tighten up all of the screws. My brother borrowed it and I never asked him for it back.

A darn shame about those Virginian Dragoons, they were such nice looking guns. A friend of mine had one, and so did I. Both in .44 Mag. They shot good. They just needed finishing all the sharp edges, and some loctite.

 

[Colddeadhands61]

KAHR, I had a P40 covert. First time out the mag fell out when firing. Pins started backing out of the frame. I sent it back, (on my dime), mag and pin problems fixed. It would jam if I used factory extended mags. Fire first shot and jam on the second. No accuracy, at all. Couldn't group at 10 yards assuming I hit the target. IMHO, overpriced junk.

 

[Bosquebass]

A darn shame about those Virginian Dragoons, they were such nice looking guns. A friend of mine had one, and so did I. Both in .44 Mag. They shot good. They just needed finishing all the sharp edges, and some loctite.

Last summer a few of the guys in the neighborhood were gathered up telling fishing lies and the talk turned to guns, 44 mags in particular. My buddy pipes up and says that back in the 70's he had a great looking 44 that you could never keep the screws tight on and so he sold it. Said it had "We The People" on the butt and it was a Dragoon something or other. I told him not to feel bad, that at least he got some money for his.
I had to give mine away and didn't mind much seeing it go.

 

[glenwolde]

If I gave up on every brand that I ever had a problem with I would not own any of a dozen "major" brands.

 

[Ron M.]

A Brazilian .22 9 shot revolver...

Don't remember the brand, Century Arms was selling them for $129 in the 1990's...wanted a cheap to shoot wheel gun, so I got one through the LGS in Fremont CA. Cartridges wouldn't seat properly, causing cylinder hangups during target shooting...ya think someone forgot to check that the cylinders were properly reamed? Must have been a Friday afternoon...probably still have it somewhere...maybe a door stop.

 

[mainegrw]

I wanted to add one more brand to the list: Cimarron.

My first ever handgun was a Cimarron Plinkerton in .22LR. Not long after I purchased it, I found that the cylinder would not go into lockdown when the hammer dropped. In fact, it could freely rotate out of position with the hammer all the way down when fired. Thankfully, I never experienced anything more than a spattering of a small amount of lead on my hands, the couple of times I shot it before discovering the problem. Out of concern for safety, I called Chiappa, who handles their customer support and repairs, and requested that they look at it. I also requested that they fit a 22WMR cylinder to the gun while it was in for service. I was charged around $75 plus shipping to get the gun taken care of. When it came back, the new 22WMR cylinder was a good fit with good lockdown and timing, the 22LR cylinder was still able to free rotate when the hammer dropped. Quite frankly, I was a bit shocked that they shipped it back that way. In fact, I cannot recall if I even shot it at all after that, for fear of safety. I ended up trading it away as a 22 magnum only soon after for something better.

I know that the Plinkerton is one of Cimarron's low-end **** guns, and that they do make a lot of high quality SA revolvers that are fairly good. I have chosen not to buy from them again because of the demonstrated lack of care in the repair of my gun. I don't feel that I can trust them or their products because of this, as well as having an uncertainty of how far through the company and product lines this lack of care goes.

I will add that I have had my share of problems with several of the firearms I have owned, and generally my experience with customer service from the likes of Smith and Wesson, Beretta, Ruger, Colt, and even Taurus, has been positive. Usually, but not always, it takes more than a malfunction to turn me off from a specific brand or a specific gun.

 

[BearBio]

Based on experience: Hornaday. Especially the Lok-n-load press. Biggest *** and worst CS I've ever seen.

 

[7tenz]

Anything from a company taken over by Freedom Group. Modern Sigs, Remington, Marlin, Kimber, what else?

I have a Kimber in 10mm that has been great and I stood up for them in forums when people would bad-mouth them, until a dealer showed me his collection from the case and I was shocked. Every one had rust on the barrel hood.