Camp Grant Massacre

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In any discussion of historical events among the Native American population of the Southwest, it is necessary to note the cultural complexities of the people as this is a significant aspect of understanding their behavior.

Anthropologist have divided the peoples known as Apaches into five major groups (tribes) mainly along geographical grounds but also on cultural commonality and/or differences. Among the Apaches, the family was the significant unit, every day life evolved around feeding, clothing and protecting the family. The next significant group was the clan, or extended family based on marriage or survival dependencies. Next was the tribe, made up of numerous clans which related to each other socially within a given geographical area.

In the desert region in which the Apache lived, the environment determined the size of the population the region would support. In the desert this is a fragile relationship requiring great survival skill and expertise passed down thru generations. Migration within the region was necessary in order not to deplete the natural resources which supported life.

The Apaches were hunter/gatherers but also a warrior society. Unlike the other peoples of the region, they were not primarily farmers. They did however depend to some extent on agriculture in that they stole from those that did farm. Slavery was also a significant part of their culture. Due to the high rate of childhood fatality, Apaches added to their numbers thru warfare and enslavement. Slaves were also a trade commodity. Other Indians (frequently Navajos) were stolen in the north and traded in Mexico. Mexicans in the south were stolen and traded in the north.

Among the Apache, there was no government, no courts, no constitution; family and clans operated pretty much independently. Often there were feuds and wars between groups of the same culture.

In the 1840's there arose a figure that was the greatest leader and organizer of all time among the Apache. Mangas Colorados (spelled any number of ways) was a physically impressive individual, tall and muscular ( no known photo exist) who possessed the leadership skills to unite all the various factions among the Apache into one entity ( or as close as possible without a government). As part of his campaign to unite the tribes, he encouraged marriage between groups. He had one of his daughters marry Cochise, a leader of the Chiricahua of the SE Arizona- Northern Mexico area.

Cochise was to become the greatest warrior chief of his day. He was also a diplomat that tried to co-exist with the new Anglo settlers. However he and his people had no love for Mexicans, their lifelong enemy.

In 1861 at a Butterfield Stage Stop in the Dragoon Mountains in SE Arizona an event took place which ignited twenty-five years of warfare and slaughter.

George Bascom, a gold-bar shavetail 2nd Lt. with a whopping 4 months service, along with 54 troopers camped at the stage stop. Bascom was assigned to investigate a cattle theft and kidnapping that had taken place near Tucson. Bascom invited Cochise to meet with him. Cochise brought a number of his family members with him to the meeting. While gathered in the tent, Bascom had the tent surrounded. Bascom commenced to question Cochise about the raid. Cochise explained that although he knew nothing of the raid, he would use his influence to try and return the kidnapped boy. Bascom overacted and informed Cochise that he, his wife and children, brother and nephews would be held hostage until the boy was returned and the cattle paid for.

Cochise drew a knife, slashed the tent and escaped under a fusillade of gunfire. Under a flag of truce the following day, Cochise met with Lt. Bascom and reaffirmed that he knew nothing of the raid but would do everything in his power to retrieve the kidnapped boy. The meeting degenerated into a shouting match, nervous troopers opened fire and Cochise again escaped. Cochise and his band conducted a number of raids and captured many Anglo settlers in retaliation. Cochise hoped to trade his hostages for his family.

Lt. Bascom refused to deal. Cochise fearing his family lost, killed his captives. Bascom in return hanged Cochise's brother and his two nephews. From then until 1865, Cochise and his warriors attacked and killed every white settler that they encountered. When he saw the number of Bluecoats fading over the years, Cochise thought he was winning the war. Little did he know the Civil War in the East was drawing off the troops.

Satisfied with his revenge, Cochise moved back to his tribal area in the Sierra Madres of Mexico. In 1868, Cochise and his people returned to the SE Arizona homeland. They were not welcome. The settlers of Arizona formed vigilante groups and paid mercenaries to hunt down and slaughter Apaches.

On April 30, 1871, more than 100 Tucson vigilantes murdered and mutilated 8 men and 110 women and children in an attack on the wrong people. The sleeping Pinai and Aravaipa Apaches were slaughtered at what became known as the Camp Grant Massacre.

U.S. Grant, then president of the US was outraged over the atrocity and threatened to declare martial law if the perpetrators were not brought to justice. Over a hundred men were brought to trial in Tucson, they were all acquitted.

Cochise died in 1874 and according to his wishes his gravesite was kept secret.
 
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I watched the TV series about Cochise and an Indian agent who dealt with him. What's the truth about that? Does anyone recall that show and the name? It was on in the late 1950's or early '60's. I think the Anglo star may have been John Lupton. Not sure. "Broken Arrow"? I think Cochise may have been played by Michael Ansara, who was not Apache. Maybe a Turk?

Did Cochise ever make peace with the US? I think we never did sign a peace treaty with the Seminole.

Was any Indian star on TV ever of the tribe portrayed? The guy who played Tonto was a Canadian Cree or Mohawk. Don't know what tribe he was supposed to be from.
 
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The Indian agent in real life was Thomas Jeffords. Cochise agreed to sign a peace treaty and stay on the reservation only if Jeffords would remain as the Indian agent. He didn't trust anyone else. Most Indian agents of the time were political appointees who were out to fill their own pockets.
 
When you are racing across I-10 in SE AZ, take some time to visit Cochise's Stronghold. It's South of 10 East of Wilcox in the NE side of the Dragoon Mountains. It is an absolutely beautiful place! Easy to see why he liked it there.
And Cochise who burial place is not known to outsiders may be buried there. The body of the Apache Chief Cochise was never found after his death. Many theories abound as to where his body is.
One of the theories, and probably the best one, is that when he died, his warriors buried his body in this valley between Tombstone and his beloved Stronghold. After burying him, the warriors then stampeded hundreds of horses back and forth over his grave, so that when they stopped, it was impossible even for the warriors to know where they had buried him. To this day, no one has ever found Cochise's remains.
You should also swing by Fort Bowie. There are stories that after Cochise made peace with us Americans , he still raided into Mexico. As already mentioned, he did not like them.
Who is the only Indian leader to have a county named after him in Arizona?
 
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Geronimo was the last Apache war chief to surrender. IIRC his wife is buried at the Nat'l Cemetery at Pensacola Naval Air Station. Geronimo was imprisoned nearby at Ft. Pickens before being shipped to Okla. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, won't be the first time.
 
Another fine piece, Master Chief.

Unfortunately the acquittal of the defendants in the Camp Grant case probably was a predictable travesty. Killing Indians, even innocent women and children, didn't count in the minds of many whites at the time.

I believe I remember that Tonto was supposed to be a Comanche, but I wouldn't bet the old homestead on that.
 
Another fine piece, Master Chief.

Unfortunately the acquittal of the defendants in the Camp Grant case probably was a predictable travesty. Killing Indians, even innocent women and children, didn't count in the minds of many whites at the time.

I believe I remember that Tonto was supposed to be a Comanche, but I wouldn't bet the old homestead on that.
Tonto was Apache. Jay Silverheels (Harold J. Smith) was the son of a Mohawk Chief.
 
I watched the TV series about Cochise and an Indian agent who dealt with him. What's the truth about that? Does anyone recall that show and the name? It was on in the late 1950's or early '60's. I think the Anglo star may have been John Lupton. Not sure. "Broken Arrow"? I think Cochise may have been played by Michael Ansara, who was not Apache. Maybe a Turk?

Did Cochise ever make peace with the US? I think we never did sign a peace treaty with the Seminole.

Was any Indian star on TV ever of the tribe portrayed? The guy who played Tonto was a Canadian Cree. Don't know what tribe he was supposed to be from.

TS,
Are you talking about the 1950 film starring James Stewart , Debra Pageant and Jeff Chandler? That is one of my favorite old cowboy movies!
Dick
 
No Indian problem in East Texas after middle of the 19th century. The second president of the Republic of Texas exterminated every native American he and the army could find. Several eastern Texas and coastal tribes ceased to exist altogether. In the Spanish era, one early tribe did not want a Spanish mission in their area so they told the Spaniards to build their mission nearby in what proved to be Comanche country. When the Comanche followed the buffalo south in the winter, the mission was immediately wiped out and never resettled.
 
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No Indian problem in East Texas after middle of the 19th century. The second president of the Republic of Texas exterminated every native American he and the army could find. Several eastern Texas and coastal tribes ceased to exist altogether. In the Spanish era, one early tribe did not want a Spanish mission in their area so they told the Spaniards to build their mission nearby in what proved to be Comanche country. When the Comanche followed the buffalo south in the winter, the mission was immediately wiped out and never resettled.

And some Texas tribes, like the Karankawa, were cannibals.
 
TS,
Are you talking about the 1950 film starring James Stewart , Debra Pageant and Jeff Chandler? That is one of my favorite old cowboy movies!
Dick

Nope, but I think it was about the same situation. The movie may even have had the name first. I said it was a TV series and named who I think the actors were. I believe the movie actress was Debra Paget, nor Pageant. Going by memory of stars of that day...

Here it is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048848/ Ran on ABC from 1956-1960. I watched it faithfully as a kid. I think Michael Ansara was maybe Turkish. I'd have to look him up. He was surely not Apache. And Tonto didn't dress like an Apache, either. But Hollywood probably didn't know the difference.

BTW, Jay Silverheels played an Aztec, too, in a fine movie called, "Captain From Castile", made about 1947-48. The main stars were Tyrone Power, Jean Simmons, and Caesar Romero. The latter played Cortes.
You ought to try to find a copy on DVD. The woman who played Dona Marina/One Reed/Mallinali and the ambassadors from Montezuma spoke authentic Nahautl. It's the only time I've heard it.

The best background reading for that is, "The Conquest of Mexico", by Bernal Diaz del Castillo. In print since the 1500's, it is the only account ever written by one of the soldiers with Cortes. Your library may have it.
 
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The disregardful for the natives and the lumping into one size fits all was a travesty that has continued to bite us in the rear to this day. Unfortunately many haven't learned much from the past and continue to alienate other life styles. While some groups have base reasons that cause them to never be able to cooperate at some level with the rest of society, often because of similarity to such a group, others are often treated poorly. Looking at the world today, I don't think all that much has changed.
 
I watched the TV series about Cochise and an Indian agent who dealt with him. What's the truth about that? Does anyone recall that show and the name? It was on in the late 1950's or early '60's. I think the Anglo star may have been John Lupton. Not sure. "Broken Arrow"? I think Cochise may have been played by Michael Ansara, who was not Apache. Maybe a Turk?

Did Cochise ever make peace with the US? I think we never did sign a peace treaty with the Seminole.

Was any Indian star on TV ever of the tribe portrayed? The guy who played Tonto was a Canadian Cree. Don't know what tribe he was supposed to be from.

Ansara was Syrian and alsomarried to a relation of mine by th name of barbara Eden. Their son died long ago--he passed away about a year ago.
 
Ansara was Syrian and also married to a relation of mine by th name of barbara Eden. Their son died long ago--he passed away about a year ago.

Actually, I've met Barbara Eden! Back when she was playing Jeannie the slave genie, we were both at Channel 8 (ABC) in Dallas one day and I got her autograph.

She was very cordial; seemed quite nice.

I also talked extensively in a restaurant one night with actress Morgan Fairchild. I think she may be retired now, but was once pretty hot on several TV series, like, "Falcon Crest" and , "Flamingo Road."

My mother taught Morgan as an 11th grade Honors English student at Lake Highlands High School in the Richardson school district. She is among the few in Hollywood interested in Paleontology, and we discussed fossils in the Dallas area Mesozoic (Cretaceous) sea beds. Her sister was with her and Morgan mentioned that Cathy had just given her a fossil snail (ammonite) for Christmas. Astrologically, she is an Aquarius with a Moon in Leo. I think the Aquarian mind accounts for her cerebral interests and the Leo Moon sustains her ego as an actress. She is interested in astrology, as was her late mother, I believe. Her mother and mine taught in the same school system, but not in the same schools.
 
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A very good movie about the Apache is "Geronimo, an American Legend". I've seen it several times and never get tired of it. I used to live in Cochise County and heard many stories from old timers who's families were living there during the Apache wars. If you ever get a chance to explore that part of AZ it is a fascinating and beautiful place. Highly recommended.
 
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