Buyer Beware -Quantico Tactical.

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Bought an M&P 45 on Friday from Quantico Tactical. It is what I would call a 'tactical store' which sells firearms, and NOT a gunstore per se. I would say first that it is 'store policy' not to be able to field strip a firearm in the store. Some would say that 'it serves you right' to get smoked - fair, but not necessarily always applicable. I think I got burned a little, but may turn out fine. The following is for education/experience to others near a store or chain like this.

Friday I purchased the firearm, and before the sale, told it came with 3 mags. So... I stupidly didn't check before I took it to the counter. When I got to the car, I noted it had two. I took it right back, and the salesperson would not openly admit he told me that, and gave me the "store policy is no returns on firearms". Bad enough, but when I got home and was finally able to field strip to clean, I noted that: 1. The barrel was very dirty. 2. The rails were pretty worn. 3. There was plenty of brass residue on the slide breech face - more than one would see from a test fire. 4. The date of the fired round was April 2010. Yes, I could have looked into this before I left the store, but NEVER would have thought about it to even look at it.

I called SW, and unless it had had warranty work, they really would not know even if it had been sold on retail before. So, I called the QT Gen Manager, and kindly went through all of the above. After asking him to reconsider the policy, as this weapon has evidence of at least a range session or 2, he fell back into the "store policy" mode.

I only have to get burned once on this. Buyer beware. If you see a smokin deal here, look very carefully, and look at everything in the box, and do not trust what a salesman says. Verify BEFORE checkout.

I posted this ONLY after trying all avenues. I talked to the GENERAL manager of QT, and I don't think his response is adequate.
 
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Is this the resolution to your thread about it being an actual "new" gun?
Thanks for the heads up, I'm not on that side of the state to often but I'll be sure to avoid that one.
It's unfortunate you got stiffed on the price but I hope the gun works out well for you.
 
I have seen and been by that store many a times but never going in. That is sad due to that store is basically right in the middle of MCB Quantico, located in what we call "Q Town". Not sure if you are military but that goes to say that he may be ripping military members off and that pisses me off being one. I will pass the word and stay clear of that place. Hell, if the word gets out eneough, he may lose a ton of business from the military members there. Thanks for the heads up.
 
...he may be ripping military members off and that pisses me off being one.

Yes, I hate that too. Unfortunately there are stores/shops all over the states...

I don't know the location, but you might want to check if this shop is on the list of the Off-Limit Areas and Businesses to Military personnel.
 
My purpose is to warn not condemn. I do not have the where with all or time to get into pics, but I've spent 28 years in the Army and I don't lie.

My real problem is that they would not reconsider their policy at all.

The weapon MAY turn out to be a ringer - but if you were at a gun show and someone sold it to you as "like new" - you would balk. Again, light in the store is not that good, and I didn't even think to check if it was 2 years old - never crossed my mind.

My guess is that it sat on the shlf a heck of a long time, and someone took to the range to try it out - its the only thing I can figure. UNLESS it had oil in the barrel and the dust caked up for two years, AND the test firing was pretty extensive at SW.

Again, not aimed at QT in a sense, but this is what happened, and check the packaging before you buy. The MP 45s have a good rep, and this was the only one I've seen at a good price in the 4" realm local.
 
I'd tell them it is my policy to not pay for something that is misrepresented! You had no option to strip the gun in the store and verify the condition. Tell them you will stop payment on your credit card and see what they say.
 
My purpose is to warn not condemn. I do not have the where with all or time to get into pics, but I've spent 28 years in the Army and I don't lie.

My real problem is that they would not reconsider their policy at all.

The weapon MAY turn out to be a ringer - but if you were at a gun show and someone sold it to you as "like new" - you would balk. Again, light in the store is not that good, and I didn't even think to check if it was 2 years old - never crossed my mind.

My guess is that it sat on the shlf a heck of a long time, and someone took to the range to try it out - its the only thing I can figure. UNLESS it had oil in the barrel and the dust caked up for two years, AND the test firing was pretty extensive at SW.

Again, not aimed at QT in a sense, but this is what happened, and check the packaging before you buy. The MP 45s have a good rep, and this was the only one I've seen at a good price in the 4" realm local.

Brian,

Don't take my post the wrong way. I'm not saying you are lying. I would just like to see how extensively used this thing looked. What did the barrel hood look like? Some pics would really help....either to confirm your suspicions, or to put your mind at rest.
 
Ya I would go along with contact your credit card company to stop payment on the gun.. Talk it over with them first about store policy and they will give you the best advice they can.. If you paid for a new gun you shouold have got a new gun! As Far AS THE #3 mag goes you would have to find out if in fact the model you got is one that comes with 3 mags.. If I remember right S&W has or had a deal going for a rebate or a extra mag but you sent away for it.. This may be the case..
I sure hope you paid with a credit card.. If not clean it up and just bite the bullet and try and enjoy the gun and don't deal with them ever again.. my .02 worth.. Best of luck!! George
 
I'm not a lawyer, nor have I played one on TV, but I'd check with an attorney before stopping payment on the credit card...I've read that it is a felony to stop payment on a check for a firearm purchase, so it may be as well for a credit card purchase. I don't know, and could be wrong...but better safe than sorry. Your credit card company may know (hopefully they would.)
 
They used to have some smoking deals on M&P magazines at the QTS across from Ft. Campbell. I bought 10 of the 14 round .45 mags there at $25.00 each. They are all full retail now plus about 10% unless you have a "Team " card which gives you a 10% discount. That is pretty much pricing on everything.
Their CS has always been poor and the staff is strange, to put it politely.
Sorry this happened but it sounds about par for the company.
 
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Their CS has always been poor and the staff is strange, to put it politely.
Sorry this happened but it sounds about par for the company.

It is strange just how strange the staff is about their firearms. Without boring with details, the staff doesn't seem to know much about firearms, and contradicts themselves, as in the case of the mags on this purchase.

I'll clean and shoot, as the MP 45's seem to be about the best of the line.
 
Out of curiosity I checked the QT website. Thye have 6 stores, all of which are in cities with heavy military bases. In their return policy they state the firearms can be returned IF the original tags are still intact. Something is very stinky about this situation. I am just trying to figure it out now. Initially I went to their website to send them an email in support of your complaints. A place this large has too much to loose by treating any customers as you were, but they would not be the first.
There are folks on this forum that carry a fair degree of weight pertaining to matters involving our armed forces. Please post photographs of everything except your reciept and your story will generate enough evidence to s*** list these guys for most individuals that read this forum. In short, speaking for myself, I have always found the members on this forum to be fair minded and support ethical behavior. I am just the average guy but I hate to see anyone, particularly men and women of local, state and federal services taken advantage of. I still like to tackle the one jerk that is corrupt and greedy. Give us some pics, good quality close ups and in focus. You do not have to deal with this alone.
 
They used to have some smoking deals on M&P magazines at the QTS across from Ft. Campbell. I bought 10 of the 14 round .45 mags there at $25.00 each. They are all full retail now plus about 10% unless you have a "Team " card which gives you a 10% discount. That is pretty much pricing on everything.
Their CS has always been poor and the staff is strange, to put it politely.
Sorry this happened but it sounds about par for the company.

Just about any store outside the main gate can be suspected of being a rip off. I am sure that is the same today as was in late 80s when I was stationed at Ft. Campbell.
 
Was the firearm being sold as "brand new" or "like new"? Two very very different terms. "Brand new" obviously meaning never sold before and shot a minimal amount of times since production (I'd say under 10 rounds for sure). "Like new" is nothing more than a sales pitch or marketing tool. The gun could be 10+ years old and still be "like new". There's no warranty behind that statement. The law requires that there is a specific warranty or specific false claim about an item for it to be misrepresented. For example, if they told you the barrel was just replaced with a new one, then you later find out that it still has the original barrel... that is a specific misrepresentation and, if you could prove it, would enable you to win your case in small claims court.

If the firearm was suppose to be brand new, I'd call the general manager again and give him one last chance to make it right. If he refuses, tell him that you'll be taking him to small claims court. Take pictures of the wear asap and file your claim. The fee is usually ~$75 and if you win, the defendant is forced to refund your court costs. You don't need a lawyer. Small claims court is a simple everyday avenue to resolve petty claims among citizens. Don't be afraid to use the system we have in place. Make sure you bring your phone records to show that you called in and talked to the manager on a couple of occasions. Proving that you made a fuss immediately after purchasing the firearm is going to be key to your case.

It's about principle. They're scumbags. Don't let them rip you off.
 
This is in no way meant to criticize the OP but I can't ever remember buying any gun I didn't do a pretty careful visual inspection on. It does not require a field strip to look down the barrel or check the face of the slide or see a part of the rails with the slide locked open. Any time I spend several hundred or more dollars, I try to be thorough.
 
I don't have time for small claims, etc. Too busy.

I NORMALLY check all this stuff out closely. The reason I would not jump on a $400 9mm with 3 mags is because I really cannot check the barrel to slide fit at this shop.

I thought the trigger was good enough and did not even suspect it would look/appear used as ALL their guns are sold new - they have NO used guns. MP 45s have a great rep, so I was not as concerned to closely inspect everything.
 
Any store or agency showing indifference to customer justice and citing "policy" as their oh-so impenatrable roadblock is off the shopping list. Small indeed.
 
I feel it necessary to stand up for Quantico Tactical. I've been a customer of theirs for almost 12 years now having shopped mostly in the store in Q-Town, the Woodbridge, VA store, at gunshows and once at the Ft Hood Store when I was passing through. I've never had an issue and always found the people to be helpful and the products to be first rate.

I just picked up two 9mm Shields today and was in the store with about 10 other people doing the same. The clerk was busy as a you know what but he was professional and handled each of us in order, quickly and accurately to the point I was through the paperwork and VA background check without delay.

I'm hope my experience is indicative of many who have shopped at QT and is an indication of why they are expanding at a time of economic hardship.

As I recall, M&Ps come new with two mags. You can hit a sale or promo and get one or two more, but you usually have to send to S&W for them.

I'm also wondering about the price, it's an awfully good deal on any M&P 45.
 
Show proof

I have never done business with QT. As I cited in an earlier post I checked their website and leared about them, including their POLICY that they WILL ACCEPT RETURNS on firearms if the original tags are still attached. As someone else stated, you can examine the barrel rifling, slide rails and breach face without field stripping the weapon. I will not condone the OP's complaint and call for abort on QT without evidence in form of pictures. There are 2 other threads on this forum regarding the same general story. Too busy, no camera etc...does not work. It is a serious charge to slander a company. There may be a reson for the OP's discontent, but I do not believe this story as is. The heart of our protection in this country is innocent until proven guilty, so that no innocent person is punished. As I say, the OP may have reason to want to see QT's salesperson's head on a stick in his yard, but I don't see anything but b.s. mudslinging without tangible evidence.
 
Smells to me

I checked the OP's profile and this is the first part of another post he has on this forum. "Went to an LGS. Let me say that this is NOT a full service store. They are NEW to have an FFL at this location, and it is primarily a tactical store.

Brought home a 'new' FS/mid barrel (4") MP 45. First even after they told me it would have 3 mags (LE sale), it only had 2. I know this is normal, but they had said 3. But... "all sales final", so I went home with it."
He proceeded to cite the "used" condition.

1. OP's profile list NONE for military or Law enforcement
2. Calls it a Local Gun Store
3. Claims it was a LE sale???
 
Back in the recent past Q.T. used to do gun shows in Va.It seemed there was allways some one at there tables complaining that they had been treated dirty by them. I guess thats why they quit the show circut in Va. BTW the owner was a real piece of work if he didn't agree with you he'd just treat you like a half-whit under ling.It was really hard for me seeing this to believe he was ever a Marine officer.
 
That's exactly what I'm saying, I want to see pics. If you have time to post and reply on a forum, you have time to post a pic. Still no answer to my inquiry on what the barrel hood looked like. I'm leaning towards the weapon just being dirty from the factory test fire.

To be fair...I don't have anything listed in my profile about being LE/MIL either.

RLTW
 
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Good experience with Quantico Tactical

Quantico Tactical (QT) sells directly to LEO and military personnel. Civilians are welcomed to buy from them as well.

QT was one of the first guns shops I shopped at when I first got into M&P's. I bought 2 M&P's and a Springfield Armory TRP 1911 from them in the WA location. No issues at all. They were courteous, willing to discuss things and their discounts are very competitive.

As to finding your M&P barrel dirty, I am not sure if it is S&W policy to clean the gun after they test fire it before they ship it out. My understanding is that they do not clean it after test-firing. The original factory oil and the burnt powder may sit in there until the gun lands in your hands.

Regarding 3-mag M&P's, these are the LEO versions and they are not supposed to sell those to you with LEO discounts. If you have bought these with the discounts, consider yourself lucky.
 
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Hello Everyone,

My name is David Hensley, I am the Owner/President/CEO of Quantico Tactical. Several of our customers alerted us to this thread. I have never been to this particular board, and although this is not the ideal way to introduce myself and Quantico Tactical to you guys, I definitely feel the need to address this issue.

First, let me address the OPs issues, then I will move on to address some of the "pile-on" silliness.

To the OP, let me say that I am sorry for what you experienced. It is my desire, and that of my team, that we have unmatched customer service. Obviously there was some mis-communication/mis-understandings plus some of our policies were not fully explained, so let me say the following:

- Number of Magazines in S&W LE/Military Pistols: When we signed up for the S&W LE Program, we were told that all LE/Military Program Guns come with three magazines. Turns out that isn't quite true. All of them come with three magazines with the exception of those that don't. Quite frankly, there is no rhyme or reason to it other than ALL .45ACP M&P pistols only come with two magazines. I am sorry if our team member who helped you said otherwise, but we sell the guns as we get them from S&W.

- Used Weapon: We sell only new, in box firearms. We do not deal in used firearms, nor do we take trades (although that might change in the future). I can absolutely, positively guarantee you that the pistol you received was in the exact same condition as it was received from S&W. Since I have not seen it, I cannot comment further on the condition, other than to say it was sold as received.

- Return Policy on Firearms: It is our policy that firearms are non-returnable. I cannot think of another retailer who accepts returns on firearms. That being said, my managers are empowered to make exceptions and perhaps the store manager in question should have made an exception in this case. Based upon what I read in your post, I probably would have made an exception and then give the next guy a good deal on it. I can tell you that I have been working with my mangers to be more leanient in situations like this.

Okay, on to other things:

Quantico Tactical is - by far - the largest S&W LE/Military Distributor. We do all of the federal government sales which S&W doesn't do direct and we have three states as exclusive state and local territory for Smith and Wesson. At any given time, we have over $750,000 worth of S&W inventory...none of our competitors makes that level of commitment. Further, we sell the LE/Military program guns at the "correct" prices, even as other charge more. We sell the "base" guns (9mm/40, Full Size and Compact with three mags) for $398. We sell our Shields for $329, when other LE/Military Distributors are charging much more.

Notwithstanding a few "haters" in this thread, we enjoy a superb reputation for customer service, selection and only selling high-quality apparel, gear and weapons. Recently, because of our reputation, we were selected (not paid our way in) as the "Official Police Equipment Supplier" to the FBI National Academy. Noone else has had that honor.

Are we perfect? No. But, 99% of our customers are extremely satisified.

As for the mud-slinging charges, I should just ignore them but I will address the obvious bull**** ones:

- "Not sure he was even a Marine" Comment: That is laughable. I enlisted in 1984 and retired in 2004 as a Major.

- "Always someone at there (sic) tables complaining that they had been treated dirty by them". Made by the same "hater" who did the above post. That again, is laughable. We offer the best value, the most professional setup and have the most repeat customers of anyone in ANY of the gunshow circuits we do (CA, WA, TX, KS, MO, KY, TN, NC, SC, GA and VA). The only people who would bitch about us at gunshows are other dealers who can no longer rip off the attendees by charging OVER MSRP for Magpul, Troy, etc.

- Ripping Off Troops: I know that the people who made these comments were refering to their experiences when they were in the military and their recolection of "We Finance E-1 and Up!" type of places. Rest assured, we are NOT that type of companies. Most of the employees in our stores are former military combat vets with some sort of physical disability.

Guys, that is about it. I will say this, I don't hide behind internet handles, etc. Here is my personal contact information:

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OP: Please contact me and I will fix this.

Anyone else: Please never hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or concerns about any aspect of Quantico Tactical.

Semper Fi,
Dave Hensley
 
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Nuff said and said very well. So I will say just three things: First, Thank you Dave for 20 years of service to the USA; Second, Thank you Dave for hiring combat vets with some physical disability; and Third, being selected as the Official Police Equipment Supplier to the FBI National Academy validates your business integrity.
 
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