Buffalo Bore Ammo

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Good ammo. Hot ammo. Good, hot amo.
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Their attraction for me, is that they make combinations of stuff at higher than typical performance levels, with other than typical types and weights of bullets.
 
In my old flat latch Md 37 snubby I carry the BB 158 gr SWCHP-GC standard pressure load. It shoots exactly to point of aim at 7 yds and is very low muzzle flash. Good stuff !
 
I especially like their "Lower Recoil" 255gr. Keith .44 magnum loading. "Lower recoil" is a relative term, and it's pretty snappy, but it shoots exceedingly well in my Mountain Guns. I like their heavy .45 Colts in my Ruger Bisley Blackhawk.
 
I've only bought one box of Buffalo Bore ammo. It was the .380 +P 90 gr. Gold Dot JHP offering. Many of the cartridges had their noses/hollow points smashed badly out of round. That was pretty mangled looking stuff and at a dollar a shot they were too cheap to load the stuff in nickled brass. Buffalo bore isn't the only reason, but I'm tired of ammo makers and their jacked up products and prices. When my factory ammo is gone I will use handloads exclusively. I do think Buffalo Bore makes a good product and I'm the exception to the rule. I also appreciate the niche loads that they are offering and the fact that they aren't a stodgy company that offers weak watered down ammo. Unfortunately, I've just had one too many bad experiences with the current state of the ammunition industry and they were a part of it.
 
I use Buffalo Bore 158gr lswchp std pressue in my carry guns. It is made to have good expantion from a 2" barrel. I have been very happy with this ammunition.
 
Originally posted by jimmyj:
Could someone tell me about Buffalo Bore ammo?
Thank you,
Jimmy
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Be glad to.

I've used several boxes of Buffalo Bore in several different calibers. It's clean, it's accurate, it performs as well or better than anything else I've used. Kinda pricey, but it's the best. It's what I load in my home defense guns.
 
Don't they have TWO levels of Plus P .38 lead SWCHP? One hotter, with a gas check?

That hotter load might be a good combat round for K-frame .357's, which many don't want to fire many full magnum loads in.

How steep are their prices? I'm certainly not Bill Gates, but I'll pay a little more to get loads like those above, if they really are good.

T-Star
 
T/S,
Their 158 LSWCHP/GC in both standard pressure and +P runs the same bullet. It's VERY soft with a VERY deep hollow cavity, and the gas check. Their +P chrono's at 1000 (honest) FPS from a 2" barrel. I've not had any of their standard pressure 158 stuff through the traps? Their 150 grain hard cast full wad standard pressure actually beat velocity claimed out of my gun (342PD) and had really tight S/D's. Anymore I'm surprised when I'm NOT paying $1-$1.25 a round for decent carry loads?
 
Good stuff.
Believe it or not, they have a respectable .32ACP +P load that I carry in a Beretta Tomcat (Tertiary weapon). Great penetration with a hardcast flat nose bullet.
I've shot their 10MM ammo but prefer DoubleTap Ammo for that, they specialize in 10MM.
I have also shot their heavy .45 Colt; HOT stuff!
Try it, I'm sure you'll like it.

Regards,
Arkdweller
 
All of their loads are within SAAMI specs, so I don't think the term "hot" is really correct. They achieve the velocities they get, by using non-canister powders that we can't get our hands on. Plus Tim Sundles, the owner shoots his ammo across chronographs, from real guns from his own collection to verify that they are doing what they claim in their ads, and with the barrel length stated.
 
I just received some of the BB Standard Pressure 158 gr. LSWC and shot it for the first time today. I was quite impressed and found that it was quite hot. Compared to the Speer Short Barrel 135 +P, it actually seemed "hotter". I shot some Remington 158 LSWC +P right after and it was difficult to tell the difference. Very impressive.
 
Buffalo Bore is in all 4 of my J Frames
and in my Ruger SS 2 & 3/4 inch Speed Six.
49 & 442: Standard Pressure 158's.
640 (38): First 2 Standard Pressure 158's
next 3 are 158 +P's. Allows me to
get the first 2 off very fast
and warms me up for the last 3.
340 PD: 125 +P's.
Speed Six: 158 +P's.
 
Originally posted by jsd30:
In my old flat latch Md 37 snubby I carry the BB 158 gr SWCHP-GC standard pressure load. It shoots exactly to point of aim at 7 yds and is very low muzzle flash. Good stuff !
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<span class="ev_code_BLUE">That's the load I carry also. I'm EXTREMELY PLEASED with it's performance. My 686 is loaded w/the +P version which is accurate as all get out!</span>
 
Originally posted by Gun 4 Fun:
All of their loads are within SAAMI specs, so I don't think the term "hot" is really correct.
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You can call it whatever you want. The standard pressure loads they offer have MUCH more recoil than any other standard pressure load out there. It's physics, fps and bullet weight. Doesn't have anything to do with pressure.

I'm making such a fuss over the matter because many will buy the standard pressure load thinking the recoil will be less and it isn't.

I will say again, the standard pressure loads are very good ammo and I have bought much of it myself but it has all the recoil of a +P load.
 
I read on the internet - so it must be true - that the Buffalo Bore ammo is actually too hot for the ultra lightweight KelTecs; that the punishment the rounds deliver the little pistols will cause them to self-destruct. When I read that, I swapped the BB I had in my KelTec P3AT for Double Tap.
 
Originally posted by Photoman44:
Originally posted by Gun 4 Fun:
All of their loads are within SAAMI specs, so I don't think the term "hot" is really correct.
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You can call it whatever you want. The standard pressure loads they offer have MUCH more recoil than any other standard pressure load out there. It's physics, fps and bullet weight. Doesn't have anything to do with pressure.

I'm making such a fuss over the matter because many will buy the standard pressure load thinking the recoil will be less and it isn't.

I will say again, the standard pressure loads are very good ammo and I have bought much of it myself but it has all the recoil of a +P load.
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I'm not sure why you felt the need to single out my post, unless it's because we have disagreed in the past, but that's OK. The term "hot" is not factual or accurate. Their loads are as I stated previously, within SAAMI spec., and therefore not any hotter than any other SAAMI spec load. If anyone who buys their ammo would simply read their web site, they won't think that their stuff will recoil less, standard pressure or not. Their standard pressure loads are listed as "Standard pressure heavy", so it pretty much speaks for itself as to what a person can expect. They are "heavy" loads, and produce higher velocity due to the powders that they use, but still within standard pressures. Obviously they will have more recoil than a standard pressure, standard load (more commonly known as Win, Rem, etc.) because they produce more velocity which translates into more recoil. Simple.
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Originally posted by Gun 4 Fun:
I'm not sure why you felt the need to single out my post, unless it's because we have disagreed in the past, but that's OK. The term "hot" is not factual or accurate. Their loads are as I stated previously, within SAAMI spec., and therefore not any hotter than any other SAAMI spec load. If anyone who buys their ammo would simply read their web site, they won't think that their stuff will recoil less, standard pressure or not. Their standard pressure loads are listed as "Standard pressure heavy", so it pretty much speaks for itself as to what a person can expect. They are "heavy" loads, and produce higher velocity due to the powders that they use, but still within standard pressures. Obviously they will have more recoil than a standard pressure, standard load (more commonly known as Win, Rem, etc.) because they produce more velocity which translates into more recoil. Simple.
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I forgot about our past disagreement. I just wanted to warn people that the recoil would not be the same as other standard pressure loads. That's what I mean when I say their ammo is "hot". I wont use that term in the future as it seems to be confusing to some.

Regarding the pressure issue, I wish Buffalo Bore would join SAAMI and put an end to all the debate over the issue of whether or not their ammo is within SAAMI spec.
 
Photoman,
I lifted this from the ne BB site-

"Both of these 45 colt loads are designed to be a heavy loading, yet be within standard(SAAMI) pressure. As such, both of these 45 colt loads are safe and recommended to be used IN ANY post-war 45 colt that is in normal working condition. ANY post-war means ANY post-war, so please take my word for it without phoning or emailing me "just to make sure". I love hearing from and appreciate customers, I really do, but there is no sense using up your or my time answering questions that have already been answered."

That was taken from the standard heavy .45 Colt listing. They aren't clear in all their lisings like they used to be, before they re-did their site. The old site went into detail about their ammo being within SAAMI spec pressure. I'm not sure why they felt the neeed to drop that info, unless they figured everyone would know that by now, or were trying to save space. If you call Tim Sundles, he will still tell you that though.

There really does seem to be more confusion now, about their ammo, than there used to be with the old site.
 
Originally posted by reerc:
I read on the internet - so it must be true - that the Buffalo Bore ammo is actually too hot for the ultra lightweight KelTecs; that the punishment the rounds deliver the little pistols will cause them to self-destruct. When I read that, I swapped the BB I had in my KelTec P3AT for Double Tap.
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I've read that all the mouse gun makers are saying this, at least for .380, although Gunblast has tested BB in the Ruger LCP and the MRI Micro Desert Eagle with no problems. Don't know how many rounds he used.
 
Originally posted by reerc:
I read on the internet - so it must be true - that the Buffalo Bore ammo is actually too hot for the ultra lightweight KelTecs; that the punishment the rounds deliver the little pistols will cause them to self-destruct. When I read that, I swapped the BB I had in my KelTec P3AT for Double Tap.
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I did more than read about it on the internet, I tested the ammo and I posted my results here. Buffalo bore .380 +P Gold Dots are too much for a P3AT. One more shot would have seriously damaged my gun since the takedown pin had popped halfway out before I finished the first full magazine.

As far as recoil goes, as OKFC05 once pointed out to me, The powder type and charge weight will have a effect on recoil. Depending on the gun and ammo used, it is possible to get less recoil from the faster of two equal bullets, or to gain significantly more recoil for modest gains in velocity.
 
another thing good about Buffalo Bore Ammo in these days of ammo shortages is every time I order from them I get my ammo. I'm getting another 300 rounds of 357, 125 grain heavy on 4/16.
 
Gun4Fun,

Did you by any chance ask Tim if his 38spl+P is loaded to SAAMI or CIP limit? I know that CIP does not define 38+P standard but people often refer to CIP 38spl limit as +P.

I looked through his old and new sites and some of his posts on THR. He talks about loading "to the very top of the caliber limit" about "ammo being safe in +P revolvers" etc. But I never saw him stating that his 38spl+P loads were at or under 20K psi.

Difference between SAAMI and CIP limits is small and I don't think it has much of any implication on the safety of his ammo. The reason I am asking is that I am trying to duplicate his load and it is easier to do under slightly higher CIP limit.

Mike
 
Okay, since there is no response, I take it we do not know if BB uses CIP or SAAMI standard for 38 special.
 
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