Bubba guns, Show Your Homemade Or Modified

Really?

I copied that over from Wiki because it was quick and direct. Well maybe you'll understand this better! And Yes a person can legally own a SBR or machine gun in many States provided it is PROPERLY registered.

CHAPTER 2. WHAT ARE “FIREARMS” UNDER THE NFA?
Section 2.1 Types of NFA firearms
The NFA defines the specific types of firearms subject to the provisions of the Act. These definitions
describe the function, design, configuration and/or dimensions that weapons must have to be NFA
firearms. In addition to describing the weapon, some definitions (machinegun, rifle, shotgun, any other
weapon) state that the firearm described also includes a weapon that can be readily restored to fire. A
firearm that can be readily restored to fire is a firearm that in its present condition is incapable of
expelling a projectile by the action of an explosive (or, in the case of a machinegun, will not in its
present condition shoot automatically) but which can be restored to a functional condition by the
replacement of missing or defective component parts. Please be aware that case law is not specific but
courts have held that the “readily restorable” test is satisfied where a firearm can be made capable of
renewed automatic operation, even if it requires some degree of skill and the use of tools and parts.
2.1.1 Shotgun A shotgun is a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder and designed to use the
energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of
projectiles or a single projectile for each pull of the trigger.10 A shotgun subject to the NFA has a barrel
or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
| 15 inches _ |They show an example here but the picture didn't copy.
The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to
the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device. Permanent methods of
attachment include full-fusion gas or electric steel-seam welding, high-temperature (1100°F) silver
soldering, or blind pinning with the pin head welded over. Barrels are measured by inserting a dowel rod
into the barrel until the rod stops against the bolt or breech-face. The rod is then marked at the
furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device, withdrawn from the barrel, and
measured.
10 26

I'd recommend you contact any BATF office if you still don't agree that this is the law.

Oh and as far as "bubbad" firearms go I disassembled an L.C. Smith Shotgun I'd acquired with some other guns several years back. It was in perfect operating condition but the barrels had been cut to 17 3/4" inch by someone who apparently couldn't measure. I sold off the usable parts and destroyed what was left of the barrels.
 
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I'm done posting the facts and trying to explain. You of course are entitled to believe whatever you want. I honestly hope you don't get caught with that shotgun in your possession as it is definitely an unregistered and illegal firearm. I wish you good luck!
 
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I'm done posting the facts and trying to explain. You of course are entitled to believe whatever you want. I honestly hope you don't get caught with that shotgun in your possession as it is definitely an unregistered and illegal firearm. I wish you good luck!

He never said it wasn't a proper NFA firearm. You did. He's playing you. Clearly, he has taken the steps necessary to legally possess this firearm. Because if he hasn't . . .
 
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I'm thinking maybe nedroe mis-read the "bubba" part of the thread header ! ?
I don't see anything resembling a bubba gun in his lot of fine looking mods. :D
 
Really?
Oh and as far as "bubbad" firearms go I disassembled an L.C. Smith Shotgun I'd acquired with some other guns several years back. It was in perfect operating condition but the barrels had been cut to 17 3/4" inch by someone who apparently couldn't measure. I sold off the usable parts and destroyed what was left of the barrels.

You should have had the barrels threaded then soldered extended choke tubes into them. Would have made a great grouse gun...
 
He never said it wasn't a proper NFA firearm. You did. He's playing you. Clearly, he has taken the steps necessary to legally possess this firearm. Because if he hasn't . . .

If you go back to my original post all I did was caution him about "sawed off shotguns". It was my attempt to point out a problem to someone I don't know nor did I know his understanding of the law.
In retrospect Muss I guess you're right and I've been "played". In the future I'll think twice before I try and give some one an honest warning.
Jim
 
I'm done posting the facts and trying to explain. Please take whatever you think somewhere else. I honestly hope you don't get caught with that shotgun in your possession as it is definitely an unregistered and illegal firearm. I wish you good luck!!
Jim,
I can assure you that what you that what you have cut from other forums and pasted here are not complete FACTs. At least not in the manner that you have presented them.

If you re-read Post #11, I clearly tell you that "This is a 100% legal, Title II firearm under the National Firearms Act of 1929 as amended in 1934"

Do you think I am intentionally lying to you and my Fellow Forum Members? What would I gain by doing that?

Who do you think is going to catch me?

Why do you insist on telling me that this is not a Legal Firearm?

When it comes to FEDERAL Laws regarding "ARMS" there is very little that can not be possed by a Law Abiding American Citizen.

The only person that may have "Played" you is yourself
 
Now back to BUBBAing things up for yourself.

While not a Firearm, this is the first suppressor I ever designed

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It is longer than it needs to be for a handgun. That is because at the time I wanted it to have enough volume and cooling for use on a Sub-Machine Gun.

I have altered the internals three times getting it quieter with each revision

To this day I have still never had the bare metal finished. I think it looks good that way on the nickel plated Walther PPK/s
 
Jim,
I can assure you that what you that what you have cut from other forums and pasted here are not complete FACTs. At least not in the manner that you have presented them.

If you re-read Post #11, I clearly tell you that "This is a 100% legal, Title II firearm under the National Firearms Act of 1929 as amended in 1934"

Do you think I am intentionally lying to you and my Fellow Forum Members? What would I gain by doing that?

Who do you think is going to catch me?

Why do you insist on telling me that this is not a Legal Firearm?

When it comes to FEDERAL Laws regarding "ARMS" there is very little that can not be possed by a Law Abiding American Citizen.

The only person that may have "Played" you is yourself
And this is why forum members shouldn't try to police other peoples posts. Nice project guns colt_saa.
 
Jim,
I can assure you that what you that what you have cut from other forums and pasted here are not complete FACTs. At least not in the manner that you have presented them.

If you re-read Post #11, I clearly tell you that "This is a 100% legal, Title II firearm under the National Firearms Act of 1929 as amended in 1934"

Do you think I am intentionally lying to you and my Fellow Forum Members? What would I gain by doing that?

Who do you think is going to catch me?

Why do you insist on telling me that this is not a Legal Firearm?

When it comes to FEDERAL Laws regarding "ARMS" there is very little that can not be possed by a Law Abiding American Citizen.

The only person that may have "Played" you is yourself

Your statement regarding legality is misleading to say the least. I just warned you of the consequences if it wasn't registered. I guess Ill have to re-post the complete BATF set of regulations in the future to make sure everything is clear.
And why do you insist that I'm wrong in stating that if it isn't registered it's illegal to possess.? I personally own multiple NFA firearms and I'm WELL aware of the legality issues. I, and I guess shouldn't have bothered, was just trying to warn you of the consequences of possessing an unregistered NFA firearm IF THAT WAS THE CASE. I'll think twice before I do this in the future.
To whoever suggested lengthening the barrels on the L C Smith. I had checked on doing just that at it wasn't worth the expense.
 
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I would not want that sawed off in my pocession without a tax stamp, for the gun

I had a atf agent pull out a tape one day on a 16 inch marlin mounty, I told him it was at 16 and 1/8 inch but he went to his car and brought in a tape measure to check,

You can buy a new pederosi.howda in 45lc/410
Legaly, but if you are caught in pocession of an unregistered old iticha auto/burglar in 410, it's federal time
 
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Your statement regarding legality is misleading to say the least. I just warned you of the consequences if it wasn't registered. I guess Ill have to re-post the complete BATF set of regulations in the future to make sure everything is clear.
And why do you insist that I'm wrong in stating that if it isn't registered it's illegal to possess.? I personally own multiple NFA firearms and I'm WELL aware of the legality issues. I, and I guess shouldn't have bothered, was just trying to warn you of the consequences of possessing an unregistered NFA firearm IF THAT WAS THE CASE. I'll think twice before I do this in the future.
To whoever suggested lengthening the barrels on the L C Smith. I had checked on doing just that at it wasn't worth the expense.
Jim,
It is not misleading in the least, it is 100% factual.

On the other hand, you NEVER made the statement that "if it isn't registered it's illegal to possess" in any of your posts, you simply proclaimed MY firearm as UNREGISTERED and therefore ILLEGAL (more than once). Go re-read your own posts if you doubt me

If your goal was truly a "Friendly Warning", you would have done it as a PM.

You chose to Grand Stand instead

BTW if you want to appear more credible on the facts, the next time at least get the Agency's name correct. It was changed many years ago
 
One or two people have continued to assume that colt_saa's coach gun is unregistered. Myself, I never did, because he posted a picture of his rather short-barreled shotgun in public. I don't reckon most folk ON THIS BOARD would do that if it weren't registered. Later, he posted the following.

Jim,
The barrels of the Coach Gun are 11" and it is chambered for 12 Gauge 3" shells

There is no such thing as a "sawed off shotgun per BATF regulations".

This is a 100% legal, Title II firearm under the National Firearms Act of 1929 as amended in 1934.

Federal Law refers to this firearm as a Short Barreled Shotgun.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm having trouble understanding how that gun would be 100% legal if it weren't registered.

No radical assumptions here, at least on the part of those understood from the very beginning that the gun was registered. Colt_saa told me so, and that was good enough for me.

P.S. Pardon my ignorance, but is that a $5 device or a $200 device?
 
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One or two people have continued to assume that colt_saa's coach gun is unregistered. Myself, I never did, because he posted a picture of his rather short-barreled shotgun in public. I don't reckon most folk ON THIS BOARD would do that if it weren't registered. Later, he posted the following.



Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm having trouble understanding how that gun would be 100% legal if it weren't registered.

No radical assumptions here, at least on the part of those understood from the very beginning that the gun was registered. Colt_saa told me so, and that was good enough for me.

P.S. Pardon my ignorance, but is that a $5 device or a $200 device?
Model520Fan,
Thank You

There are actually Three different FEDERAL taxes when discussing Title II firearms A "Making Tax" and a "Transfer Tax" that are not always the same for a particular firearm. These are paid for on Federal Form 5320.1 and 5320.4 respectively. These are commonly referred to simply as Form 1 or Form 4.

The Third possibility is a Special Occupational Taxpayer or SOT. This is an annual fee mostly geared to manufacturers and dealers. The making of a Title II firearm is tax free for an SOT though it is reported on Federal Form 5320.2 as you probably guessed this is more commonly called a Form 2

Since my Title II Coach Gun started life with a full shoulder stock, the National Firearms Act defines it as a Short Barreled Shotgun which is often abbreviated SBS. In regards to an SBS, both the Making Tax and Transfer Tax are $200

If you built one from scratch that had a pistol grip stock as opposed to the shoulder stock, the Making Tax would remain at $200 (it is $200 for any device) however the firearm is now defined as a Smooth Bore Pistol and falls under the Title II category of "Any Other Weapon" which is often abbreviated as AOW. Any subsequent sales of the firearm would incur the Transfer Tax for an AOW, only $5

There are other idiosyncrasies in the law, after all it was written almost 90 years ago and ruled on incorrectly when the Defendant (Miller) failed to appear before SCOTUS in United States v. Miller back in 1939
 
Clang,
Tell us some more about the origin of that 5" slide and barrel you used.

I love the look and feel of the 5" and 6" double stack Smith and Wessons

I have a Performance Center Tactical .40 with a 5" slide and I liked it so much I always wanted a 5" 9mm too. A fellow forum member had a few 5" slides that he sold right here on this forum 10-15 years ago. He had 4 or 5 of them and they weren't exactly inexpensive, but being so rare I jumped on one. I believe they were overruns from S&W for the Super 9 or something similar, but I don't know for sure.

Here is the gun I was trying to make a 9mm version of:
S_W_PC_Tactical_40_A.jpg

The .40 has a Briley bushing and some cosmetic differences, but close enough
 
I have shown this old war horse many times, but it is a really good example of "Bubba". Model 12 military riot gun with all the military proofs and marks. The only changes from original are a Weaver choke, beavertail forearm, checkered stock, pistol grip cap and rubber butt pad. Other than that it's completely original. I got this as is at Montgomery Wards in 1954 for $55.00. Left original it would be quite a prize now, but I wouldn't have had the pleasure of using it all these years.

For any interested it has a legal 20" barrel. :)

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For any military collectors I also have a 1937 K98 Mauser bring back that is equally chopped up. It has all the waffenampts and proper proofs and pipe wrench marks on the barrel. :(
 
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