can a 15-22 hang with a 10/22 out of the box?

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So I was at the range and the rangemaster and I were talking. Long story short, he made it sound like a "given" that a 10/22 would be more accurate than a 15-22.

I don't necessarily disagree but I don't think it's a no-brainer.

What do you guys think...

Out of the box, a 10/22 outperforms a 15-22 in accuracy? Yay or nay.

If not, what needs to be done to a 15-22 to 'hang' with a 10/22?

We don't get as many 15-22 specific aftermarket parts like barrels but we can drop in triggers and such. What could be modified on a 15-22 to increase accuracy?
 
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depends on the model 10/22 but i would say they are equal for the most part
 
For what it's worth... American Rifleman did a comparison of all the black rifle .22s in their Dec 2010 issue. The Ruger outperformed the 15-22 in accuracy.

Ruger: Smallest group .62in. Largest 1.27in. Average .95in

15-22: Smallest group 1.08in. Largest 2.10in. Average 1.75in.
 
For what it's worth... American Rifleman did a comparison of all the black rifle .22s in their Dec 2010 issue. The Ruger outperformed the 15-22 in accuracy.

Ruger: Smallest group .62in. Largest 1.27in. Average .95in

15-22: Smallest group 1.08in. Largest 2.10in. Average 1.75in.

Lol....buzz kill
 
Whether the 10/22 is more accurate than a 15-22 is irrelevant. I don't think the 10/22 compares in the category of sheer pleasure. In the "fun" category, I don't think any other .22 rifle can compete with the 15-22.
 
Surely you can find something better to do with your 15-22 than shoot groups and worry about the size. Why is everyone so interested in "group size" anyway, and why would you attempt to modify a 15-22 to turn it into a target rifle?
 
meh - i get the apples to oranges but...

both 10 round (at least in Cali) 22lr semi-autos, economical entry cost, decent aftermarket options...

they have a lot in common - more in common than not I would say.
 
meh - i get the apples to oranges but...

both 10 round (at least in Cali) 22lr semi-autos, economical entry cost, decent aftermarket options...

they have a lot in common - more in common than not I would say.

Only, you rock and roll with one and you sit and study with the other...
 
Just thought I'd throw this out there. The weekend that I purchased my 15-22, I spoke to a gunsmith about doing a buildup on a 10-22. He told me that if I bought a 10-22 from Wal-Mart, he would not touch it. He said that Wal-Mart guns are all bulk builds to less than industry standards and that things such a head space were no where to spec and that the guns were junk. He said the accuracy is sub standard and just absolutely worthless firearms. He said I needed a 10-22 from a true gun store, not a big box store such as Wal-Mart, Academy, Cabellas, Etc. I wonder if this is true and I wonder if S&W would lower their standards to supply Wal-Mart with 15-22's? I figure that this gunsmith was full of it IMHO.
 
I'd have to say, depending on what kind of accuracy you are looking for, for bullseye the Ruger has an edge. But for Combat the M&P has the edge. I guess you have to define the course outline first to see which one will have the advantage. As a range master since 1996, I have trained my guys for combat tactical situations, thus why I'm getting this M&P for training aid and also since I retired I don't get the free 5.56 ammo that I use to.. So now its coming out of pocket..
 
I am not a professional shooter by any means, but this is just my humble opinion on marskmanship and the two weapons in question. I did shoot competetively in NRA .22 contests in my teens using a Browning T-Bolt .22 and did quite well, winning many competitions and acquiring an impressive collection of trophies and awards and I also consistantly qualified as an expert marksman with the M16-A2 in the military and consider myself to be a "pretty good shot" for what it's worth.

I currently own the S&W 15-22 that I converted to a M4 / CAR style with open sights and have not used a scope on it as of yet. I have owned both the Ruger 10/22 Carbine and the Ruger 10/22 Sporter model with the walnut stock (the walnut Sporter stock is a little bit longer than the carbine stock and I believe adds a slight amount of accuracy, but that is proably just in my head because I just think the walnut sporter stock is nicer looking, lol). Other than changing the handguard on the 15-22 and adding a scope on the 10/22, both were "out of the box" with no other performance enhancements.

I have used both open sights and a $200 Nikon ProStaff 3-9x40 on the 10/22 and found for my purposes (casual target shooting and plinking cans and the odd potato or two) the 10/22 to be quite accurate. I could consistantly hit what I guess would be the size of a quarter (which I am happy with as a shot group) at around 50 feet with open sights and around 100-150 feet with the aforementioned scope.

With the 15-22 using open sights I seem to be able to hit the same quarter sized area at around 50 feet or so with what I consider the same shot consistency. By that I mean that I seem to get about the same amount of "strays" out of that quarter sized area, which I attribute to shooter error. I have not tried using a scope on the 15-22 yet, but I would assume that the accuracy would be about the same at the 100-150 feet range with the scope.

Now to be more specific about the last two paragraphs. Those quarter size shot groups were from the sitting position at a bench using a sandbag front rest to stabalize the weapon during sighting in at the outdoor range. That's the only time I use paper targets and actually gauge my shot groups for accuracy and size. After I get the weapon zeroed in, I usually don't go to the range. Living in Arizona we have lots of open desert which to go shooting in. We usually bring biodegradable clays, tin cans (yes, we police up after ourselves), or bags of potatoes which provide plenty of fun targets to shoot at. Also, I'd be plenty happy with either one for small game or varmint shooting if I was so inclined.

I sold my Ruger 10/22 Sporter after I bought the S&W 15-22 mainly because the 15-22 to me was just as accurate, easier to field strip and clean, has way more customizing possibilities and is just more of an all around "fun gun". I do like accuracy and even before I bought the 15-22 I planned on selling the 10/22 for a more accurate bolt action. I was planning on either another Ruger but was leaning more heavily towards the Browning.

So I guess the point of all my rambling, is..... 1.) Yes, out of the box the 15-22 can hang with the 10/22, and honestly, to me, the difference between the 10/22 and the 15-22 for the average shooter (me included) is negligible unless you have the thing clamped down in a bench vise and are splitting hairs..... so..... 2.) Pick the one you like best, considering its form and functionality for your purpose..... and..... 3.) If you want a really really accurate weapon, the best option IMO is bolt action all the way.

Hope that helped and after reading all I wrote, it appears I have way too much time on my hands, lol.
 
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No question that the 15-22 can hang with the 10-22. I used both at a recent Appleseed event and got similar Rifleman qualifying scores with each using the same CCI SV ammo.

I've made some modifications to each, so it's not quite an out-of-the-box comparison:

15-22 Mods: Geiselle SSA trigger. ACOG sight. Removed endcap. Tightened barrel nut super tight with Shoo-rench prior to event.
10-22 Mods: Kidd trigger. VQ barrel. Leupold rimfire scope. Bubba'd cheek rest on stock for better sight alignment.

If I were shooting from a rest, I'd probably choose the 10-22 for marginally better accuracy. The 15-22 is perfect for Appleseed where "ease of use" (magazine changes, bolt lock/release, adjustable stock position, pistol grip etc) becomes equally important as accuracy given the time limits of each stage. The 15-22 is easier to clean.

My recommendation is to get both and continuously tinker with each them!
 
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No question that the 15-22 can hang with the 10-22. I used both at a recent Appleseed event and got similar Rifleman qualifying scores with each using the same CCI SV ammo.

I've made some modifications to each, so it's not quite an out-of-the-box comparison:

15-22 Mods: Geiselle SSA trigger. ACOG sight. Removed endcap. Tightened barrel nut super tight with Shoo-rench prior to event.
10-22 Mods: Kidd trigger. VQ barrel. Leupold rimfire scope. Bubba'd cheek rest on stock for better sight alignment.

If I were shooting from a rest, I'd probably choose the 10-22 for marginally better accuracy. The 15-22 is perfect for Appleseed where "ease of use" (magazine changes, bolt lock/release, adjustable stock position, pistol grip etc) becomes equally important as accuracy given the time limits of each stage. The 15-22 is easier to clean.

My recommendation is to get both and continuously tinker with each them!

so does removing the end-cap really give the barrel a 'free-floating' status like a free-float conversion would?
 
so does removing the end-cap really give the barrel a 'free-floating' status like a free-float conversion would?

Not sure.. a few months ago, I noticed that my 15-22 would give unpredictable groups when shooting off a rest or using a sling. I figured something was going on with the barrel, so I ditched the endcap and tightened the barrel nut with a wrench.

Now it shoots great, but I'm not sure which solution worked.
 
I would say yes it can. I have a savage 10-22 and I can hold same groups with both. But then again I really think that it comes down to the nut behind the trigger. The shooter will always be the biggest variable.
 
The guy putting down the guns sold by Wal-Mart, Cabalas, etc. is
either 1) ignorant or 2) a lier. Nuf said, case closed!
 

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