Bye, bye, Remington...

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Watching the Olympics last night I had to laugh when I saw a commercial advertising New York State as business friendly. Apparently they recently launched a national ad campaign encouraging businesses to relocate to the State of New York to take advantage of their "tax free zones" and "pay no taxes for 10 years". For a minute, I thought I had bumped the remote and tuned in Saturday Night Live.

Apparently someone in Albany is either really sick or has a pretty good sense of humor.
 
Fredo Batali said:
Looks like Remington is closing its doors in New York and moving to Alabama, Roll Tide!

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Not yet. Right now they are just building their expansion in Alabama.

Will they leave Ilion and NY State altogether? Most likely, but they aren't yet.
 
moe smith said:
Watching the Olympics last night I had to laugh when I saw a commercial advertising New York State as business friendly. Apparently they recently launched a national ad campaign encouraging businesses to relocate to the State of New York to take advantage of their "tax free zones" and "pay no taxes for 10 years". For a minute, I thought I had bumped the remote and tuned in Saturday Night Live.

Apparently someone in Albany is either really sick or has a pretty good sense of humor.
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Perhaps they are just trying to shore up the expected losses from all the companies they are driving out.
Or maybe they hired a used car salesman who is desperately trying to convince you if something he knows is not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
 
moe smith said:
Watching the Olympics last night I had to laugh when I saw a commercial advertising New York State as business friendly. Apparently they recently launched a national ad campaign encouraging businesses to relocate to the State of New York to take advantage of their "tax free zones" and "pay no taxes for 10 years". For a minute, I thought I had bumped the remote and tuned in Saturday Night Live.

Apparently someone in Albany is either really sick or has a pretty good sense of humor.
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Seen that propaganda piece a few times. I cant see any company wanting to relocate there cept maybe a company that makes cosmetics or broom handles.

And no, the above isnt slanted at the Ladies, I couldnt think of anything better at the time.
 
mc5aw said:
NY's ruling body of clowns doesn't care one whit about Ilion or Remington.
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I dont know the population of that community but, I suspect those who werent already Republicans--will now be. :cool:
 
Wait until a new generation of corporate leaders take over the company. I'm sure they won't have any hard feelings moving the company to a gun friendlier state and leaving the employees living in that NY community behind. It's bad for them, but good for gun owners.
 
It doesn't matter where any company moves...

If they don't have the quality control or customer service, it will be for naught.

Another move might be the nail in the coffin for all the gremiln guns they currently turn out.

Sorry for being a bit skeptical, but moving or not, they've got to get their act together.
 
Andy Griffith said:
Sorry for being a bit skeptical, but moving or not, they've got to get their act together.
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Andy, I'll agree with that. When I look at a new 870 and compare it to my 30-year-old version, there's just no comparison. Of course, I could say that about S&W, but I won't. :D
 
You know, if I had a company in N.Y. where I had been paying (high) corporate taxes for a while, I think I might be a little upset that the state would let a new and possibly competing company move in tax free for 10 years.
How is that fair for an established in state company?
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When the Alabama plant is up and running there will be NO plant in NEW YORK! Why would any manufacturer keep an antique plant open with a union to deal with? The new plant will have new machinery and no union. The employees they want to retain will be transferred to Alabama probably as management and training staff.

PROFITS WILL GO UP AND NEW YORK WILL LOSE!
 
I would like to hear what their local legislators who voted for the Safe Act are saying about this. From what I hear both the Assemblyman and the Senator from that district were all for it. It will be interesting come this election cycle to see how many New York state representatives will be touting their voting record and their support of Safe Act during their campaigns.
 
Fredo Batali said:
Looks like Remington is closing its doors in New York and moving to Alabama, Roll Tide!

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Remington has specifically stated that they are not closing their New York (Ilion) facility. They stated that they have too many skilled workers there who could not move. Ilion is still their largest factory.

It's good to see that they are expanding out of state and at some point, they might be able to move everything out, but that's far off.

BTW, New York is one of the top 9 states that people are leaving for other areas. MA and CT are also on the list.
 
I believe anyone in New York who has been paying attention foresaw this eventuality with Remington. That includes those people who are now soliciting new companies to move into NY. Those same people who have declared that certain residence have no place in NY because of their personal beliefs. They are the same people who behind closed doors believe that Remington leaving NYS is a good thing because the products that have been made here, by NYers, for the past 200 years are not in keeping with a certain agenda.

I applaud Alabama and other states who have courted NY gun and gun-related companies like Remington to their states. As tragic as it sounds, it would appear that NYS doesn't want or need them or the jobs or taxes they generate.

It certainly does give reason for pause.
 
hfl73 said:
I would like to hear what their local legislators who voted for the Safe Act are saying about this. From what I hear both the Assemblyman and the Senator from that district were all for it. It will be interesting come this election cycle to see how many New York state representatives will be touting their voting record and their support of Safe Act during their campaigns.
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I can tell you what they are saying...

"Mission accomplished".

Short-sighted nimrods probably think they can use their NY Biz Friendly campaign to lure in some other unsuspecting schmo.
 
If I lived in NY and my senator was running on he/she affirmative vote for the safe act. Guess what they would not be getting? That's right-my vote. BTW- since I live in WVA, one guess as to which new elected senator will not be getting my vote? Hint-He was the former Gov of my state.

Now about Remington- I don't blame them for moving to a better business climate. It is good business sense. I feel for the workers though. I went through the same thing when my plant was closed in 2008 due to the bad economy. We were making money and had a new contract. It did not matter, they shut it down anyways and sent our customers to two other plants. I predict Remington will do alright. The employees will struggle though. They should remember the politicians are the ones that caused the problem. I think the politicians get too complacent about long term businesses. They take them for granted because they have been there so long. BTW- I also wish Remington would have came to my town.
 
GaryS said:
They stated that they have too many skilled workers there who could not move.
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No offense to the workers in Ilion, but the modern management mindset is that once a working process is in place, it can be done anywhere. Also, guns aren't hand made the way they once were. Manual machining has largely been replaced with CNC machining....requiring lesser skilled machine operators rather than true machinists. Remington guns are not what they used to be.

Let me name a few other companies with skilled workers that have moved production out of Central New York, one way or another....

Carrier Air Conditioning Corporation

General Motors Fisher Body Division

General Electric

Chrysler New Process Gear Division (later became Magna Powertrain)

Nestle Chocolate

Oberdorfer Foundry

These are just the bigger ones that I can think of off the top of my head. There are many others.
 
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Jessie said:
You know, if I had a company in N.Y. where I had been paying (high) corporate taxes for a while, I think I might be a little upset that the state would let a new and possibly competing company move in tax free for 10 years.
How is that fair for an established in state company?
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I know after 24 years I'm not impressed.:mad:
 
G-Mac said:
My instincts (from personal experience) tell me that it's just a matter of time....
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I agree, this is just like G.E. did. Started new factories all over the place and as time went by closed more and more buildings here and those jobs went to the newer places. I can remember when Schenectady GE employed many thousands of people, now it’s just a small fraction of that. Much of that was due to NY hostile business climate!


It will not happen overnight but it will happen. Of course our NYC politicians consider this a victory. (Guns Bad):rolleyes:

FWIW a GE plant across the river from me is being shutdown as I type this.
 
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they are beginning to see the light
 
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