CABELAS M&P 15 MOE???

[rojodiablo]

Magpul makes a lot of good accessories. The MOE handguard is not one of them.

That's a bummer, 'cause the grip felt pretty good. A friend had one, and he had to make a shim to fit in there to solid it up.

 

[jsimmons]

Can't say that I have. But, last I checked, this isn't Afghanistan, nor will I get into an argument about the positive affects of a piece of plastic in a war I did and never have agreed with.

Fact is, whether my Missouri hardwoods or someone else's backyard firing range, in a hunting situation or even a two way range I'm glad to have less **** to worry about failing.

P.s. Going to the war scenarios over a semi automatic weapon that never saw that campaign is ludicrous.

Magpul mags rule, stocks suck, and it is MY opinion, which I'm entitled to, that the dust cover is an uneccessary device. Thank you.

0) The dust covers on *my* ARs are metal, not plastic. Where do you get your upper receivers?

1) Of all the failures I've heard about on ARs, the dustcover has NEVER been mentioned as a point of failure.

2) If you're on the move with your rifle slung, or even ready but not in use, a dust cover is a means to keep **** out of the BCG mechanism. It will prevent dust, rain, leaves, twigs, and even small pebbles from fouling the BCG, and has the nifty side effect of reducing the amount of cleaning you have to do between engagements. I keep mine closed when the rifles are in the safe.

3) A "going to war" scenario is getting to be a stronger and stronger likelihood in this country. I wouldn't discount it too much.

4) I happen to like the Magpul CTR stocks. They lock down good and tight (the MOE stocks are ****). As I've already said, I haven't ever had a problem with the MOE hand guard on my S&W, and the MOE pistol grip was replaced with a CAA unit.

 

[meanmrmustard]

0) The dust covers on *my* ARs are metal, not plastic. Where do you get your upper receivers?

1) Of all the failures I've heard about on ARs, the dustcover has NEVER been mentioned as a point of failure.

2) If you're on the move with your rifle slung, or even ready but not in use, a dust cover is a means to keep **** out of the BCG mechanism. It will prevent dust, rain, leaves, twigs, and even small pebbles from fouling the BCG, and has the nifty side effect of reducing the amount of cleaning you have to do between engagements. I keep mine closed when the rifles are in the
safe.

3) A "going to war" scenario is getting to be a stronger and stronger likelihood in this country. I wouldn't discount it too much.

4) I happen to like the Magpul CTR stocks. They lock down good and tight (the MOE stocks are ****). As I've already said, I
haven't ever had a problem with the MOE hand guard on my S&W, and the MOE pistol grip was replaced with a CAA unit.

The ctr is the stock I refer to. I will get you the link of a man's ctr that not only fails, but squished and nearly broke his hand in the process. Metal DC, yes you are correct, I just liken them to plastic as that is about their worth. A good point was made on another thread about quietly chambering a round with FA. But, if that also were to fail, as is possible cuz all bad things happen eventually, we'd be screwed. I get my uppers same as you do, from the getting' place. Who are we going to war with soon? Last I checked, no invasion as of late minus illegal immigrants. Border patrol can have that one

 

[Dragon88]

The ctr is the stock I refer to. I will get you the link of a man's ctr that not only fails, but squished and nearly broke his hand in the process.

You fail to mention that in the video you are referring to, the guy is slamming the buttstock on the ground. Doing this with fingers wrapped around the buffer tube is stupidity, not stock failure.

 

[magpul83]

Magpul makes a lot of good accessories. The MOE handguard is not one of them.

Interesting you mention that since that was one of my observations when at Cabelas over the weekend. The hand guard seemed a little loose on the MOE-OR. Other than than that, it looked like a decent rifle. The hand guard did seem to have a bit more play that I would prefer, but I am really kicking my feet on my first AR purchase. I agree that a thousand bucks is still a ton of cash for a rifle that would immediately need troy sights.

Any other recommendations for the best bang for the buck AR for less that $1200.00? Anyone a fan of the Ruger SR-556E?

Thank you for the input!



Justin

 

[jt185]

Interesting you mention that since that was one of my observations when at Cabelas over the weekend. The hand guard seemed a little loose on the MOE-OR. Other than than that, it looked like a decent rifle. The hand guard did seem to have a bit more play that I would prefer, but I am really kicking my feet on my first AR purchase. I agree that a thousand bucks is still a ton of cash for a rifle that would immediately need troy sights.

Any other recommendations for the best bang for the buck AR for less that $1200.00? Anyone a fan of the Ruger SR-556E?

Thank you for the input!



Justin

I could've bought 2 M&P15 Sports for $1200.00, but I bought one for $599.00 at my local gun store. It does not have FA or DC, but it is a no compromise, high quality, accurate, reliable AR out of the box. There are indeed merits to having a dust cover and forward assist.

I am one of those guys that shoots regularly at the range, and keeps the weapon, among others, for home defense. If I were using my AR in the field or for work, I would certainly opt for full features. I will not try to convince anyone that a dust cover and forward assist is not needed. In fact, if you plan to use your rifle in harsh environments, I suggest getting a model with FA and DC.

There are M&P AR models with FA and DC for less than $1200.00. Check them out on S&W website. Keep in mind their prices listed are retail, not typical selling prices.
Another forum member posted a link posted to Palmetto State Armory a while back that has several well featured ARs on their website. I've bought ammo from PMA but can not personally attest to their firearms. I expect they are decent from what I've read on the internet.

I've also seen full featured Colts advertised for less than $1200.00. Shop around and compare features.

The Ruger SSR 5.56 seems over-priced to me, but I'm no expert. Prices seem like they are relaxing a bit. It seems like a good time to buy. Let us know what you end up getting.

 

[Dragon88]

Check out this site:

G&R Tactical

Lots of options on there. Complete rifles, uppers, lowers, anything you could want. Mix and match some items and see what you like. With a budget of $1200 you can get a top of the line AR-15, you need to be focused on Colt, BCM, Noveske or Daniel Defense instead of lower quality offerings.

 

[meanmrmustard]

You fail to mention that in the video you are referring to, the guy is slamming the buttstock on the ground. Doing this with fingers wrapped around the buffer tube is stupidity, not stock failure.

Stupity, definately. Anyone who treats their weapon that way should really not own it in the first place. But, the CTR is a friction locking stock, and if the guy had sent that little vid to Magpul, I'm sure theyd be a little nervous. Sadly, I wouldnt mind owning that stock, as I have no intentions of banging it on the ground. Let me rephrase: Failure, maybe not to you, to me (after reanylizing that youtube vid) is more of a liability. If for any reason a finger or piece of clothing got caught in the stock and either deminished its locking ability or made it useless to the operator in a two way range situation...that is the POSSIBILITY of failure and therefore I see it as a liability. But, most of us who own AR's are hitting on most of the cylinders...so no stock banging.

 

[meanmrmustard]

Check out this site:

G&R Tactical

Lots of options on there. Complete rifles, uppers, lowers, anything you could want. Mix and match some items and see what you like. With a budget of $1200 you can get a top of the line AR-15, you need to be focused on Colt, BCM, Noveske or Daniel Defense instead of lower quality offerings.

Wilson Combat?

 

[jsimmons]

Stupity, definately. Anyone who treats their weapon that way should really not own it in the first place. But, the CTR is a friction locking stock, and if the guy had sent that little vid to Magpul, I'm sure theyd be a little nervous.

According to the on-video comments, he "uses inertia" to clear malfunctions. That's beyond stupid to begin with. He's clearing what is possibly a live round by banging the butt stock onto the ground. He should have just retired the weapon until it could be safely (and sensibly) cleared.

I have CTRs on both of my ARs, and I doubt that ANY plastic buttsock is going to be able to withstand repeated "inertia" tests. It sounds more like his rifle is in need of honest-to-god repair so that inertia isn't required to clear a malfunction.

 

[magpul83]

After doing some minimal digging around, it seems the Model M&P15X might be a bit more to my liking.

Will have to call around to see who has it in stock.



Justin

 

[meanmrmustard]

After doing some minimal digging around, it seems the Model M&P15X might be a bit more to my liking.

Will have to call around to see who has it in stock.



Justin

Hmmm...me too.

 

[meanmrmustard]

According to the on-video comments, he "uses inertia" to clear malfunctions. That's beyond stupid to begin with. He's clearing what is possibly a live round by banging the butt stock onto the ground. He should have just retired the weapon until it could be safely (and sensibly) cleared.

I have CTRs on both of my ARs, and I doubt that ANY plastic buttsock is going to be able to withstand repeated "inertia" tests. It sounds more like his rifle is in need of honest-to-god repair so that inertia isn't required to clear a malfunction.

Friction lock seems a great idea, as you can stop the telescoping butt at any point along the buffer tube. How his inertia idea works (or doesn't rather), is beyond me. The point is, the friction lock in terms adamantly resists movement. I don't care if it's a yahoo bangin' an AR on the ground, or something internally that malfunctions afield, the CTR moved and didn't lock. That is the point. Something that moves is not locked. Is magpul the only one who makes this type of stock?

 

[Dragon88]

Friction lock seems a great idea, as you can stop the telescoping butt at any point along the buffer tube.

You do not understand how the friction lock works. You can't stop the stock "at any point" along the buffer tube. The CTR still locks into one of the five or six positions on the tube. All that is added is a simple friction mechanism which takes away the sloppiness of the stock on the tube. It is just a piece of plastic that presses up against the tube and locks itself into place, it does not lock the stock to the tube.

Your claim that the CTR stock is somehow prone to breaking, and is a liability to Magpul, is completely wrong and based on your misunderstanding of the stock, how it works, and AR stocks in general.

As to the "Inertia" clearing method which is seen in the video. My issue is not with the technique itself. It is a valid technique in certain situations where you need to clear a round stuck in the chamber, and do not have time or means to do it in a safer manner. Done correctly, it poses to harm to anyone. Yes the stock or tube may break, but that is a risk you take, just like with many field expedient techniques. The issue here is that the guy had fingers wrapped around the buffer tube when he did this. This is an incorrect use of the technique, and when the stock collapsed it crushed his fingers. The rifle was not at fault, the technique was not at fault...he was at fault.

To meanmrmustard directly: I would urge you to ensure you have complete understanding of a topic, and valid points to make, before replying on AR related topics. I am not a moderator, I do not represent anyone on this forum besides myself, and ultimately you can do whatever you want within the forum rules. But remember that anything you post is read by others and may be taken as fact with no further research. We all make errant posts at times with good intentions, but based on a lot of your recent posts, again I would just ask that you consider your knowledge base on certain things before you post. Thank you.

 

[meanmrmustard]

You do not understand how the friction lock works. You can't stop the stock "at any point" along the buffer tube. The CTR still locks into one of the five or six positions on the tube. All that is added is a simple friction mechanism which takes away the sloppiness of the stock on the tube. It is just a piece of plastic that presses up against the tube and locks itself into place, it does not lock the stock to the tube.

Your claim that the CTR stock is somehow prone to breaking, and is a liability to Magpul, is completely wrong and based on your misunderstanding of the stock, how it works, and AR stocks in general.

As to the "Inertia" clearing method which is seen in the video. My issue is not with the technique itself. It is a valid technique
in certain situations where you need to clear a round stuck in the chamber, and do not have time or means to do it in a safer manner. Done correctly, it poses to harm to anyone. Yes the stock or tube may break, but that is a risk you take, just like with many field expedient techniques. The issue here is that the
guy had fingers wrapped around the buffer tube when he did this. This is an incorrect use of the technique, and when the stock collapsed it crushed his fingers. The rifle was not at fault, the technique was not at fault...he was at fault.


To meanmrmustard directly: I would urge you to ensure you have complete understanding of a topic, and valid points to make, before replying on AR related topics. I am not a moderator, I do not represent anyone on this forum besides
myself, and ultimately you can do whatever you want within the forum rules. But remember that anything you post is read by others and may be taken as fact with no further research. We all make errant posts at times with good intentions, but based on a lot of your recent posts, again I would just ask that you
consider your knowledge base on certain things before you post. Thank you.

I am aware of what I post and what is fact and fallacy. As you have stated before, you are not a moderator. If you feel the need to belittle anything I say, I urge you to PM with any further "advice" that you may have. I know ARs and have nothing to prove to you. Based on your posts, you put more stock in your own comments than necessary.

I apologize to OP. It is a tangled web we weave when our opinions are our undoing. Welcome to Red China.

 

[jsimmons]

Friction lock seems a great idea, as you can stop the telescoping butt at any point along the buffer tube. How his inertia idea works (or doesn't rather), is beyond me. The point is, the friction lock in terms adamantly resists movement. I don't care if it's a yahoo bangin' an AR on the ground, or something internally that malfunctions afield, the CTR moved and didn't lock. That is the point. Something that moves is not locked. Is magpul the only one who makes this type of stock?

The friction lock is only there to prevent the stock from rattling/twisting once the stock has been moved to one of the five/six stop positions on the buffer tube. It's not intended to be the primary means of locking. I seriously doubt the guy in the video wouldn't have properly placed the stock at one of the stops before locking down the friction lever, but noone of us were there (or knows the guy), so all we can do is guess.

It could have been a failure on the part of the buffer tube for all we know. Either way, he was abusing the rifle at the time, and we don't know how many times he may have done it prior to the video. That led me to my assumption that his rifle is in need of some other sort of repair to remedy the actual malfunction. He could even have been using squib loads. We just don't know, and I think it's misdirected to focus on the stock when som other aspect is actually at fault for the malfunction.

Just sayin...

 

[meanmrmustard]

The friction lock is only there to prevent the stock from rattling/twisting once the stock has been moved to one of the five/six stop positions on the buffer tube. It's not intended to be the primary means of locking. I seriously doubt the guy in the video wouldn't have properly placed the stock at one of the stops before locking down the friction lever, but noone of us were there (or knows the guy), so all we can do is guess.

It could have been a failure on the part of the buffer tube for all we know. Either way, he was abusing the rifle at the time, and we don't know how many times he may have done it prior to the video. That led me to my assumption that his rifle is in need of some other sort of repair to remedy the actual malfunction. He could even have been using squib loads. We just don't know, and I think it's misdirected to focus on the stock when som other aspect is actually at fault for the malfunction.

Just sayin...

Valid point, especially when reviewing that further. I did however hold an M&P MOE last week, and still think that there was much more play in the hand guard than Id like in my AR. I have seen it myself, and heard from others the same thing. The X variation looks pretty sweet, though. I am still a huge fan of the Sport, in all its basic goodness. Anyway, I may still be getting the CTR despite the stupidity of others, but that Magpul hand guard leaves a little to be desired for me.

 

[jsimmons]

Valid point, especially when reviewing that further. I did however hold an M&P MOE last week, and still think that there was much more play in the hand guard than Id like in my AR. I have seen it myself, and heard from others the same thing. The X variation looks pretty sweet, though. I am still a huge fan of the Sport, in all its basic goodness. Anyway, I may still be getting the CTR despite the stupidity of others, but that Magpul hand guard leaves a little to be desired for me.

Yeah, my MOE stock was loose too, and that's why both of my AR's wear a CTR. I can't say anything bad about the MOE handguard because despite having removed and reinstalled it a few times, it remains as tight and firm as it was when I first purchased the rifle (more than 3000 rounds ago). I'm not a fan of quad-rail hand guards, and even though I find no fault with the MOE unit, I've often considered changing to a floating one. However, that's more than a $200 expense for the one I want, and I'd rather spend that money on ammo.

 

[magpul83]

Alright, M&P15X is for sure the model I plan to go with. Building my own is not a task I wish to undertake at this time.

With an A2 style front post sight, would an Eotech 512 co-witness with the front post sight and rear flip up sight? If it does, great, it it does not, how can one verify which optic will match the rifles height over bore?

Thank you,



Justin

 

[Hawaiianbro40]

The M&P15 MOE is a pretty nice and pretty much the same thing furniture wise to the Colt 6920MOE though it has a vertical grip.

Either way you will change out parts so if your not sure I would say get a basic Carbine and go from there.