BUDDY OF MINE SAYS MP SPORTER II AND SMITH & WESSON IS LOW QUALITY

[gman51]

I agree on the GP100 totally. I have it in 22 and 357. Also some other revolvers dating back to 1976. Outstanding firearms and service. That CS group goes above and beyond for the most minor of issues.

But my SR45 made "junk" the highest compliment it could be offered. Four times back to the factory, new mags, slide, barrel, everything but the frame replaced, and it still could not crawl up to deserving "junk". I sold it to a guy for spare parts.

I am guessing you had a problem with limp wristing your SR. Just kidding so don't shoot me.
I know some guys that have an SR 45 and shoot them every weekend with no problems what so ever. Many claim theirs to be tack drivers. You definitely got a lemon and sorry to hear that. IMO that is not the average SR quality. I have heard of people that had problem guns and Ruger replaced the gun with another new gun.

 

[hoc9sw]

I am guessing you had a problem with limp wristing your SR. Just kidding so don't shoot me.
I know some guys that have an SR 45 and shoot them every weekend with no problems what so ever. Many claim theirs to be tack drivers. You definitely got a lemon and sorry to hear that. IMO that is not the average SR quality.

No, won't shoot you. It would ruin both our days
I bought the SR45 because a friend had one, and in a dozen trips to the range, I could draw pictures and sign my name with it. I finally bought one, and yes, it was the lemon of the year, but they refused to replace it. even after four trips back.

I had a revolver issue, and they replaced it on the first trip back even though I was only asking about a cylinder fit.

So I blame it on the people / process.

 

[sgtsandman]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but unless he's shelling out the money to buy you what he prefers, his opinion doesn't count for much. As long as it stays a one time comment, let it go. If he keeps bringing it up every chance he gets, you might want to refer him to my first statement. Assuming you wish to still stay friends.

 

[otisrush]

Hi, I have a friend who says Smith and Wesson in general makes very poor quality firearms and they are junk. He said my newly purchased Sporter II is garbage.

Well - as others have already stated - obviously your friend is entitled to his opinion.

My take is the "proof" is rooted in what the gun can do. This was done by my Sport I. Reloads with match grade bullets.

No, it won't win me any competitions. But basically a 1 MOA gun at the price of a Sport? I'm not going to complain about that!

OR

 

[Usrdk]

People and their opinions cause me to pause so often. That's putting it nicely. I'm what you'd call an ol fart and have owned many many different firearms over the years. Some were keepers and some were not. My acid test is shooting and using them. And I mean hundreds if not thousands of rounds. And after shooting any of my weapons when I break em down for cleaning I carefully examine for anything unusual going on. Any one labeling a particular brand as junk, especially brands that have been around quite awhile, needs to be specific and offer tested proof or I don't give them the time of day. S&W. can't say anything about the AR type rifles but my wife's and I latest purchase, a year ago, were Shields. Hers a 9 mine a 40. They've both had approx 500 to 700 rounds fired and not a hiccup. Many different brands and types of ammo shot. Ruger. I have a SR 1911 i have shot probably 2000 rounds thru again without a hiccup. I label em as keepers.


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[fyimo]

I really don't think the S&W AR Sport I or II are junk because they come with a lifetime warranty. My M&P Sport II shoots any ammo I feed it without a failure to feed or jam. It's also what I call accurate with under 2 MOA at 100 yards and with some ammo its even better then that.

 

[glenwolde]

You can't really judge today's production guns by the ones they made 30 or 40 years ago. Go compare a new one to your old one.

 

[WVSig]

The Sport II is not junk by any means. It is a decently built entry level mass produced M4 style AR15 that was designed, built and sold to meet a price point which is currently under $500.

If you dig down into the specs of the rifle you see that they made choices that would allow them to produce the rifle at a low cost. They are leveraging economy of scale at a level few others can. They then sell it through the dealer channel and there are enough sheckles left for the LGS or other retailer to make a little.

It is not high end rifle and should not be look upon as one or judged as one. It simply is what it is. "For the money" it is high quality but I personally think the stock, unshielded handguards & grip are all bin fodder. They are basic but and can get the job done but I would not keep them. They are not poorly made they are just low end and wish they put a few $$$ more into the rifle and upgraded them but then it would not be a $500 rifle.

I am not a fan of the 1/9 twist and prefer a full auto BCG but the barrel and the BCG in the Sport II work and again are not low quality but they are used in order to cut costs not make the gun better. I will now dawn my S&W approved flame resistant suit!

If I was in the market for a truck gun the Sport II at $500 out the door would be high on my list.

 

[KSDeputy]

I always buy Colt AR's. The latest is a model LE 6940. I own S&W handguns, but never a rifle.

 

[comtedeloach]

Hi, I have a friend who says Smith and Wesson in general makes very poor quality firearms and they are junk. He said my newly purchased Sporter II is garbage.



I have Tier1 AR15's and while the SPORT II is entry level, I find it to be a very well made rifle. I also have the Shield in both 9mm and .45 and they have never jammed or failed.



The only manufacturers I know to produce substandard are Taurus, Ruger, Century, and Hi Point Aside from that I think Smith and Wesson makes fine products



Can anybody send me a link that shows the most reliable gun manufacturers?

Ruger does NOT produce substandard firearms. Get that out of your head now.



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[msjdgman]

I agree that the Sport/Sport II is simply an entry level AR. But there are lots of folks like me that wanted just that...a low cost entry level model. I have had my Sport for nearly 2 years now and have a whopping 20 rounds thru it. I bought a Sport II just about a year ago simply because I could at a very very good price. Round count thru the Sport II is exactly 0. Some of us truly don't plan to shoot them much, and simply didn't want to break the bank in owning an AR. YMMV

 

[gen3guy]

You have the same problem your "buddy" does. You're lumping Ruger into the same category as Hi Point. I'd say you guys need to get out a little more.

 

[C J]

I'm going a little further than the other posts and saying that there are lots of good firearms and some from the so called inferior gun makers. Take my Taurus PT-145. It did end up being subject to a recall but before that I carried mine as a CCW for years. I've run 5000-6000 rounds through it without one single hiccup. I did have one bad cartridge but it fired on the second strike, which is something that pistol allows for. Not only that but the thing is stupid accurate. My friend told me one day he was going to put me to the test and see just how good I was with a pistol. He sat up 3 empty .45 shell cases with 2 at 20 yards and the other at 25 yards. I nailed both of the the 20 yard targets. I mean there was no trace of those cases after I shot them. I did miss the 25 yard target but only by about half an inch. My friend never asked me to prove my ability again.

That pistol shoots extremely accurate. It also has outstanding features like the ability to hold 10+1 rounds of .45 ACP in a pistol that is smaller than a lot of single stack pistols. It's only 1.25" thick at the thickest point which is the grip.. It's light for what it is and again, it's dead reliable.

I did stop carrying it because of the recall. Apparently they can fire if dropped even if the safety is on. But I dropped mine a couple of times on concrete and it never fired. I have that pistol in arms reach where I sit and also where I sleep. I could sell it back to Taurus for almost what I paid for it. Or they could replace it with another pistol since there is no fix for the problem. But I'm not letting go of this pistol. It works too well. It's almost a perfect CCW weapon IMO. I did go with a lighter carry pistol which again is a Taurus, a G2 9mm.

No doubt they have made some junk. So has S&W although less so. all companies put out a bad design from time to time. Taurus has put out too many and they earned a bad reputation. But they are NOT all bad. Not by a mile. Both the ones I have are excellent. I carry them both over my Sig P220 that I used to carry. The weight and the capacity is better although nothing shoots better than that P220. But I've put 15,000 rounds through that pistol too. I did replace the recoil spring but it's due for major repairs IMO.

And like others here I will say that Ruger makes some excellent firearms. The Single Six for example is a classic. The MkII pistol is a gem. Some of their stuff I'm not crazy about. I don't think they make the best .22 on the planet like some will say. That's just silly given names like Anschutz and Sako. But they do make quite a few excellent guns. I've been looking for a 10" barrel MkII for decades. That's the most accurate .22 pistol I've ever shot.

I've heard stories about S&W and their quality. But I've never seen one of their bad product unless maybe it was the Bodyguard revolver. They make good stuff for the most part. And that certainly includes my Sport.

 

[C J]

"For the money" it is high quality but I personally think the stock, unshielded handguards & grip are all bin fodder.

Those are the things I replaced on my Sport. Didn't cost much. My Sport is reliable and accurate. What else is there? TRust me I've seen other AR's in the same price range that were basically junk. I love my Sport including the 1:9 twist barrel (doesn't affect the accuracy of mine - maybe it would be better as a 1:8 but maybe doesn't get it IMO. Mine is a great rifle for any price. There are certainly models that are built better. But mine works and it's accurate. That's the bottom line.

 

[Wee Hooker]

Do yourself a favor and find a new buddy to take firearms advice from. Maybe one who actually learned something about guns firsthand through years of actual ownership experience.

Of course the thousands of members here, could all just be misinformed junk worshipers with less knowledge than your friend.

 

[marathonrunner]

What's your buddy's firearm of choice?

He thinks the M1A Springfield Non USGI parts and his Century C39V2(bolts on those tend to mushroom after 500 rounds) is the real deal.

I am not a fan of the M1A because it uses cast investment parts and the wood stock I find is too fragile to be a battle rifle. His Century has a milled receiver but everything else about that gun sucks. And he thinks the M1 Garand would also be another favorote

 

[marathonrunner]

Well - as others have already stated - obviously your friend is entitled to his opinion.

My take is the "proof" is rooted in what the gun can do. This was done by my Sport I. Reloads with match grade bullets.

No, it won't win me any competitions. But basically a 1 MOA gun at the price of a Sport? I'm not going to complain about that!

OR

When I pick up my Sport II in a few days, I am contemplating on buying a Gisslie trigger G2S in there, but now I am turning an entry level rifle into something more. I already bought a pretty pricey Magpul butt stock, what I am afraid is once i add up all the toys and bells and whistles, I could have bought a Daniel Defense...lol

 

[cyphertext]

When I pick up my Sport II in a few days, I am contemplating on buying a Gisslie trigger G2S in there, but now I am turning an entry level rifle into something more. I already bought a pretty pricey Magpul butt stock, what I am afraid is once i add up all the toys and bells and whistles, I could have bought a Daniel Defense...lol

I wouldn't add a thing to your Sport... don't want you to end up afraid to shoot it too!

 

[Welder1]

He thinks the M1A Springfield Non USGI parts and his Century C39V2(bolts on those tend to mushroom after 500 rounds) is the real deal.

I am not a fan of the M1A because it uses cast investment parts and the wood stock I find is too fragile to be a battle rifle. His Century has a milled receiver but everything else about that gun sucks. And he thinks the M1 Garand would also be another favorote

I typically don't offer my opinion on the "what's better" arguments but I don't think you can compare a modern AR of any manufacturer to M1 Garand. Maybe I am misunderstanding? Maybe I am bit sensitive when it comes to the Garand.

 

[TX-Dennis]

We all like different firearms, but calling a gun junk just because you don't like it is petty and childish.

I don't like Glocks, but they are certainly not junk. I don't like Springfield's xD series pistols, but they are not junk. I think Walther's polymer pistols are ugly as sin, and I would never buy one, but they are not junk. I could go on citing examples for hours, but I digress.