Your recollection is correct. There were only 2 classes hired in 1997, spring and winter. The first announcement is the graduation of the class hired in winter of 1996.
NYPD Model 64-1: 4-inch SB, 4-inch RB, 3-inch RB and 2-inch RB
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Thank you Robert, back on track reference the original post…,
you are a Scholar and a Gentleman, amongst of all things, S&W and the NYPD!
Now solely for informational purposes and for data collection, I have a total of four Model 64s in the NY-1 variation…
1) Model 64 no dash 4” SB, S/N AWH7XXX. Standard S&W stainless steel finish, serial number stamped on the butt only, no firing pin spring;
2) Model 64 no dash 4” RB, S/N AWT3XXX. Standard S&W stainless steel finish, serial number stamped on the butt only, no firing pin spring;
3) Model 64-5 3” RB, S/N BFZ9XXX. Satin or frosted S&W stainless steel finish, serial number stamped on the butt and laser engraved below the cylinder window, firing pin spring present.
4) Model 64-4 2” RB, S/N BEK0XXX. Satin or frosted S&W stainless steel finish, serial number stamped on the butt and laser engraved below the cylinder window, firing pin spring present.
***None of my four have anything other than model number and NY-1 stamped in the crane area.
Robert, thanks for your work and if the above information is useful to you, feel free to use it!
Jim
you are a Scholar and a Gentleman, amongst of all things, S&W and the NYPD!
Now solely for informational purposes and for data collection, I have a total of four Model 64s in the NY-1 variation…
1) Model 64 no dash 4” SB, S/N AWH7XXX. Standard S&W stainless steel finish, serial number stamped on the butt only, no firing pin spring;
2) Model 64 no dash 4” RB, S/N AWT3XXX. Standard S&W stainless steel finish, serial number stamped on the butt only, no firing pin spring;
3) Model 64-5 3” RB, S/N BFZ9XXX. Satin or frosted S&W stainless steel finish, serial number stamped on the butt and laser engraved below the cylinder window, firing pin spring present.
4) Model 64-4 2” RB, S/N BEK0XXX. Satin or frosted S&W stainless steel finish, serial number stamped on the butt and laser engraved below the cylinder window, firing pin spring present.
***None of my four have anything other than model number and NY-1 stamped in the crane area.
Robert, thanks for your work and if the above information is useful to you, feel free to use it!
Jim
kbm6893
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I can't imagine they'd be given a choice. It would be a first. Troopers are all about standardization. The trooper I know said it's happening this spring and he definitely does not want to give up his Glock 21. They're giving troopers the option to buy their 21's for $300.
Not surprised the optic isn't cheap, but the pic I saw had an optic on there that was tall and very boxy. Like a square box just sitting on the top. I'm not surprised the light isn't a TLR-1. That's been around awhile.
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kbm6893
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They evaluated it to see if scores went up, I was told. And they called in mostly female troopers. Also makes sense. They went from the Glock 17 to the Glock .45 GAP because they didn't feel that female troopers and smaller guys would like the huge grip. When the GAP failed to impress, they went to the 21 and the troopers did well with it.
transit
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Not exactly. The G17 and the G37 are essentially identical in size. The G37 is actually a fraction wider, if I recall correctly.
By 2006, certain members of the SP in NY had been wanting to switch to .45 for some time. The 2006 line of duty death of Trooper Andrew Sperr provided that opportunity, as Trooper Sperr was able to get hits on both his assailants with his G17, but they were able to escape. This was portrayed as a failure of the 9mm.
The G37 in the .45 GAP caliber was selected because it satisfied the desire for a .45, while being compatible with existing (G17) leather gear, which the G21 was not.
The expense of the GAP ammunition is what ultimately led the agency to switch to .45 ACP, after (IIRC) NY finally used up all the GAP ammo it had obtained at a discount from the Pennsylvania State Police, when that agency switched away from the .45 GAP.
And to thank Mr. Rivas for his amazing work, and apologize for the tangent, here are two of my NY-1 guns, a 2" M64 and a M60.
F224
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What a great post sir! Despite having grown up in Buffalo and making my escape in 1976, I'm still intrigued by all things NYPD revolvers.
I met an NYPD firearms instructor in 1995 at a conference who told he they would switch to pistols over his dead body. He retired a few years later...
I met an NYPD firearms instructor in 1995 at a conference who told he they would switch to pistols over his dead body. He retired a few years later...
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Doug M.
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*We collectors are weirdos..
A gross understatement. I was not considering the interests of collectors in getting an uncommon variant. I was looking at it from the practical aspect of using it. I have bought some firearms for less than practical reasons, but to me, if one cannot fight with the platform, it is of dubious utility.
Doug M.
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The commonality fetish of some police agencies (state agencies are often the worst) is shameful. To the extent such things are not consistent with effectiveness, that should be a discipline issue for command officers, as should the silliness of wearing hats and shiny/loud duty gear (Clarino, oh dear lord help me). Such impractical gear should be restricted to honor guard type settings, and allowing let alone requiring hats other than foul weather and dress uniform duty should be grounds for serious discipline, along with the silliness of visible white T shirts. Any practice or equipment not consistent with fighting effectiveness should presumptively result in a Loudermill hearing and a trespass notice.
I have an Acro on one of my G17s and it is excellent. I'd kind of like to see some hard use testing of the new package deal from Glock; it seems to have a lot of potential. I interact with a lot of LE practitioners and trainers personally and professionally. If one is starting from scratch with training, the RDS is a winner. If one has to transition from otherwise good training (Gunsite methods as a good example), that can be a problem. Other than that issue, I don't recall ever hearing bad mouthing of quality RDS. My client and the city agency here are adopting them, especially for older officers whose eyes are starting to present a problem. The potential need for precision shots with a handgun argues very strongly in favor of RDS. The failure to move to a quality RDS could present liability due to negligence arguments, just as with a patrol rifle.
Thank you, RM Vivas, for adding to the collective knowledge base.
I can only add a pic, but my interest in these guns is in-line with many here.
I can only add a pic, but my interest in these guns is in-line with many here.
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RM Vivas
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The State Police marked 681's are out there. I used to have one. Guys were allowed to buy them when the switch was made.
Best,
RM Vivas
Do you have any info on the NYSP marked model 65 by chance? I have a 3-inch example, and have only seen two others through the years. Thanks!
I’ve seen only one in the flesh, and I know who’s got it… I’ll break him down sooner or later the give it up!
It will go well with my recently acquired 681.
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Interesting. I had to pull mine out to see if it fit into this story but it's a 64-6 SN CER9689 so it's different.
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How it looks today:
Custom M64-6 with Model 12 "Airweight" barrel - done by
As you can see, the gun came to me with the bobbed hammer, a 4" heavy barrel, and an awful trigger. The rest is TheShootist1894's handiwork including an action job, relieved trigger guard, new 2" barrel that I supplied, and Cerakote.
Original photo:
How it looks today:
Custom M64-6 with Model 12 "Airweight" barrel - done by
of this Forum in the Spring of 2016.
As you can see, the gun came to me with the bobbed hammer, a 4" heavy barrel, and an awful trigger. The rest is TheShootist1894's handiwork including an action job, relieved trigger guard, new 2" barrel that I supplied, and Cerakote.
I have two square three inch 10s. A C series from 1967 that letters to a distributor in Miami, and a D series from 1975, a PW Arms import. Both have the standard three inch barrel, not the bull barrel seen on the later 64 and 65. I won't say the 10s are common in that variation but they're out there. I've never seen a square three inch 64 either. I have two round 64s and a round 65.
Jcon72
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I was happy to find this 2-inch 64-4 NY-1 about 3-4 years ago. While some folks may not have considered it a "bargain", the price really wasn't too bad and I have no regrets, especially considering the fact it included the correct box.
F224
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For several years the last chief I worked for at a suburban Des Moines, Iowa police department was a retired NYPD guy. He was known as "two gun Al". He always carried a Ruger SP101 with a bobbed hammer on his right hip, and would put his duty belt with his Glock 17 on right over it.
I was told he was a gunfight survivor from his NYPD days, but he never spoke about it. He was a bit of a difficult Chief to work for and I left the department after thirteen years as its longest ever serving Reserve Officer.
I was told he was a gunfight survivor from his NYPD days, but he never spoke about it. He was a bit of a difficult Chief to work for and I left the department after thirteen years as its longest ever serving Reserve Officer.
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RM Vivas
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There is a reason its called a New York Reload.
The SPNY was actually a fairly common back-up piece when in uniform.
This fellow makes no effort to conceal that he's packing a second piece. Notice the 'gunfighter drop' on his duty belt.
Best,
RM Vivas
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How about requiring officers to use the same holster, even if he is left-handed?
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RM Vivas
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I knew a guy whose back-up piece was a little Turkish .25 auto that I would have bet money on did NOT appear anywhere near his 10-card. He had his wife sew a pocket into the top center back of his vest carrier. The rationale was that if he had his hands on his head he could slide a hand down and grab it out. He figured if someone took away his on-duty piece and searched him, they'd not search under the back of the vest.
He had been laid off in the seventies and before the re-hire was working armored car. Got robbed, disarmed and stuffed into a second-floor apartment for purpose unknown. Escaped by doing a window bail-out. After that - back-up piece.
Best,
RM Vivas
