CABELAS M&P 15 MOE???

[magpul83]

After doing some minimal digging around, it seems the Model M&P15X might be a bit more to my liking.

Will have to call around to see who has it in stock.



Justin

 

[meanmrmustard]

After doing some minimal digging around, it seems the Model M&P15X might be a bit more to my liking.

Will have to call around to see who has it in stock.



Justin

Hmmm...me too.

 

[meanmrmustard]

According to the on-video comments, he "uses inertia" to clear malfunctions. That's beyond stupid to begin with. He's clearing what is possibly a live round by banging the butt stock onto the ground. He should have just retired the weapon until it could be safely (and sensibly) cleared.

I have CTRs on both of my ARs, and I doubt that ANY plastic buttsock is going to be able to withstand repeated "inertia" tests. It sounds more like his rifle is in need of honest-to-god repair so that inertia isn't required to clear a malfunction.

Friction lock seems a great idea, as you can stop the telescoping butt at any point along the buffer tube. How his inertia idea works (or doesn't rather), is beyond me. The point is, the friction lock in terms adamantly resists movement. I don't care if it's a yahoo bangin' an AR on the ground, or something internally that malfunctions afield, the CTR moved and didn't lock. That is the point. Something that moves is not locked. Is magpul the only one who makes this type of stock?

 

[Dragon88]

Friction lock seems a great idea, as you can stop the telescoping butt at any point along the buffer tube.

You do not understand how the friction lock works. You can't stop the stock "at any point" along the buffer tube. The CTR still locks into one of the five or six positions on the tube. All that is added is a simple friction mechanism which takes away the sloppiness of the stock on the tube. It is just a piece of plastic that presses up against the tube and locks itself into place, it does not lock the stock to the tube.

Your claim that the CTR stock is somehow prone to breaking, and is a liability to Magpul, is completely wrong and based on your misunderstanding of the stock, how it works, and AR stocks in general.

As to the "Inertia" clearing method which is seen in the video. My issue is not with the technique itself. It is a valid technique in certain situations where you need to clear a round stuck in the chamber, and do not have time or means to do it in a safer manner. Done correctly, it poses to harm to anyone. Yes the stock or tube may break, but that is a risk you take, just like with many field expedient techniques. The issue here is that the guy had fingers wrapped around the buffer tube when he did this. This is an incorrect use of the technique, and when the stock collapsed it crushed his fingers. The rifle was not at fault, the technique was not at fault...he was at fault.

To meanmrmustard directly: I would urge you to ensure you have complete understanding of a topic, and valid points to make, before replying on AR related topics. I am not a moderator, I do not represent anyone on this forum besides myself, and ultimately you can do whatever you want within the forum rules. But remember that anything you post is read by others and may be taken as fact with no further research. We all make errant posts at times with good intentions, but based on a lot of your recent posts, again I would just ask that you consider your knowledge base on certain things before you post. Thank you.

 

[meanmrmustard]

You do not understand how the friction lock works. You can't stop the stock "at any point" along the buffer tube. The CTR still locks into one of the five or six positions on the tube. All that is added is a simple friction mechanism which takes away the sloppiness of the stock on the tube. It is just a piece of plastic that presses up against the tube and locks itself into place, it does not lock the stock to the tube.

Your claim that the CTR stock is somehow prone to breaking, and is a liability to Magpul, is completely wrong and based on your misunderstanding of the stock, how it works, and AR stocks in general.

As to the "Inertia" clearing method which is seen in the video. My issue is not with the technique itself. It is a valid technique
in certain situations where you need to clear a round stuck in the chamber, and do not have time or means to do it in a safer manner. Done correctly, it poses to harm to anyone. Yes the stock or tube may break, but that is a risk you take, just like with many field expedient techniques. The issue here is that the
guy had fingers wrapped around the buffer tube when he did this. This is an incorrect use of the technique, and when the stock collapsed it crushed his fingers. The rifle was not at fault, the technique was not at fault...he was at fault.


To meanmrmustard directly: I would urge you to ensure you have complete understanding of a topic, and valid points to make, before replying on AR related topics. I am not a moderator, I do not represent anyone on this forum besides
myself, and ultimately you can do whatever you want within the forum rules. But remember that anything you post is read by others and may be taken as fact with no further research. We all make errant posts at times with good intentions, but based on a lot of your recent posts, again I would just ask that you
consider your knowledge base on certain things before you post. Thank you.

I am aware of what I post and what is fact and fallacy. As you have stated before, you are not a moderator. If you feel the need to belittle anything I say, I urge you to PM with any further "advice" that you may have. I know ARs and have nothing to prove to you. Based on your posts, you put more stock in your own comments than necessary.

I apologize to OP. It is a tangled web we weave when our opinions are our undoing. Welcome to Red China.

 

[jsimmons]

Friction lock seems a great idea, as you can stop the telescoping butt at any point along the buffer tube. How his inertia idea works (or doesn't rather), is beyond me. The point is, the friction lock in terms adamantly resists movement. I don't care if it's a yahoo bangin' an AR on the ground, or something internally that malfunctions afield, the CTR moved and didn't lock. That is the point. Something that moves is not locked. Is magpul the only one who makes this type of stock?

The friction lock is only there to prevent the stock from rattling/twisting once the stock has been moved to one of the five/six stop positions on the buffer tube. It's not intended to be the primary means of locking. I seriously doubt the guy in the video wouldn't have properly placed the stock at one of the stops before locking down the friction lever, but noone of us were there (or knows the guy), so all we can do is guess.

It could have been a failure on the part of the buffer tube for all we know. Either way, he was abusing the rifle at the time, and we don't know how many times he may have done it prior to the video. That led me to my assumption that his rifle is in need of some other sort of repair to remedy the actual malfunction. He could even have been using squib loads. We just don't know, and I think it's misdirected to focus on the stock when som other aspect is actually at fault for the malfunction.

Just sayin...

 

[meanmrmustard]

The friction lock is only there to prevent the stock from rattling/twisting once the stock has been moved to one of the five/six stop positions on the buffer tube. It's not intended to be the primary means of locking. I seriously doubt the guy in the video wouldn't have properly placed the stock at one of the stops before locking down the friction lever, but noone of us were there (or knows the guy), so all we can do is guess.

It could have been a failure on the part of the buffer tube for all we know. Either way, he was abusing the rifle at the time, and we don't know how many times he may have done it prior to the video. That led me to my assumption that his rifle is in need of some other sort of repair to remedy the actual malfunction. He could even have been using squib loads. We just don't know, and I think it's misdirected to focus on the stock when som other aspect is actually at fault for the malfunction.

Just sayin...

Valid point, especially when reviewing that further. I did however hold an M&P MOE last week, and still think that there was much more play in the hand guard than Id like in my AR. I have seen it myself, and heard from others the same thing. The X variation looks pretty sweet, though. I am still a huge fan of the Sport, in all its basic goodness. Anyway, I may still be getting the CTR despite the stupidity of others, but that Magpul hand guard leaves a little to be desired for me.

 

[jsimmons]

Valid point, especially when reviewing that further. I did however hold an M&P MOE last week, and still think that there was much more play in the hand guard than Id like in my AR. I have seen it myself, and heard from others the same thing. The X variation looks pretty sweet, though. I am still a huge fan of the Sport, in all its basic goodness. Anyway, I may still be getting the CTR despite the stupidity of others, but that Magpul hand guard leaves a little to be desired for me.

Yeah, my MOE stock was loose too, and that's why both of my AR's wear a CTR. I can't say anything bad about the MOE handguard because despite having removed and reinstalled it a few times, it remains as tight and firm as it was when I first purchased the rifle (more than 3000 rounds ago). I'm not a fan of quad-rail hand guards, and even though I find no fault with the MOE unit, I've often considered changing to a floating one. However, that's more than a $200 expense for the one I want, and I'd rather spend that money on ammo.

 

[magpul83]

Alright, M&P15X is for sure the model I plan to go with. Building my own is not a task I wish to undertake at this time.

With an A2 style front post sight, would an Eotech 512 co-witness with the front post sight and rear flip up sight? If it does, great, it it does not, how can one verify which optic will match the rifles height over bore?

Thank you,



Justin

 

[Hawaiianbro40]

The M&P15 MOE is a pretty nice and pretty much the same thing furniture wise to the Colt 6920MOE though it has a vertical grip.

Either way you will change out parts so if your not sure I would say get a basic Carbine and go from there.

 

[magpul83]

With a budget of $1200 you can get a top of the line AR-15, you need to be focused on Colt, BCM, Noveske or Daniel Defense instead of lower quality offerings.

Point very well taken, and I have heard strong recommendations for Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense, Rock River, etc... I checked Noveske, but holy **** those are bloody expensive. I know, you get what you pay for, but damn!

After 3+ months of research (and a slight increase to the AR budget), I bought a Daniel Defense M4 V1. Bought on Monday of this week and I will make it back to the FLL Thursday to pick it up. .

Will post pics if desired.



Justin

 

[oneyeopn]

JSimmons...you need to verify your information, not all M&P's have the same barrel, and I spent a lot of time in the desert and in the jungle with the old A1's there is a lot to be said for a dust cover, but unless you are in southern arizona or commiefornia living in a tent, the dust cover arguments become very moot and I hate to see little flare ups with people just showing how snobbish they can be. We have members here whose opinions I really trust and like but unless you build your own or buy a "top shelf" brand from someone else they consider the M&P's lower grade, remember milspec is something that the lowest bidder has to meet. sometimes the head butting in here just makes me throw my hands in the air and go WTH!!!!

 

[turbo2]

Point very well taken, and I have heard strong recommendations for Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense, Rock River, etc... I checked Noveske, but holy **** those are bloody expensive. I know, you get what you pay for, but damn!

After 3+ months of research (and a slight increase to the AR budget), I bought a Daniel Defense M4 V1. Bought on Monday of this week and I will make it back to the FLL Thursday to pick it up. .

Will post pics if desired.



Justin

Definately post pics when you pic it up. Just got my first AR(15 Sport) a couple weeks ago,also live in Illinois,can't wait to go shooting. Have fun!!!

 

[crracer_712]

JSimmons...you need to verify your information, not all M&P's have the same barrel, and I spent a lot of time in the desert and in the jungle with the old A1's there is a lot to be said for a dust cover, but unless you are in southern arizona or commiefornia living in a tent, the dust cover arguments become very moot and I hate to see little flare ups with people just showing how snobbish they can be. We have members here whose opinions I really trust and like but unless you build your own or buy a "top shelf" brand from someone else they consider the M&P's lower grade, remember milspec is something that the lowest bidder has to meet. sometimes the head butting in here just makes me throw my hands in the air and go WTH!!!!

Yep, gotta love it. Even Colt says the 6290 is based off their famed M4, it doesn't say it IS, but rather based off of. Then there are new up start companies that build tighter tolerances then Colt (Core 15 comes to mind), but those aren't any good either, cuz they ain't been around long enough..... etc.

I saw someone in this thread say well what you got here is a OR with no sights... Well Duh, it's Optics ready... That Cabela's 'Moe' (I know, old post) is a good deal. It's OR price with a 100 bucks of magpul stuff on it. I've got that same hand guard on my 15A and I read people say they are no good, loose, etc. Maybe a moron mounted it, mine's tight as hell.

Spikes is starting to get a good rep. Why? They haven't been in a war that I'm aware of. Of course, neither have I. They've been around exactly 10 years. Core 15's been around maybe 3 or 4 year, they're junk. Why? Heck, for the price you can get a Colt, at WalMart no less... Are people supposed to come out with a new AR and price it at 500 bucks just to make it right cuz until it's been around the world and back a thousand times, it ain't ****. It certainly ain't worth what an AR that Law Enforcement uses (6290LE) and available at participating Walmarts here and there.

 

[xICEMANx]

I think that's a great deal personally. I have an OR model and it had you basic furniture. I've added a CTR stock. MOE+ grip, and some MBUS. Mine has a quad rail so I was able to mount the MBUS on to the rail.

 

[jsimmons]

JSimmons...you need to verify your information, not all M&P's have the same barrel, and I spent a lot of time in the desert and in the jungle with the old A1's there is a lot to be said for a dust cover, but unless you are in southern arizona or commiefornia living in a tent, the dust cover arguments become very moot and I hate to see little flare ups with people just showing how snobbish they can be. We have members here whose opinions I really trust and like but unless you build your own or buy a "top shelf" brand from someone else they consider the M&P's lower grade, remember milspec is something that the lowest bidder has to meet. sometimes the head butting in here just makes me throw my hands in the air and go WTH!!!!

Well, it just so happens that I did build my own - after having bought, but before I started modifying my M&P - it's the first rifle on the page:

My Rifles

I don't happen to be in the group that considers a M&P to be a lower-tier gun. It shoots straight, and has digested every type of round I've tried in it. However, I want it to be more like my franken-rifle, so I've been steadily replacing parts. The only thing still original on the gun are the receiver bodies and the barrel and handguard, and the barrel/handguard will be replaced sometime later this year. I suppose by the strictest definition, I can't really call it a S&W any more.

Finally, if someone doesn't see a need for a FA or dustcover, who am I to say he's wrong? I merely presented my reasons for thinking they're a good thing to have.

In cloising, I'd like to point out that I'm not a firearms expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[MPDC]

FYI, Magpul has (it seems) made some quality changes to the Carbine, MOE stock. Early ones had some issues, loose fit and heat guard separation amoung them, moron installers notwithstanding.

 

[crracer_712]

FYI, Magpul has (it seems) made some quality changes to the Carbine, MOE stock. Early ones had some issues, loose fit and heat guard separation amoung them, moron installers notwithstanding.

LMAO!!!!!!

 

[oneyeopn]

inertia clearing video

many times in this thread where people are getting very antagonistic they talk about a video where some person who evidently swims at the shallow end of the gene pool slams his buttstock down and hurts himself, could someone please post a link to this video so I can see what everyone is talking about.
Thank You Very Much

 

[magpul83]

DD M4V1

Upgrades:

- DD QD Swivel
- More rail ladders (only came with three, needed more to cover all exposed rail)
- Hogue grip
- Magpul AFG1
- Magpul MS3 Sling
- Streamlight TLR1-S



Justin

 

[crracer_712]

many times in this thread where people are getting very antagonistic they talk about a video where some person who evidently swims at the shallow end of the gene pool slams his buttstock down and hurts himself, could someone please post a link to this video so I can see what everyone is talking about.
Thank You Very Much

oh oh oh!!! I saw that video, if it was the one I am thinking about. Way cool too! Done intentionally, and blew out the side of the rifle. Oh wait, I'm thinking about the video where the AR15 is submerged and fired.... ok, I got it.

 

[oneyeopn]

oh oh oh!!! I saw that video, if it was the one I am thinking about. Way cool too! Done intentionally, and blew out the side of the rifle. Oh wait, I'm thinking about the video where the AR15 is submerged and fired.... ok, I got it.

shallow end of the gene pool isl a nice way of saying mentally challenged, there was some video where some guy slams the buttstock or something to clear a jam or something and it evidently goes off. I was just wondering, I hate to miss out

 

[Breechloader]

Oh nm this thread is from last year.

 

[hogridenfool]

I just bought my M&P15or-moe from Cabela's in Hammond about a month ago,yeah after taxes $1060.00 out the door with no optic's, but one of my friends who has a Bushmaster I want to say for about the $775 to $800 range Im not tooo sure,but he spent a few hundred having the gas block sight switced to the same gas block thats on the M&P15or because he wanted folding sights,by the time he was done he had $600.00 or a little more in to it, all together $1380.00 or $1400.00.
I put the Troy flip up sights $189.00 on the Magpul angled fore grip $35.00 the Troy swivel push button $16.00 and a Troy VTAC sling $42.00.
the way I see it it's like a car or a motorcycle you put what you like on it no matter what it cost!!to make it comfortable (the way YOU want it)no I'm not a hunter or a professional shooter,I just go for the sport of shooting,I just happned to goto the range with a friend one weekend during the summer who owns the Bushmaster and he was telling me about what he ordered from Bud's,about 3 weeks later he showed up with it,after I shot it I really liked it!!
I looked at a few other rifles but I wanted to get something like he has,so the M&P15or was what I wanted.
after I put my personal options on it it has been a real blast to shoot.