Bye, bye, Remington...

[hfl73]

I would like to hear what their local legislators who voted for the Safe Act are saying about this. From what I hear both the Assemblyman and the Senator from that district were all for it. It will be interesting come this election cycle to see how many New York state representatives will be touting their voting record and their support of Safe Act during their campaigns.

 

[GaryS]

Looks like Remington is closing its doors in New York and moving to Alabama, Roll Tide!

De Oppresso Liber

Remington has specifically stated that they are not closing their New York (Ilion) facility. They stated that they have too many skilled workers there who could not move. Ilion is still their largest factory.

It's good to see that they are expanding out of state and at some point, they might be able to move everything out, but that's far off.

BTW, New York is one of the top 9 states that people are leaving for other areas. MA and CT are also on the list.

 

[kozmic]

I believe anyone in New York who has been paying attention foresaw this eventuality with Remington. That includes those people who are now soliciting new companies to move into NY. Those same people who have declared that certain residence have no place in NY because of their personal beliefs. They are the same people who behind closed doors believe that Remington leaving NYS is a good thing because the products that have been made here, by NYers, for the past 200 years are not in keeping with a certain agenda.

I applaud Alabama and other states who have courted NY gun and gun-related companies like Remington to their states. As tragic as it sounds, it would appear that NYS doesn't want or need them or the jobs or taxes they generate.

It certainly does give reason for pause.

 

[CatSnipah]

I would like to hear what their local legislators who voted for the Safe Act are saying about this. From what I hear both the Assemblyman and the Senator from that district were all for it. It will be interesting come this election cycle to see how many New York state representatives will be touting their voting record and their support of Safe Act during their campaigns.

I can tell you what they are saying...

"Mission accomplished".

Short-sighted nimrods probably think they can use their NY Biz Friendly campaign to lure in some other unsuspecting schmo.

 

[don5]

If I lived in NY and my senator was running on he/she affirmative vote for the safe act. Guess what they would not be getting? That's right-my vote. BTW- since I live in WVA, one guess as to which new elected senator will not be getting my vote? Hint-He was the former Gov of my state.

Now about Remington- I don't blame them for moving to a better business climate. It is good business sense. I feel for the workers though. I went through the same thing when my plant was closed in 2008 due to the bad economy. We were making money and had a new contract. It did not matter, they shut it down anyways and sent our customers to two other plants. I predict Remington will do alright. The employees will struggle though. They should remember the politicians are the ones that caused the problem. I think the politicians get too complacent about long term businesses. They take them for granted because they have been there so long. BTW- I also wish Remington would have came to my town.

 

[G-Mac]

They stated that they have too many skilled workers there who could not move.

No offense to the workers in Ilion, but the modern management mindset is that once a working process is in place, it can be done anywhere. Also, guns aren't hand made the way they once were. Manual machining has largely been replaced with CNC machining....requiring lesser skilled machine operators rather than true machinists. Remington guns are not what they used to be.

Let me name a few other companies with skilled workers that have moved production out of Central New York, one way or another....

Carrier Air Conditioning Corporation

General Motors Fisher Body Division

General Electric

Chrysler New Process Gear Division (later became Magna Powertrain)

Nestle Chocolate

Oberdorfer Foundry

These are just the bigger ones that I can think of off the top of my head. There are many others.

 

[kozmic]

You know, if I had a company in N.Y. where I had been paying (high) corporate taxes for a while, I think I might be a little upset that the state would let a new and possibly competing company move in tax free for 10 years.
How is that fair for an established in state company?
Mods. Feel free to delete if this is leaning political.

I know after 24 years I'm not impressed.

 

[NYlakesider]

My instincts (from personal experience) tell me that it's just a matter of time....

I agree, this is just like G.E. did. Started new factories all over the place and as time went by closed more and more buildings here and those jobs went to the newer places. I can remember when Schenectady GE employed many thousands of people, now it's just a small fraction of that. Much of that was due to NY hostile business climate!


It will not happen overnight but it will happen. Of course our NYC politicians consider this a victory. (Guns Bad)

FWIW a GE plant across the river from me is being shutdown as I type this.

 

[J. R. WEEMS]

Could be the next thing we see is an EX. order not allowing such compines to move, and require they expand where they are. Would not surprise me one bit.

 

[ky wonder]

Remington ammo in Arkansas, guns in Maysville KY, research in Elizabethtown ky, and now guns in Huntsville Alabama

they are beginning to see the light

 

[Whitens Moss]

Now if only they would improve their quality control I might buy one of their products.

 

[kozmic]

Remington ammo in Arkansas, guns in Maysville KY, research in Elizabethtown ky, and now guns in Huntsville Alabama

they are beginning to see the light

I think Remington's out-of-NY-state locations were through acquisition of existing companies and those company's existing facilities. I believe this to be the first time Remington has expanded their gun manufacturing outside of Ilion, NY. (?)

That doesn't take away from the anti-gun and yes, anti-business climate fostered by the current NY leadership.

 

[GaryS]

Remington Outdoors was Freedom Group, which was owned by Cerebus. Cerebus is a venture capital company and they bought Bushmaster, and a whole list of other gun and ammo manufacturers. They took all of their AR15 manufacturers and consolidated them in one factory.

I think they decided to divest all of their firearms related companies after Newtown or maybe another high profile incident.

Cerebus is also the company that drove Chrysler into bankruptcy and then sold it off to Renault.

All of which is to say that you are probably correct about their expansion being mostly by acquisition.

I don't know who actually owns Remington Outdoors now, but they are based in Ilion and have stated no current plans to move anything out of New York.

G-Mac, maybe unlike other companies, they have some loyalty to their employees and don't want to put a bunch of hard working people who have been loyal to the company out of work to make a political point or to save a few dollars here and there.

The company after which this forum is named has, from what I've been told, a similar philosophy. They pride themselves on having an experienced work force with many of their employees having been with the company over 30 years.

Frankly, I wish more companies would have that sort of loyalty to their workers.

I think Remington's out-of-NY-state locations were through acquisition of existing companies and those company's existing facilities. I believe this to be the first time Remington has expanded their gun manufacturing outside of Ilion, NY. (?)

That doesn't take away from the anti-gun and yes, anti-business climate fostered by the current NY leadership.

 

[Comrad]

Remington has specifically stated that they are not closing their New York (Ilion) facility. They stated that they have too many skilled workers there who could not move. Ilion is still their largest factory.

It's good to see that they are expanding out of state and at some point, they might be able to move everything out, but that's far off.

BTW, New York is one of the top 9 states that people are leaving for other areas. MA and CT are also on the list.

Yeah and Bushmaster wasn't going to close the Maine plant either.

 

[GaryS]

Yeah and Bushmaster wasn't going to close the Maine plant either.

Just to reiterate since you seem to have missed it. Bushmaster didn't close the ME plant, Freedom Group (Cerebus) did. The original owner of Bushmaster waited for his non compete to expire and reopened under the name "Windham Weaponry" and hired many of the people that were laid off when Bushmaster closed. So, once again ARs are being made in Maine, by the company once known as Bushmaster.

 

[Comrad]

Just to reiterate since you seem to have missed it. Bushmaster didn't close the ME plant, Freedom Group (Cerebus) did. The original owner of Bushmaster waited for his non compete to expire and reopened under the name "Windham Weaponry" and hired many of the people that were laid off when Bushmaster closed. So, once again ARs are being made in Maine, by the company once known as Bushmaster.

You are correct, what I meant to say was the plant closed after the buyer said it wouldn't. Same result no matter who closed it.
Got to love Richard Dyke for starting Windham.

 

[GaryS]

You are correct, what I meant to say was the plant closed after the buyer said it wouldn't. Same result no matter who closed it.
Got to love Richard Dyke for starting Windham.

Sadly, that sort of thing is all too common in corporate America. The new buyer comes in and says that little or nothing will change. Then, the old management team gets the axe. After that, the product is cheapened to "increase production efficiency". If that doesn't allow them to squeeze enough profit out of the company, they move the whole thing out of state. Then they can't figure out why customers who bought the product for years, stop buying something that is the same product in name only.

Just once, I'd like to see someone buy and established brand and not ruin it. I'm not holding my breath though.

 

[v-13]

Treat them well, for the rest of us!!!

 

[the ringo kid]

Could be the next thing we see is an EX. order not allowing such compines to move, and require they expand where they are. Would not surprise me one bit.

Shhhhh, dont give them any more ideas.

 

[BigBill]

All remington needs is the key employees who know the manufacturing inside out to train the new employees they hire.
Operating the cnc machines can be taught very quickly. They just locate the fixtures, feed the parts and push the buttons to run the programs.

I say good for Remington. I feel sorry for the workers they leave behind. I been there many times with plants moving and closing.

I built 25 cnc machines that didn't have a human on the floor. These machines were connected to each other by automated trains and loaders. The parts went through the shop to different cnc machines till the parts were finished. This was built for CAT in the early 80's.
They were all operated from one tower control room. These automated cnc machines have the accuracy to the millionths. My point is the new technology of today is even better. Don't underestimate your brand new s&w.