Bullpup V3

[Rundover]

Just completed V3, the final prototype version before the planned real actual bullpup is produced. If you have been flowing my progress you may see in this version a few changes.
The buttstock has a little less of an angle to it now and feels really good. It also easily forces the gun into a good natural firing position.
The front barrel shroud is taller now and can except a rail if needed.
Added quick disconnect sling mounts. They seem to work well and the rear mount will work from either side.
Added my cheek rest / brass deflector. Its a quick slip-on rail mounted design that can be adjusted forward and backward.
Added actual assembly hardware so now its just like it what it will look like.
And finely, added the internal parts. Yes, this means it is a functioning prototype capable of firing rounds down range.
At this point the only thing that I need to possibly address the the bolt catch. Up to this point I wasn't sure if I really need it but the last round hold open I kinda do like so I think I will see if I can incorporate it in before V4.

 

[Dirt Dart]

I'm very impressed! I will continue to watch your progress.

How's the trigger?

Nice work!

 

[shipwreck]

That is just wild. Wow!

 

[erick1987]

Very nice!

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[shawnr5]

Looks great. If the cutout in the front is sized for exactly one component, why not just have a similar grip molded in place and not force the purchase of an AFG?

 

[cjt50]

Getting better and better with each version. Including the bolt hold open would really be a plus.

Very well done!

Please continue your work, this really looks like it coming together nicely.

 

[Brett248Vista]

Rundover,

Your work is amazing! I really can't add more than that!

 

[Dezfan]

Looks promising!

 

[Lorelei]

I like it!

 

[OldEagleEars]

While it lacks the graceful lines of the original proposal, it has matured into a damn-fine design. The brass deflector/cheek piece is a very desirable addition that should also be useful when shooting with a scope. I agree that the slide release should be included in an easily accessible location (which will probably be harder than it sounds to accomplish). In all, you have developed a mature, usable improvement on your original design and one that should find a ready market among serious rimfire shooters. Congratulations! (Now, do you have a price point estimated for this thing?)

 

[Kayback]

That's looking great.

KBK

 

[stavman11]

let me know when ya wanna send it to ME for testing

Looks Great...... keep it up

 

[ravridge]

I like that, keep it up !

 

[Rundover]

Everyone, THANKS for all your thoughts and encouragement. I have to say that my biggest fear was that the trigger would be **** and ruin the entire project. I spent allot of sleepless nights contemplating in my head the best way to work the trigger. I have got to tell you that it has exceeded my expectations. It feels just like a stock 15-22 trigger and I haven't even done a trigger job on it yet. Also with the way I have designed it it will except any AR15 trigger, I'm excited and am going to try and shoot it next week.
Shawnr5, the original version had a built in forward grip, which I liked allot, but from advise of those on this forum it was changed to a rail which would except at least an AFG. Doing this gives you the option to mount anything you want. I have tried a pistol grip and also a bipod for use with my scope mounted on top. Options baby, options are good.

 

[63GMC]

Looks like I may have to buy a second 15-22. Just curious, what would you do for a serial number? Would it be legal without one?

 

[Rundover]

I believe the serial numbers were devised to keep track of the sale of weapons up until 1968 when it became law. One of the provisions in making your own weapon is that you can never sell it or give it away and therefore no serial number is required. I do think there should be some kind of mark to distinguish it as mine which brings me to my next thought.


What should I name her?

First thought was it's a bullpup so that should be part of the name like......

Bull-Pup
Bull-Ish
Wrecking-Bull
Rageing-Bull

You get it so what do you think?

 

[Lorelei]

The Raging-Bull is already taken by Taurus so you probably want to avoid it.

How about Bull-Puppy?

 

[cjt50]

................How about Bull-Puppy?

Hmmm, 22lr,,,,,, Bull-Puppy,,,,,, got a nice ring to it.

 

[compshootfl]

I like "MAD DOG" Bullpup.

Please send all gratuties for the name directly to my bank. LOL

 

[brucev]

Just found this post. Extremely good idea. If there is some way you can incorporate the S&W lower receiver you can avoid having to deal with the issues of manufacture, serialization, etc. If that is not a problem for your possible production of this rifle, so much the better! Would be very interested in this sort of rifle if and when you choose to bring it to market. Will be following this and subsequent posts with interest. Sincerely. brucev.

 

[Lorelei]

Can we see a pic from farther back of you holding it ready to shoot?

 

[Rundover]

Hmmm, Bull-puppy sounds a little cute or wimpy.
Mad Dog is more like it and under consideration.
I was just thinking, maybe X-terminator.
brucev, you missed the original and v2 thread. The main goal was to build something that was a quick add on that would not alter the original 15-22. If the stock lower was used the buffer tube would have to be cut off. I do not need a serial # because it is home made. To sell this the lower would need to be an 80% finished lower which means the buyer would need to finish the remaining 20%. I have been looking at this and it actually looks like it will be fairly easy to do.
Lorelei, what, you want a farther away shot so you can see my true identity..... Hopefully the next pictures will be at the range when SHE gets test fired.

 

[Lorelei]

Hmmmm, that's a thought. But I really just want to see how it's going to look being fired.

 

[USMCHEROS]

How does that beauty shoot? Does it shoot like a gun boss?

 

[Dirt Dart]

Rundover:

If you will pardon a suggestion from a marketing guy......

There are a lot of 15-22's out there in the population. I don't know how many, but I would think the market for something like this at a reasonable price point would be rather substantial.

If your intent is to really tool up and produce and sell these in quantity, it would probably be best to incorporate a manufacturing entity and license it. The scope and size of your market would increase quite a bit if you produce a "drop in" ready to run product.

 

[Little Creek]

I am LH. Neat idea, but LH need not consider it.

 

[Rundover]

Marketing has suggested that I sell complete units. This thought has crossed my mind but the one issue that has stopped me from proceeding is that pesky $200 stamp that would be required to purchase it.

My thought is I would like to keep the costs down and at this moment an 80% kit with templates is looking like $250ish. A complete lower my run $300 and with the stamp your looking at $500. Its allot of money for a .22 lower with a wait for the stamp.

This is just my thought and I could be wrong. What does everyone else think?

 

[Lorelei]

Why would it require a tax stamp? Is it under 26" OAL?

 

[telero]

. . . the one issue that has stopped me from proceeding is that pesky $200 stamp that would be required to purchase it . . . a lot of money for a .22 lower with a wait for the stamp.

Why would it require a tax stamp? Is it under 26" OAL?

I agree with Lorelei, this shouldn't take a stamp based on the previous information you've provided. The OAL is going to be over 26" when completed with a standard 15-22 upper that has a 16" barrel.

If you sell it as an 80% lower you shouldn't even have to get an FFL. If you do finish them and supply them complete, you'd need to get an FFL 07 manufacturer license (but not SOT 2 stamp for NFA manufacture), and probably pay ITAR registration as well. Building anything firearms related, you should probably be involving a lawyer (if you haven't already).

 

[Dirt Dart]

Marketing has suggested that I sell complete units. This thought has crossed my mind but the one issue that has stopped me from proceeding is that pesky $200 stamp that would be required to purchase it.

My thought is I would like to keep the costs down and at this moment an 80% kit with templates is looking like $250ish. A complete lower my run $300 and with the stamp your looking at $500. Its allot of money for a .22 lower with a wait for the stamp.

This is just my thought and I could be wrong. What does everyone else think?

I don't think this would be an NFA SBR. As noted above, just keep the overall length with the upper mounted longer than 26 inches. If it is shorter, I believe you have a problem even making it, without first obtaining the tax stamp. I could be wrong, but I believe you have to have the proper licenses to even prototype anything that falls under NFA restrictions.